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R***@watershipdown.co.uk
2021-10-25 14:08:23 UTC
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Paid a visit to battersea. Quite surprised how noisy the new part of the
northern line is. Perhaps its the concrete everywhere and nothing to absord
the sound. Also the lack of any significant overruns at the platforms was
unexpected. Do they really trust the ATO that much? Other than that it was
standard 21st century LU minus the platform doors (I guess no one wants to
commit suicide in that part of the world).
R***@watershipdown.co.uk
2021-10-25 14:41:20 UTC
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Paid a visit to battersea. Quite surprised how noisy the new part of the
northern line is. Perhaps its the concrete everywhere and nothing to absord
the sound. Also the lack of any significant overruns at the platforms was
unexpected. Do they really trust the ATO that much? Other than that it was
standard 21st century LU minus the platform doors (I guess no one wants to
commit suicide in that part of the world).
New concrete Tube tunnels always seem to be very noisy, not sure why. The
Heathrow T5 ones are even worse.
There haven't been any new LU PEDs in the 21st century.
TfL then. Anyway, when it suits them they make a big deal about installing
PEDs for safety, then when its suits them not to they don't bother and
presumably hope no one notices.
Recliner
2021-10-25 14:47:49 UTC
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Paid a visit to battersea. Quite surprised how noisy the new part of the
northern line is. Perhaps its the concrete everywhere and nothing to absord
the sound. Also the lack of any significant overruns at the platforms was
unexpected. Do they really trust the ATO that much? Other than that it was
standard 21st century LU minus the platform doors (I guess no one wants to
commit suicide in that part of the world).
New concrete Tube tunnels always seem to be very noisy, not sure why. The
Heathrow T5 ones are even worse.
There haven't been any new LU PEDs in the 21st century.
TfL then.
None in use yet in the 21st century.
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Anyway, when it suits them they make a big deal about installing
PEDs for safety,
No, they're claimed to be about ventilation. That's why they're only fitted
underground, even on the JLE and XR .
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then when its suits them not to they don't bother and
presumably hope no one notices.
The NLE has passive provision for them, but they can't be fitted with the
current generation of trains.
R***@watershipdown.co.uk
2021-10-25 16:20:05 UTC
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Paid a visit to battersea. Quite surprised how noisy the new part of the
northern line is. Perhaps its the concrete everywhere and nothing to absord
the sound. Also the lack of any significant overruns at the platforms was
unexpected. Do they really trust the ATO that much? Other than that it was
standard 21st century LU minus the platform doors (I guess no one wants to
commit suicide in that part of the world).
New concrete Tube tunnels always seem to be very noisy, not sure why. The
Heathrow T5 ones are even worse.
There haven't been any new LU PEDs in the 21st century.
TfL then.
None in use yet in the 21st century.
I presume you've heard of crossrail.
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Post by R***@watershipdown.co.uk
Anyway, when it suits them they make a big deal about installing
PEDs for safety,
No, they're claimed to be about ventilation. That's why they're only fitted
underground, even on the JLE and XR .
Except their fecking useless for ventilation. There is no breeze on the
platforms thanks to them which get very hot in the summer even despite the
higher ceilings except at canary wharf which is so huge it doesn't matter. Its
like saying the pit is there to catch rain water.
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then when its suits them not to they don't bother and
presumably hope no one notices.
The NLE has passive provision for them, but they can't be fitted with the
current generation of trains.
You mean the 95 stock that is very similar to the 96 stock on the Jubilee? I'm
sure they could find a way if they tried.
Anna Noyd-Dryver
2021-10-26 00:02:14 UTC
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Paid a visit to battersea. Quite surprised how noisy the new part of the
northern line is. Perhaps its the concrete everywhere and nothing to absord
the sound. Also the lack of any significant overruns at the platforms was
unexpected. Do they really trust the ATO that much? Other than that it was
standard 21st century LU minus the platform doors (I guess no one wants to
commit suicide in that part of the world).
New concrete Tube tunnels always seem to be very noisy, not sure why. The
Heathrow T5 ones are even worse.
There haven't been any new LU PEDs in the 21st century.
TfL then.
None in use yet in the 21st century.
I presume you've heard of crossrail.
Didn't realise it was open yet ;)
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Anyway, when it suits them they make a big deal about installing
PEDs for safety,
No, they're claimed to be about ventilation. That's why they're only fitted
underground, even on the JLE and XR .
Except their fecking useless for ventilation. There is no breeze on the
platforms thanks to them which get very hot in the summer even despite the
higher ceilings except at canary wharf which is so huge it doesn't matter. Its
like saying the pit is there to catch rain water.
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Post by R***@watershipdown.co.uk
then when its suits them not to they don't bother and
presumably hope no one notices.
The NLE has passive provision for them, but they can't be fitted with the
current generation of trains.
You mean the 95 stock that is very similar to the 96 stock on the Jubilee? I'm
sure they could find a way if they tried.
Similar in external appearance only, AIUI.

"The 1996 Stock has an identical exterior car body to the 1995 Stock, but
the two rolling stocks have different interiors, seating layouts and cabs,
traction packages and train management systems" also different traction
motors and bogies.


Anna Noyd-Dryver
R***@watershipdown.co.uk
2021-10-26 08:26:02 UTC
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You mean the 95 stock that is very similar to the 96 stock on the Jubilee?
I'm
Post by R***@watershipdown.co.uk
sure they could find a way if they tried.
Similar in external appearance only, AIUI.
"The 1996 Stock has an identical exterior car body to the 1995 Stock, but
the two rolling stocks have different interiors, seating layouts and cabs,
traction packages and train management systems" also different traction
motors and bogies.
Given LU managed to install electronic information systems into tired old
stocks such as the 73, D stock and C stock I doubt it would be beyond the wit
of man to install PED door opening system to the 95 stock. Unless you or
Grandad Recliner can think of some compelling reason why not.
Recliner
2021-10-26 08:35:33 UTC
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Post by R***@watershipdown.co.uk
You mean the 95 stock that is very similar to the 96 stock on the Jubilee?
I'm
Post by R***@watershipdown.co.uk
sure they could find a way if they tried.
Similar in external appearance only, AIUI.
"The 1996 Stock has an identical exterior car body to the 1995 Stock, but
the two rolling stocks have different interiors, seating layouts and cabs,
traction packages and train management systems" also different traction
motors and bogies.
Given LU managed to install electronic information systems into tired old
stocks such as the 73, D stock and C stock I doubt it would be beyond the wit
of man to install PED door opening system to the 95 stock. Unless you or
Grandad Recliner can think of some compelling reason why not.
Nobody said it was impossible, just that TfL isn't addicted to wasting
money it doesn't have like you are, Neil.
R***@watershipdown.co.uk
2021-10-26 09:07:17 UTC
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Post by Anna Noyd-Dryver
Post by R***@watershipdown.co.uk
You mean the 95 stock that is very similar to the 96 stock on the Jubilee?
I'm
Post by R***@watershipdown.co.uk
sure they could find a way if they tried.
Similar in external appearance only, AIUI.
"The 1996 Stock has an identical exterior car body to the 1995 Stock, but
the two rolling stocks have different interiors, seating layouts and cabs,
traction packages and train management systems" also different traction
motors and bogies.
Given LU managed to install electronic information systems into tired old
stocks such as the 73, D stock and C stock I doubt it would be beyond the wit
of man to install PED door opening system to the 95 stock. Unless you or
Grandad Recliner can think of some compelling reason why not.
Nobody said it was impossible, just that TfL isn't addicted to wasting
money it doesn't have like you are, Neil.
LOL , yeah right, TfL never wastes money! That'll be why it installed all
the PEDs on the JLE in the first place, because they're so useful. That'll be
why they've installed video ad displays in god knows how many central stations.
(There must be 50 large monitors alongside the main TCR escalator alone!)
That'll be why they keep upgrading perfectly working ticket machines for newer
versions that don't do anything new. That'll be why they've spent money on
fag flag versions of the roundal recently to "promote" buggery etc.
Graeme Wall
2021-10-26 20:26:12 UTC
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Post by Anna Noyd-Dryver
Post by R***@watershipdown.co.uk
You mean the 95 stock that is very similar to the 96 stock on the Jubilee?
I'm
Post by R***@watershipdown.co.uk
sure they could find a way if they tried.
Similar in external appearance only, AIUI.
"The 1996 Stock has an identical exterior car body to the 1995 Stock, but
the two rolling stocks have different interiors, seating layouts and cabs,
traction packages and train management systems" also different traction
motors and bogies.
Given LU managed to install electronic information systems into tired old
stocks such as the 73, D stock and C stock I doubt it would be beyond the wit
of man to install PED door opening system to the 95 stock. Unless you or
Grandad Recliner can think of some compelling reason why not.
Nobody said it was impossible, just that TfL isn't addicted to wasting
money it doesn't have like you are, Neil.
LOL , yeah right, TfL never wastes money! That'll be why it installed all
the PEDs on the JLE in the first place, because they're so useful. That'll be
why they've installed video ad displays in god knows how many central stations.
(There must be 50 large monitors alongside the main TCR escalator alone!)
That makes loads of money.
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R***@watershipdown.co.uk
2021-10-27 07:52:35 UTC
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You mean the 95 stock that is very similar to the 96 stock on the
Jubilee?
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I'm
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sure they could find a way if they tried.
Similar in external appearance only, AIUI.
"The 1996 Stock has an identical exterior car body to the 1995 Stock, but
the two rolling stocks have different interiors, seating layouts and cabs,
traction packages and train management systems" also different traction
motors and bogies.
Given LU managed to install electronic information systems into tired old
stocks such as the 73, D stock and C stock I doubt it would be beyond the
wit
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of man to install PED door opening system to the 95 stock. Unless you or
Grandad Recliner can think of some compelling reason why not.
Nobody said it was impossible, just that TfL isn't addicted to wasting
money it doesn't have like you are, Neil.
LOL , yeah right, TfL never wastes money! That'll be why it installed all
the PEDs on the JLE in the first place, because they're so useful. That'll be
why they've installed video ad displays in god knows how many central
stations.
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(There must be 50 large monitors alongside the main TCR escalator alone!)
That makes loads of money.
I doubt it makes significantly more than the previous static ads. If they had
any marketing nous they'd have put ads on the ticket machine screens along
with special offers, discounts on visits to XYZ if you travel by tube etc.
Graeme Wall
2021-10-27 08:10:58 UTC
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 08:35:33 -0000 (UTC)
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 00:02:14 -0000 (UTC)
Post by Anna Noyd-Dryver
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You mean the 95 stock that is very similar to the 96 stock on the
Jubilee?
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Post by Recliner
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Post by Anna Noyd-Dryver
I'm
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sure they could find a way if they tried.
Similar in external appearance only, AIUI.
"The 1996 Stock has an identical exterior car body to the 1995 Stock, but
the two rolling stocks have different interiors, seating layouts and cabs,
traction packages and train management systems" also different traction
motors and bogies.
Given LU managed to install electronic information systems into tired old
stocks such as the 73, D stock and C stock I doubt it would be beyond the
wit
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Post by Recliner
Post by R***@watershipdown.co.uk
of man to install PED door opening system to the 95 stock. Unless you or
Grandad Recliner can think of some compelling reason why not.
Nobody said it was impossible, just that TfL isn't addicted to wasting
money it doesn't have like you are, Neil.
LOL , yeah right, TfL never wastes money! That'll be why it installed all
the PEDs on the JLE in the first place, because they're so useful. That'll be
why they've installed video ad displays in god knows how many central
stations.
Post by R***@watershipdown.co.uk
(There must be 50 large monitors alongside the main TCR escalator alone!)
That makes loads of money.
I doubt it makes significantly more than the previous static ads.
According to TfL it does. At least they charge more for the sites.

If they had
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any marketing nous they'd have put ads on the ticket machine screens along
with special offers, discounts on visits to XYZ if you travel by tube etc.
Marketing experts obviously don't agree with you. Ads on the ticket
machines would cause delay and aggravation. Going down the escalators
many people are a captive audience.
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Graeme Wall
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J***@whatsthetime.net
2021-10-27 14:32:19 UTC
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If they had
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any marketing nous they'd have put ads on the ticket machine screens along
with special offers, discounts on visits to XYZ if you travel by tube etc.
Marketing experts obviously don't agree with you. Ads on the ticket
machines would cause delay and aggravation. Going down the escalators
It could be enabled or disabled depending on how busy the station is. Most of
the worlds websites think its a good idea to have banner or side loading ads
so I suspect they're on to something.
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many people are a captive audience.
Absolutely no one looks at them. Its a total waste of electricity.
Graeme Wall
2021-10-27 15:36:10 UTC
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If they had
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any marketing nous they'd have put ads on the ticket machine screens along
with special offers, discounts on visits to XYZ if you travel by tube etc.
Marketing experts obviously don't agree with you. Ads on the ticket
machines would cause delay and aggravation. Going down the escalators
It could be enabled or disabled depending on how busy the station is. Most of
the worlds websites think its a good idea to have banner or side loading ads
so I suspect they're on to something.
Post by R***@watershipdown.co.uk
many people are a captive audience.
Absolutely no one looks at them. Its a total waste of electricity.
Well you obviously do. Remember TfL and it's predecessors have over a
century of experience of presenting advertising to the public. I suspect
they might just have learnt a thing or two in that time.
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Graeme Wall
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Recliner
2021-10-27 16:33:20 UTC
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If they had
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any marketing nous they'd have put ads on the ticket machine screens along
with special offers, discounts on visits to XYZ if you travel by tube etc.
Marketing experts obviously don't agree with you. Ads on the ticket
machines would cause delay and aggravation. Going down the escalators
It could be enabled or disabled depending on how busy the station is. Most of
the worlds websites think its a good idea to have banner or side loading ads
so I suspect they're on to something.
Post by R***@watershipdown.co.uk
many people are a captive audience.
Absolutely no one looks at them. Its a total waste of electricity.
Well you obviously do. Remember TfL and it's predecessors have over a
century of experience of presenting advertising to the public. I suspect
they might just have learnt a thing or two in that time.
Incidentally, and rather surprisingly, Nine Elms just has conventional
poster ads on the escalators, not LCD displays.
Graeme Wall
2021-10-27 21:12:44 UTC
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If they had
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any marketing nous they'd have put ads on the ticket machine screens along
with special offers, discounts on visits to XYZ if you travel by tube etc.
Marketing experts obviously don't agree with you. Ads on the ticket
machines would cause delay and aggravation. Going down the escalators
It could be enabled or disabled depending on how busy the station is. Most of
the worlds websites think its a good idea to have banner or side loading ads
so I suspect they're on to something.
Post by R***@watershipdown.co.uk
many people are a captive audience.
Absolutely no one looks at them. Its a total waste of electricity.
Well you obviously do. Remember TfL and it's predecessors have over a
century of experience of presenting advertising to the public. I suspect
they might just have learnt a thing or two in that time.
Incidentally, and rather surprisingly, Nine Elms just has conventional
poster ads on the escalators, not LCD displays.
Not worked out what the criterion is for the video versions. I assume it
is based on the footfall exceeding a certain level which I suspect Nine
Elms doesn't reach.
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Graeme Wall
2021-10-28 07:26:23 UTC
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If they had
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any marketing nous they'd have put ads on the ticket machine screens along
with special offers, discounts on visits to XYZ if you travel by tube etc.
Marketing experts obviously don't agree with you. Ads on the ticket
machines would cause delay and aggravation. Going down the escalators
It could be enabled or disabled depending on how busy the station is. Most of
the worlds websites think its a good idea to have banner or side loading ads
so I suspect they're on to something.
Post by R***@watershipdown.co.uk
many people are a captive audience.
Absolutely no one looks at them. Its a total waste of electricity.
Well you obviously do. Remember TfL and it's predecessors have over a
century of experience of presenting advertising to the public. I suspect
they might just have learnt a thing or two in that time.
Incidentally, and rather surprisingly, Nine Elms just has conventional
poster ads on the escalators, not LCD displays.
Not worked out what the criterion is for the video versions. I assume it
is based on the footfall exceeding a certain level which I suspect Nine
Elms doesn't reach.
Yes, I suppose so, but it was still surprising to see a new zone 1 station
without video ad displays.
Does Battersea have any?
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Graeme Wall
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Recliner
2021-10-28 09:07:57 UTC
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If they had
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any marketing nous they'd have put ads on the ticket machine screens along
with special offers, discounts on visits to XYZ if you travel by tube etc.
Marketing experts obviously don't agree with you. Ads on the ticket
machines would cause delay and aggravation. Going down the escalators
It could be enabled or disabled depending on how busy the station is. Most of
the worlds websites think its a good idea to have banner or side loading ads
so I suspect they're on to something.
Post by R***@watershipdown.co.uk
many people are a captive audience.
Absolutely no one looks at them. Its a total waste of electricity.
Well you obviously do. Remember TfL and it's predecessors have over a
century of experience of presenting advertising to the public. I suspect
they might just have learnt a thing or two in that time.
Incidentally, and rather surprisingly, Nine Elms just has conventional
poster ads on the escalators, not LCD displays.
Not worked out what the criterion is for the video versions. I assume it
is based on the footfall exceeding a certain level which I suspect Nine
Elms doesn't reach.
Yes, I suppose so, but it was still surprising to see a new zone 1 station
without video ad displays.
Does Battersea have any?
I didn't notice at the time, but from my pictures, no.
Roland Perry
2021-10-27 18:14:09 UTC
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Remember TfL and it's predecessors have over a
I don't. I notice their presense, I take no notice of whats being displayed.
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century of experience of presenting advertising to the public. I suspect
they might just have learnt a thing or two in that time.
Someone with your condition doesn't respond the same to adverts as the
majority of the population. But that's OK, the advertisers only want an
audience of the majority.
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J***@whatsthetime.net
2021-10-28 09:32:48 UTC
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Post by Graeme Wall
Remember TfL and it's predecessors have over a
I don't. I notice their presense, I take no notice of whats being displayed.
Post by Graeme Wall
century of experience of presenting advertising to the public. I suspect
they might just have learnt a thing or two in that time.
Someone with your condition doesn't respond the same to adverts as the
Indeed. Someone who can sniff BS a mile off generally ignores ads.
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majority of the population. But that's OK, the advertisers only want an
audience of the majority.
Time to get your wallet out then!
Roland Perry
2021-10-28 09:51:01 UTC
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Post by Graeme Wall
Remember TfL and it's predecessors have over a
I don't. I notice their presense, I take no notice of whats being displayed.
Post by Graeme Wall
century of experience of presenting advertising to the public. I suspect
they might just have learnt a thing or two in that time.
Someone with your condition doesn't respond the same to adverts as the
Indeed. Someone who can sniff BS a mile off generally ignores ads.
It's a bit deeper than that, but a hated of advertising, or just
being impervious to it, isn't something shared by the majority of
the population.
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majority of the population. But that's OK, the advertisers only want an
audience of the majority.
Time to get your wallet out then!
It's unlikely they'll be advertising anything I'd want to buy.
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J***@whatsthetime.net
2021-10-28 10:16:40 UTC
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Post by Graeme Wall
Remember TfL and it's predecessors have over a
I don't. I notice their presense, I take no notice of whats being displayed.
Post by Graeme Wall
century of experience of presenting advertising to the public. I suspect
they might just have learnt a thing or two in that time.
Someone with your condition doesn't respond the same to adverts as the
Indeed. Someone who can sniff BS a mile off generally ignores ads.
It's a bit deeper than that, but a hated of advertising, or just
Hatred? I think you're projecting.
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being impervious to it, isn't something shared by the majority of
the population.
Maybe, maybe not. Who knows.
Roland Perry
2021-10-28 11:00:09 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
Post by Graeme Wall
Remember TfL and it's predecessors have over a
I don't. I notice their presense, I take no notice of whats being displayed.
Post by Graeme Wall
century of experience of presenting advertising to the public. I suspect
they might just have learnt a thing or two in that time.
Someone with your condition doesn't respond the same to adverts as the
Indeed. Someone who can sniff BS a mile off generally ignores ads.
It's a bit deeper than that, but a hated of advertising, or just
Hatred? I think you're projecting.
You could be the "or".
Post by J***@whatsthetime.net
Post by Roland Perry
being impervious to it, isn't something shared by the majority of
the population.
Maybe, maybe not. Who knows.
Psychologists.
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Roland Perry
2021-10-28 15:14:12 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
It's a bit deeper than that, but a hated of advertising, or just
Hatred? I think you're projecting.
You could be the "or".
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Post by Roland Perry
being impervious to it, isn't something shared by the majority of
the population.
Maybe, maybe not. Who knows.
Psychologists.
A lot of psychology has scientific foundations on a par with homeopathy
and chiropratise.
And a different lot is based on solid observation of patients.

Also a lot of marketing is based on psychology - it's proven that people
are more attracted to yellow labelling, for example.
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Roland Perry
J***@whatsthetime.net
2021-10-29 08:41:02 UTC
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 12:00:09 +0100
Post by Roland Perry
Post by J***@whatsthetime.net
Post by Roland Perry
It's a bit deeper than that, but a hated of advertising, or just
Hatred? I think you're projecting.
You could be the "or".
Post by J***@whatsthetime.net
Post by Roland Perry
being impervious to it, isn't something shared by the majority of
the population.
Maybe, maybe not. Who knows.
Psychologists.
A lot of psychology has scientific foundations on a par with homeopathy
and chiropratise.
And a different lot is based on solid observation of patients.
Thats generally psychiatry though admittedly the terms tend to overlap
somewhat.
J***@whatsthetime.net
2021-10-29 14:33:57 UTC
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Post by J***@whatsthetime.net
On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 16:14:12 +0100
Post by Roland Perry
On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 12:00:09 +0100
Post by Roland Perry
Post by J***@whatsthetime.net
Post by Roland Perry
It's a bit deeper than that, but a hated of advertising, or just
Hatred? I think you're projecting.
You could be the "or".
Post by J***@whatsthetime.net
Post by Roland Perry
being impervious to it, isn't something shared by the majority of
the population.
Maybe, maybe not. Who knows.
Psychologists.
A lot of psychology has scientific foundations on a par with homeopathy
and chiropratise.
And a different lot is based on solid observation of patients.
Thats generally psychiatry though admittedly the terms tend to overlap
somewhat.
The country's leading autism expert (Simon Baron-Cohen) styles himself
as a clinical psychologist.
Which rather proves my point that they tend to overlap. Is autism a
psychological issue or a psychiatric one? Beats me.
Roland Perry
2021-10-29 15:33:26 UTC
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 16:14:12 +0100
Post by Roland Perry
On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 12:00:09 +0100
Post by Roland Perry
Post by J***@whatsthetime.net
Post by Roland Perry
It's a bit deeper than that, but a hated of advertising, or just
Hatred? I think you're projecting.
You could be the "or".
Post by J***@whatsthetime.net
Post by Roland Perry
being impervious to it, isn't something shared by the majority of
the population.
Maybe, maybe not. Who knows.
Psychologists.
A lot of psychology has scientific foundations on a par with homeopathy
and chiropratise.
And a different lot is based on solid observation of patients.
Thats generally psychiatry though admittedly the terms tend to overlap
somewhat.
The country's leading autism expert (Simon Baron-Cohen) styles himself
as a clinical psychologist.
Which rather proves my point that they tend to overlap. Is autism a
psychological issue or a psychiatric one? Beats me.
I think the phenomenon is defined by psychologists, and treated (in
sufficiently extreme cases) by psychiatrists.

Although I have a suspicion Baron-Cohen doesn't think it's particularly
treatable, any more than being colour blind. So "treatment" is limited
to restraining the individual to keep them and others around them safe
when they become frustrated and violent.
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J***@whatsthetime.net
2021-10-28 09:31:34 UTC
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I don't. I notice their presense, I take no notice of whats being displayed.
Post by Graeme Wall
century of experience of presenting advertising to the public. I suspect
they might just have learnt a thing or two in that time.
An advert is best placed at a location people arn't moving and gone in
seconds.
Say on a ticket machine or the other side of the station wall when they're
waiting for a train. Thats what other countries do.
100 years of experience says you are wrong.
Yeah, LU are right and everyone else is wrong. If you say so.
Graeme Wall
2021-10-28 17:36:24 UTC
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I don't. I notice their presense, I take no notice of whats being displayed.
Post by Graeme Wall
century of experience of presenting advertising to the public. I suspect
they might just have learnt a thing or two in that time.
An advert is best placed at a location people arn't moving and gone in
seconds.
Say on a ticket machine or the other side of the station wall when they're
waiting for a train. Thats what other countries do.
100 years of experience says you are wrong.
Yeah, LU are right and everyone else is wrong. If you say so.
You are claiming to be everyone else now?
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Graeme Wall
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Marland
2021-10-28 18:21:37 UTC
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If they had
Post by R***@watershipdown.co.uk
any marketing nous they'd have put ads on the ticket machine screens along
with special offers, discounts on visits to XYZ if you travel by tube etc.
Marketing experts obviously don't agree with you. Ads on the ticket
machines would cause delay and aggravation. Going down the escalators
It could be enabled or disabled depending on how busy the station is. Most of
the worlds websites think its a good idea to have banner or side loading ads
so I suspect they're on to something.
Post by R***@watershipdown.co.uk
many people are a captive audience.
Absolutely no one looks at them. Its a total waste of electricity.
Well you obviously do. Remember TfL and it's predecessors have over a
I don't. I notice their presense, I take no notice of whats being displayed.
Post by Graeme Wall
century of experience of presenting advertising to the public. I suspect
they might just have learnt a thing or two in that time.
An advert is best placed at a location people arn't moving and gone in seconds.
Say on a ticket machine or the other side of the station wall when they're
waiting for a train. Thats what other countries do.
Arn’t a lot of adverts by escalators repeated ? so you get to see the same
one for much of the duration people are stood on it for the journey up or
down and those ascents and descents take more than a few seconds.

GH
Graeme Wall
2021-10-28 21:09:01 UTC
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Post by J***@whatsthetime.net
On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 09:10:58 +0100
Post by R***@watershipdown.co.uk
If they had
Post by R***@watershipdown.co.uk
any marketing nous they'd have put ads on the ticket machine screens along
with special offers, discounts on visits to XYZ if you travel by tube etc.
Marketing experts obviously don't agree with you. Ads on the ticket
machines would cause delay and aggravation. Going down the escalators
It could be enabled or disabled depending on how busy the station is. Most of
the worlds websites think its a good idea to have banner or side loading ads
so I suspect they're on to something.
Post by R***@watershipdown.co.uk
many people are a captive audience.
Absolutely no one looks at them. Its a total waste of electricity.
Well you obviously do. Remember TfL and it's predecessors have over a
I don't. I notice their presense, I take no notice of whats being displayed.
Post by Graeme Wall
century of experience of presenting advertising to the public. I suspect
they might just have learnt a thing or two in that time.
An advert is best placed at a location people arn't moving and gone in seconds.
Say on a ticket machine or the other side of the station wall when they're
waiting for a train. Thats what other countries do.
Arn’t a lot of adverts by escalators repeated ? so you get to see the same
one for much of the duration people are stood on it for the journey up or
down and those ascents and descents take more than a few seconds.
They are often in repeated groups of 4 or 5 or one advertiser might have
bought the whole escalator.
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Graeme Wall
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R***@watershipdown.co.uk
2021-10-26 08:18:01 UTC
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I presume you've heard of crossrail.
Oh clever Neil. So you'll be able to list the XR PEDs in use?
They're installed and have been for years and we've all seen the pictures
and TV programs.
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Post by Recliner
The NLE has passive provision for them, but they can't be fitted with the
current generation of trains.
You mean the 95 stock that is very similar to the 96 stock on the Jubilee?
I'm
Post by R***@watershipdown.co.uk
sure they could find a way if they tried.
Oh look, another brilliant, money-wasting idea from you.
Never mind your usual lame sarcasm, can the control system be retrofitted or
not? Perhaps if you don't know then don't pretend otherwise.
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