OT: Foreign leaders to travel by coach to funeral

[Recliner]

Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.

World leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to
attend the funeral at Westminster Abbey on September 19 — and will instead
be bussed in en masse from a site in west London.

…

Westminster Abbey will be so packed for the event that it will be
impossible for more than a single, senior representative per country and
their other half to attend, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (FCDO) lamented in the official protocol message regarding the
event.

In the document, sent to overseas embassies late Saturday night, the
department said it “regrets that, because of limited space at the state
funeral service and associated events, no other members of the principal
guest’s family, staff or entourage may be admitted.”

Heads of state unable to attend may choose someone else as their official
representative, such as a head of government or senior minister.

<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral/>

[Tweed]

Post by Recliner
Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.
World leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to
attend the funeral at Westminster Abbey on September 19 — and will instead
be bussed in en masse from a site in west London.
…
Westminster Abbey will be so packed for the event that it will be
impossible for more than a single, senior representative per country and
their other half to attend, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (FCDO) lamented in the official protocol message regarding the
event.
In the document, sent to overseas embassies late Saturday night, the
department said it “regrets that, because of limited space at the state
funeral service and associated events, no other members of the principal
guest’s family, staff or entourage may be admitted.”
Heads of state unable to attend may choose someone else as their official
representative, such as a head of government or senior minister.
<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral/>

Heads of State in a bus/coach? Can’t see Biden going by bus! Whole,idea
sounds like a security nightmare. All eggs in one basket and all that.

[Roland Perry]

Post by Tweed

Post by Recliner
Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.
World leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to
attend the funeral at Westminster Abbey on September 19 — and will instead
be bussed in en masse from a site in west London.
…
Westminster Abbey will be so packed for the event that it will be
impossible for more than a single, senior representative per country and
their other half to attend, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (FCDO) lamented in the official protocol message regarding the
event.
In the document, sent to overseas embassies late Saturday night, the
department said it “regrets that, because of limited space at the state
funeral service and associated events, no other members of the principal
guest’s family, staff or entourage may be admitted.”
Heads of state unable to attend may choose someone else as their official
representative, such as a head of government or senior minister.
<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles
-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabet
hs-funeral/>

Heads of State in a bus/coach? Can’t see Biden going by bus!

Me neither, it'll be interesting to see what transpires. Another part of
the advice (which wasn't in the OP) is to arrive in London at least a
day early, whereas he's more into whistle-stopping.

There are some fairly obvious compromises, like having him arrive at 4am
at one the many secure venues within the Westminster campus. But they
are all grown-ups, and can work something out.

Post by Tweed
Whole,idea sounds like a security nightmare. All eggs in one basket and
all that.

There's lots and lots of baskets, if you mean coaches. The Abbey is one
basket though.

[Recliner]

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Post by Recliner
Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.
World leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to
attend the funeral at Westminster Abbey on September 19 — and will instead
be bussed in en masse from a site in west London.
…
Westminster Abbey will be so packed for the event that it will be
impossible for more than a single, senior representative per country and
their other half to attend, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (FCDO) lamented in the official protocol message regarding the
event.
In the document, sent to overseas embassies late Saturday night, the
department said it “regrets that, because of limited space at the state
funeral service and associated events, no other members of the principal
guest’s family, staff or entourage may be admitted.”
Heads of state unable to attend may choose someone else as their official
representative, such as a head of government or senior minister.
<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral/>

Heads of State in a bus/coach? Can’t see Biden going by bus! Whole,idea
sounds like a security nightmare. All eggs in one basket and all that.

At least this solves one dilemma for Biden. Historically the US president
would invite former presidents who had known the dead leader to accompany
them on AF1, but he certainly wouldn't want Trump on board.

<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/09/11/queen-elizabeth-iis-funeral-foreign-leaders-banned-travelling/>

[Recliner]

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Post by Recliner
Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.
World leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to
attend the funeral at Westminster Abbey on September 19 — and will instead
be bussed in en masse from a site in west London.
…
Westminster Abbey will be so packed for the event that it will be
impossible for more than a single, senior representative per country and
their other half to attend, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (FCDO) lamented in the official protocol message regarding the
event.
In the document, sent to overseas embassies late Saturday night, the
department said it “regrets that, because of limited space at the state
funeral service and associated events, no other members of the principal
guest’s family, staff or entourage may be admitted.”
Heads of state unable to attend may choose someone else as their official
representative, such as a head of government or senior minister.
<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral/>

Heads of State in a bus/coach? Can’t see Biden going by bus! Whole,idea
sounds like a security nightmare. All eggs in one basket and all that.

Looks like Australia is organising a plane-share to bring along the leaders
of Pacific island countries. They'll have a very long journey. This may be
the biggest gathering of heads of state and government in world history.

Queen’s funeral: Joe Biden caught officials off guard with plan to attend

<https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/6684e724-31fc-11ed-a08f-af84e8072b22?shareToken=1feaf547393c0b60854faf073d55bdf2>

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Post by Recliner
Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.
World leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to
attend the funeral at Westminster Abbey on September 19 — and will instead
be bussed in en masse from a site in west London.
…
Westminster Abbey will be so packed for the event that it will be
impossible for more than a single, senior representative per country and
their other half to attend, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (FCDO) lamented in the official protocol message regarding the
event.
In the document, sent to overseas embassies late Saturday night, the
department said it “regrets that, because of limited space at the state
funeral service and associated events, no other members of the principal
guest’s family, staff or entourage may be admitted.”
Heads of state unable to attend may choose someone else as their official
representative, such as a head of government or senior minister.
<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral/>

Heads of State in a bus/coach? Can’t see Biden going by bus! Whole,idea
sounds like a security nightmare. All eggs in one basket and all that.

Secret Service simply would not permit Biden to travel in anything but
the Beast.

[Roland Perry]

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Post by Recliner
Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.
World leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to
attend the funeral at Westminster Abbey on September 19 — and will instead
be bussed in en masse from a site in west London.
…
Westminster Abbey will be so packed for the event that it will be
impossible for more than a single, senior representative per country and
their other half to attend, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (FCDO) lamented in the official protocol message regarding the
event.
In the document, sent to overseas embassies late Saturday night, the
department said it “regrets that, because of limited space at the state
funeral service and associated events, no other members of the principal
guest’s family, staff or entourage may be admitted.”
Heads of state unable to attend may choose someone else as their official
representative, such as a head of government or senior minister.
<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charle
s-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizab
eths-funeral/>

Heads of State in a bus/coach? Can’t see Biden going by bus!
Whole,idea sounds like a security nightmare. All eggs in one basket
and all that.

Secret Service simply would not permit Biden to travel in anything but
the Beast.

What if they dropped him off at Downing St, and then he got a lift off
Truss (will she get a car, or have to walk?) Although actually they
could walk inside The Treasury and be only just across the road from the
Abbey.

Or maybe there's a secret tunnel anyway (not full of mothballed steam
engines, though).

[Christopher A. Lee]

Post by Roland Perry
Or maybe there's a secret tunnel anyway (not full of mothballed steam
engines, though).

Westminster Abbey was a Castle, not a Grange.

[Roland Perry]

Post by Christopher A. Lee

Post by Roland Perry
Or maybe there's a secret tunnel anyway (not full of mothballed steam
engines, though).

Westminster Abbey was a Castle, not a Grange.

Castles probably have more secret tunnels, though.

[Graeme Wall]

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Christopher A. Lee

Post by Roland Perry
Or maybe there's a secret tunnel anyway (not full of mothballed steam
engines, though).

Westminster Abbey was a Castle, not a Grange.

Castles probably have more secret tunnels, though.

More of a Star originally.

[Recliner]

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Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.
World leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to
attend the funeral at Westminster Abbey on September 19 — and will instead
be bussed in en masse from a site in west London.
…
Westminster Abbey will be so packed for the event that it will be
impossible for more than a single, senior representative per country and
their other half to attend, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (FCDO) lamented in the official protocol message regarding the
event.
In the document, sent to overseas embassies late Saturday night, the
department said it “regrets that, because of limited space at the state
funeral service and associated events, no other members of the principal
guest’s family, staff or entourage may be admitted.”
Heads of state unable to attend may choose someone else as their official
representative, such as a head of government or senior minister.
<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral/>

Heads of State in a bus/coach? Can’t see Biden going by bus! Whole,idea
sounds like a security nightmare. All eggs in one basket and all that.

Secret Service simply would not permit Biden to travel in anything but
the Beast.

The president probably travels more often in the armoured Chevy Suburban
vehicles, including during the G7 in Cornwall.

[h***@yahoo.co.uk]

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Post by Recliner
Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.
World leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to
attend the funeral at Westminster Abbey on September 19 — and will instead
be bussed in en masse from a site in west London.
…
Westminster Abbey will be so packed for the event that it will be
impossible for more than a single, senior representative per country and
their other half to attend, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (FCDO) lamented in the official protocol message regarding the
event.
In the document, sent to overseas embassies late Saturday night, the
department said it “regrets that, because of limited space at the state
funeral service and associated events, no other members of the principal
guest’s family, staff or entourage may be admitted.”
Heads of state unable to attend may choose someone else as their official
representative, such as a head of government or senior minister.
<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral/>

Heads of State in a bus/coach? Can’t see Biden going by bus! Whole,idea
sounds like a security nightmare. All eggs in one basket and all that.

Secret Service simply would not permit Biden to travel in anything but
the Beast.

The president probably travels more often in the armoured Chevy Suburban
vehicles, including during the G7 in Cornwall.

You could well be right.

In any event, they simply would not allow him to travel in anything
other than their vehicles.

[Recliner]

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Post by Recliner
Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.
World leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to
attend the funeral at Westminster Abbey on September 19 — and will instead
be bussed in en masse from a site in west London.
…
Westminster Abbey will be so packed for the event that it will be
impossible for more than a single, senior representative per country and
their other half to attend, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (FCDO) lamented in the official protocol message regarding the
event.
In the document, sent to overseas embassies late Saturday night, the
department said it “regrets that, because of limited space at the state
funeral service and associated events, no other members of the principal
guest’s family, staff or entourage may be admitted.”
Heads of state unable to attend may choose someone else as their official
representative, such as a head of government or senior minister.
<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral/>

Heads of State in a bus/coach? Can’t see Biden going by bus! Whole,idea
sounds like a security nightmare. All eggs in one basket and all that.

Secret Service simply would not permit Biden to travel in anything but
the Beast.

The president probably travels more often in the armoured Chevy Suburban
vehicles, including during the G7 in Cornwall.

You could well be right.
In any event, they simply would not allow him to travel in anything
other than their vehicles.

Yes, it would be remarkable if he did take the Park and Ride.

[Recliner]

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Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.
World leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to
attend the funeral at Westminster Abbey on September 19 — and will instead
be bussed in en masse from a site in west London.
…
Westminster Abbey will be so packed for the event that it will be
impossible for more than a single, senior representative per country and
their other half to attend, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (FCDO) lamented in the official protocol message regarding the
event.
In the document, sent to overseas embassies late Saturday night, the
department said it “regrets that, because of limited space at the state
funeral service and associated events, no other members of the principal
guest’s family, staff or entourage may be admitted.”
Heads of state unable to attend may choose someone else as their official
representative, such as a head of government or senior minister.
<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral/>

Heads of State in a bus/coach? Can’t see Biden going by bus! Whole,idea
sounds like a security nightmare. All eggs in one basket and all that.

Secret Service simply would not permit Biden to travel in anything but
the Beast.

The president probably travels more often in the armoured Chevy Suburban
vehicles, including during the G7 in Cornwall.

You could well be right.
In any event, they simply would not allow him to travel in anything
other than their vehicles.

Yes, it would be remarkable if he did take the Park and Ride.

This report suggests there will be exceptions:
<https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/12/queen-funeral-travel-bus-helicopter-biden>

There's also the question of whether the Obamas will be invited. I think
they were the Queen's favourite first couple (certainly, of the living
ones), and could perhaps be invited as family friends rather than as a
former president. They could share the vehicle with the Bidens, so it could
be called a bus.

[h***@yahoo.co.uk]

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Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.
World leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to
attend the funeral at Westminster Abbey on September 19 — and will instead
be bussed in en masse from a site in west London.
…
Westminster Abbey will be so packed for the event that it will be
impossible for more than a single, senior representative per country and
their other half to attend, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (FCDO) lamented in the official protocol message regarding the
event.
In the document, sent to overseas embassies late Saturday night, the
department said it “regrets that, because of limited space at the state
funeral service and associated events, no other members of the principal
guest’s family, staff or entourage may be admitted.”
Heads of state unable to attend may choose someone else as their official
representative, such as a head of government or senior minister.
<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral/>

Heads of State in a bus/coach? Can’t see Biden going by bus! Whole,idea
sounds like a security nightmare. All eggs in one basket and all that.

Secret Service simply would not permit Biden to travel in anything but
the Beast.

The president probably travels more often in the armoured Chevy Suburban
vehicles, including during the G7 in Cornwall.

You could well be right.
In any event, they simply would not allow him to travel in anything
other than their vehicles.

Yes, it would be remarkable if he did take the Park and Ride.

<https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/12/queen-funeral-travel-bus-helicopter-biden>
There's also the question of whether the Obamas will be invited. I think
they were the Queen's favourite first couple (certainly, of the living
ones), and could perhaps be invited as family friends rather than as a
former president. They could share the vehicle with the Bidens, so it could
be called a bus.

I don't know what the protocol is, or even if there is one, for a former
and sitting US President to travel together in the same vehicle.

It's also worth noting that former US Presidents also have Secret
Service protection.

[Recliner]

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Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.
World leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to
attend the funeral at Westminster Abbey on September 19 — and will instead
be bussed in en masse from a site in west London.
…
Westminster Abbey will be so packed for the event that it will be
impossible for more than a single, senior representative per country and
their other half to attend, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (FCDO) lamented in the official protocol message regarding the
event.
In the document, sent to overseas embassies late Saturday night, the
department said it “regrets that, because of limited space at the state
funeral service and associated events, no other members of the principal
guest’s family, staff or entourage may be admitted.”
Heads of state unable to attend may choose someone else as their official
representative, such as a head of government or senior minister.
<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral/>

Heads of State in a bus/coach? Can’t see Biden going by bus! Whole,idea
sounds like a security nightmare. All eggs in one basket and all that.

Secret Service simply would not permit Biden to travel in anything but
the Beast.

The president probably travels more often in the armoured Chevy Suburban
vehicles, including during the G7 in Cornwall.

You could well be right.
In any event, they simply would not allow him to travel in anything
other than their vehicles.

Yes, it would be remarkable if he did take the Park and Ride.

<https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/12/queen-funeral-travel-bus-helicopter-biden>
There's also the question of whether the Obamas will be invited. I think
they were the Queen's favourite first couple (certainly, of the living
ones), and could perhaps be invited as family friends rather than as a
former president. They could share the vehicle with the Bidens, so it could
be called a bus.

I don't know what the protocol is, or even if there is one, for a former
and sitting US President to travel together in the same vehicle.

No, I don't either, but it seems like something that would be acceptable.
Probably more so than the current POTUS and Veep travelling together.

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk
It's also worth noting that former US Presidents also have Secret
Service protection.

True, so two for the price of one!

[MB]

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk
I don't know what the protocol is, or even if there is one, for a former
and sitting US President to travel together in the same vehicle.
It's also worth noting that former US Presidents also have Secret
Service protection.

And they remain titled "President" for the rest of their lives.

[Recliner]

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Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk
I don't know what the protocol is, or even if there is one, for a former
and sitting US President to travel together in the same vehicle.
It's also worth noting that former US Presidents also have Secret
Service protection.

And they remain titled "President" for the rest of their lives.

Yes, but that also applies to many lesser US positions, such as the Veep,
senators, congressmen, judges and mayors. I notice that the Donald still
refers to Melania as 'the first lady'. I don't know if that's legit, but
bit certainly sounds wrong to British ears.

[Graeme Wall]

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Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk
I don't know what the protocol is, or even if there is one, for a former
and sitting US President to travel together in the same vehicle.
It's also worth noting that former US Presidents also have Secret
Service protection.

And they remain titled "President" for the rest of their lives.

Yes, but that also applies to many lesser US positions, such as the Veep,
senators, congressmen, judges and mayors. I notice that the Donald still
refers to Melania as 'the first lady'. I don't know if that's legit, but
bit certainly sounds wrong to British ears.

Well he still claims to be the current President, so for once he's being
consistent.

[h***@yahoo.co.uk]

The Telegraph
17 September 2022

"Some high profile leaders – including Joe Biden, the US President,
Emmanuel Macron, the French president, and President Isaac Herzog of
Israel – are expected to have their own transport based on security
considerations.

"Mr Biden has been permitted to travel in his armoured Cadillac, known
as the Beast."

[Recliner]

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk
The Telegraph
17 September 2022
"Some high profile leaders – including Joe Biden, the US President,
Emmanuel Macron, the French president, and President Isaac Herzog of
Israel – are expected to have their own transport based on security
considerations.
"Mr Biden has been permitted to travel in his armoured Cadillac, known
as the Beast."

Yes, there's a YouTube video of two Beasts and one Suburban arriving on one
C-17A. Of course, there may well be more vehicles on other flights.

[Roland Perry]

Post by MB

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk
I don't know what the protocol is, or even if there is one, for a former
and sitting US President to travel together in the same vehicle.
It's also worth noting that former US Presidents also have Secret
Service protection.

And they remain titled "President" for the rest of their lives.

They do, but the majority of their domestic reporting I see from the USA
refers to "Former President Trump". I don't know if that's a deliberate
snub, or whether the convention is changing.

A very wide range office holders there retain the right to use their
title for life - so Judge Judy really was a judge (back in the 70's and
80's). We are used to Colonels and so on retaining their military rank
on civvy street, but would probably find it odd to hear former
politicians referred to in the present tense.

[Graeme Wall]

Post by Roland Perry
A very wide range office holders there retain the right to use their
title for life - so Judge Judy really was a judge (back in the 70's and
80's). We are used to Colonels and so on retaining their military rank
on civvy street, but would probably find it odd to hear former
politicians referred to in the present tense.
--

IIRC Majors and above are allowed to continue to use their rank after
retiring. Hence captains are often promoted to hon major shortly before
they retire.

[M***@dastardlyhq.com]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 17:59:48 +0100

Post by Graeme Wall

Post by Roland Perry
A very wide range office holders there retain the right to use their
title for life - so Judge Judy really was a judge (back in the 70's and
80's). We are used to Colonels and so on retaining their military rank
on civvy street, but would probably find it odd to hear former
politicians referred to in the present tense.
--

IIRC Majors and above are allowed to continue to use their rank after
retiring. Hence captains are often promoted to hon major shortly before
they retire.

All a bit daft though isn't it. Could you imagine "Project Managed John Smith
Rtd" or "CEO Fred Bloggs Rtd"? I guess military types are more defined by their
jobs than those of us on civvie street to have a need to cling onto (some
would say dine out on) their former ranks after they retire.

[Certes]

Post by M***@dastardlyhq.com
On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 17:59:48 +0100

Post by Graeme Wall

Post by Roland Perry
A very wide range office holders there retain the right to use their
title for life - so Judge Judy really was a judge (back in the 70's and
80's). We are used to Colonels and so on retaining their military rank
on civvy street, but would probably find it odd to hear former
politicians referred to in the present tense.
--

IIRC Majors and above are allowed to continue to use their rank after
retiring. Hence captains are often promoted to hon major shortly before
they retire.

All a bit daft though isn't it. Could you imagine "Project Managed John Smith
Rtd" or "CEO Fred Bloggs Rtd"? I guess military types are more defined by their
jobs than those of us on civvie street to have a need to cling onto (some
would say dine out on) their former ranks after they retire.

Project manager John Smith isn't usually introduced as such outside the
work environment, unlike Major Jones.

[Graeme Wall]

Post by Certes

Post by M***@dastardlyhq.com
On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 17:59:48 +0100

Post by Graeme Wall

Post by Roland Perry
A very wide range office holders there retain the right to use their
title for life - so Judge Judy really was a judge (back in the 70's and
80's). We are used to Colonels and so on retaining their military rank
on civvy street, but would probably find it odd to hear former
politicians referred to in the present tense.
--

IIRC Majors and above are allowed to continue to use their rank after
retiring. Hence captains are often promoted to hon major shortly before
they retire.

All a bit daft though isn't it. Could you imagine "Project Managed John Smith
Rtd" or "CEO Fred Bloggs Rtd"? I guess military types are more defined by their
jobs than those of us on civvie street to have a need to cling onto (some
would say dine out on) their former ranks after they retire.

Project manager John Smith isn't usually introduced as such outside the
work environment, unlike Major Jones.

On the other hand John Smith might well present himself as J Smith, PhD

[MB]

Post by Graeme Wall
On the other hand John Smith might well present himself as J Smith, PhD

I like the Continental system of using the title "Engineer".

Many of the uses of "Doctor" for people with PhD's are a bit of an ego trip.

[Certes]

Post by MB

Post by Graeme Wall
On the other hand John Smith might well present himself as J Smith, PhD

I like the Continental system of using the title "Engineer".
Many of the uses of "Doctor" for people with PhD's are a bit of an ego trip.

"Doctor" also suggests a medical ability which most PhDs lack.

[Graeme Wall]

Post by Certes

Post by MB

Post by Graeme Wall
On the other hand John Smith might well present himself as J Smith, PhD

I like the Continental system of using the title "Engineer".
Many of the uses of "Doctor" for people with PhD's are a bit of an ego trip.

"Doctor" also suggests a medical ability which most PhDs lack.

I knew somebody would obsess over the random academic title I used.
First one I could think of.

[MB]

Post by Certes
"Doctor" also suggests a medical ability which most PhDs lack.

Some M.D.'s probably do not have much practical medical ability.

[Recliner]

Post by MB

Post by Certes
"Doctor" also suggests a medical ability which most PhDs lack.

Some M.D.'s probably do not have much practical medical ability.

Another oddity is dentists, who are often called Dr Driller, when I don't
think they have the right to the title.

[Tweed]

Post by Recliner

Post by MB

Post by Certes
"Doctor" also suggests a medical ability which most PhDs lack.

Some M.D.'s probably do not have much practical medical ability.

Another oddity is dentists, who are often called Dr Driller, when I don't
think they have the right to the title.

It’s a bit of a bone of contention with conventional medical doctors. The
dentists just declared they had studied as long as medical students and
thus were entitled to call themselves doctor. On the other hand my doctor
son only lasted two years as Dr before becoming Mr again after passing his
surgeons exams. Strange old world.

[Chris J Dixon]

Post by MB

Post by Graeme Wall
On the other hand John Smith might well present himself as J Smith, PhD

I like the Continental system of using the title "Engineer".

Which works as long as its meaning is fully understood.

Whilst I can still use the letters BSc, since retirement I
allowed my professional institution membership to lapse, and
along with those letters (MIET) I also lost Chartered Engineer
status.

Chris

[#Paul]

Post by MB
Many of the uses of "Doctor" for people with PhD's are a bit of an ego trip.

Since a PhD is a doctorate of philosophy, the "Doctor" is entirely appropiate --
there are more sorts of doctor than just the MD. However, you might well argue
that for most PhDs, it is instead the "philosophy" part that is inaccurate,
rather than the doctor; although I suppose the old "Natural Philosophy" label
covers many scientist PhDs.

#Paul

[M***@dastardlyhq.com]

On Fri, 16 Sep 2022 15:49:11 +0100

Post by Certes

Post by M***@dastardlyhq.com
On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 17:59:48 +0100

Post by Graeme Wall

Post by Roland Perry
A very wide range office holders there retain the right to use their
title for life - so Judge Judy really was a judge (back in the 70's and
80's). We are used to Colonels and so on retaining their military rank
on civvy street, but would probably find it odd to hear former
politicians referred to in the present tense.
--

IIRC Majors and above are allowed to continue to use their rank after
retiring. Hence captains are often promoted to hon major shortly before
they retire.

All a bit daft though isn't it. Could you imagine "Project Managed John Smith
Rtd" or "CEO Fred Bloggs Rtd"? I guess military types are more defined by

their

Post by M***@dastardlyhq.com
jobs than those of us on civvie street to have a need to cling onto (some
would say dine out on) their former ranks after they retire.

Project manager John Smith isn't usually introduced as such outside the
work environment, unlike Major Jones.

Whooosh....

[Roland Perry]

Post by Recliner

Post by Recliner

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk

Post by Recliner

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk

Post by Tweed

Post by Recliner
Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.
World leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to
attend the funeral at Westminster Abbey on September 19 — and will instead
be bussed in en masse from a site in west London.
…
Westminster Abbey will be so packed for the event that it will be
impossible for more than a single, senior representative per country and
their other half to attend, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (FCDO) lamented in the official protocol message regarding the
event.
In the document, sent to overseas embassies late Saturday night, the
department said it “regrets that, because of limited space at the state
funeral service and associated events, no other members of the principal
guest’s family, staff or entourage may be admitted.”
Heads of state unable to attend may choose someone else as their official
representative, such as a head of government or senior minister.
<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-ch
arles-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-quee
n-elizabeths-funeral/>

Heads of State in a bus/coach? Can’t see Biden going by bus! Whole,idea
sounds like a security nightmare. All eggs in one basket and all that.

Secret Service simply would not permit Biden to travel in anything but
the Beast.

The president probably travels more often in the armoured Chevy Suburban
vehicles, including during the G7 in Cornwall.

You could well be right.
In any event, they simply would not allow him to travel in anything
other than their vehicles.

Yes, it would be remarkable if he did take the Park and Ride.

<https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/12/queen-funeral-travel-bu
s-helicopter-biden>
There's also the question of whether the Obamas will be invited. I think
they were the Queen's favourite first couple (certainly, of the living
ones), and could perhaps be invited as family friends rather than as a
former president. They could share the vehicle with the Bidens, so it could
be called a bus.

There's an awful lot of excluded-middle in the comments from the press.
For example the President's armoured vehicles hardly qualify for the
description "Private Car". And he doesn't travel without a convoy,
either. On the other hand, neither the car nor the convoy drive the
President everywhere: Trump was seen walking in the grounds of Windsor
Castle when he visited.

My prediction (let's not over-use the word "expectation") is that a
significant essentially pedestrianised zone will be established around
Westminster, with multiple drop-off points on the perimeter for all but
the Royal Family, and quite a lot of walking between the various
individual premises.

[Charles Ellson]

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Recliner

Post by Recliner

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk

Post by Recliner

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk

Post by Recliner
Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.
World leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to
attend the funeral at Westminster Abbey on September 19 — and
will instead
be bussed in en masse from a site in west London.
…
Westminster Abbey will be so packed for the event that it will be
impossible for more than a single, senior representative per country and
their other half to attend, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (FCDO) lamented in the official protocol message regarding the
event.
In the document, sent to overseas embassies late Saturday night, the
department said it “regrets that, because of limited space at
the state
funeral service and associated events, no other members of the principal
guest’s family, staff or entourage may be admitted.”
Heads of state unable to attend may choose someone else as their official
representative, such as a head of government or senior minister.
<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-ch
arles-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-quee
n-elizabeths-funeral/>

Heads of State in a bus/coach? Can’t see Biden going by bus! Whole,idea
sounds like a security nightmare. All eggs in one basket and all that.

Secret Service simply would not permit Biden to travel in anything but
the Beast.

The president probably travels more often in the armoured Chevy Suburban
vehicles, including during the G7 in Cornwall.

You could well be right.
In any event, they simply would not allow him to travel in anything
other than their vehicles.

Yes, it would be remarkable if he did take the Park and Ride.

<https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/12/queen-funeral-travel-bu
s-helicopter-biden>
There's also the question of whether the Obamas will be invited. I think
they were the Queen's favourite first couple (certainly, of the living
ones), and could perhaps be invited as family friends rather than as a
former president. They could share the vehicle with the Bidens, so it could
be called a bus.

There's an awful lot of excluded-middle in the comments from the press.
For example the President's armoured vehicles hardly qualify for the
description "Private Car". And he doesn't travel without a convoy,
either. On the other hand, neither the car nor the convoy drive the
President everywhere: Trump was seen walking in the grounds of Windsor
Castle when he visited.
My prediction (let's not over-use the word "expectation") is that a
significant essentially pedestrianised zone will be established around
Westminster, with multiple drop-off points on the perimeter for all but
the Royal Family, and quite a lot of walking between the various
individual premises.

The "pedestrianisation" (traffic lights and other street furniture
being unbolted) was on the go around Parliament Square when I walked
through about 2am on Wednesday. As usual around Whitehall and the Mall
when other events are on, vehicle routes have to be maintained for
emergency and servicing access anyway.

[Recliner]

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk

Post by Recliner

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk

Post by Tweed

Post by Recliner
Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.
World leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to
attend the funeral at Westminster Abbey on September 19 — and will instead
be bussed in en masse from a site in west London.
…
Westminster Abbey will be so packed for the event that it will be
impossible for more than a single, senior representative per country and
their other half to attend, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (FCDO) lamented in the official protocol message regarding the
event.
In the document, sent to overseas embassies late Saturday night, the
department said it “regrets that, because of limited space at the state
funeral service and associated events, no other members of the principal
guest’s family, staff or entourage may be admitted.”
Heads of state unable to attend may choose someone else as their official
representative, such as a head of government or senior minister.
<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral/>

Heads of State in a bus/coach? Can’t see Biden going by bus! Whole,idea
sounds like a security nightmare. All eggs in one basket and all that.

Secret Service simply would not permit Biden to travel in anything but
the Beast.

The president probably travels more often in the armoured Chevy Suburban
vehicles, including during the G7 in Cornwall.

You could well be right.
In any event, they simply would not allow him to travel in anything
other than their vehicles.

I heard a heavy military freighter landing at Northolt this morning,
probably a C-17 (I didn't get a chance to see it). That usually precedes US
presidential visits, as it's the USAF plane carrying the Beasts and Secret
Service cars.

I didn't hear the late Queen's C-17 land, as it came in from the west. I
noticed that all Heathrow landings were paused as it approached. It later
took off towards the east, but didn't fly over me. But I saw a complaint on
a local bulletin board about a big, noisy military plane flying low
overhead after taking off from Northolt.

[David Williams]

Post by Recliner

Post by Recliner
Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.

<SNIP discussion of who this will or won't affect>

Post by Recliner
I heard a heavy military freighter landing at Northolt this morning,
probably a C-17 (I didn't get a chance to see it). That usually precedes US
presidential visits, as it's the USAF plane carrying the Beasts and Secret
Service cars.

It was a US C-17A, call sign RCH4594, from Dover air force base -
on Delaware Bay and not too far from Washington.

Post by Recliner
I didn't hear the late Queen's C-17 land, as it came in from the west. I
noticed that all Heathrow landings were paused as it approached. It later
took off towards the east, but didn't fly over me. But I saw a complaint on
a local bulletin board about a big, noisy military plane flying low
overhead after taking off from Northolt.

Also, it landed through low cloud and heavy rain, which could
have lessened the apparent noise. I didn't notice when it took off.

[Recliner]

Post by David Williams

Post by Recliner

Post by Recliner
Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.

<SNIP discussion of who this will or won't affect>

Post by Recliner
I heard a heavy military freighter landing at Northolt this morning,
probably a C-17 (I didn't get a chance to see it). That usually precedes US
presidential visits, as it's the USAF plane carrying the Beasts and Secret
Service cars.

It was a US C-17A, call sign RCH4594, from Dover air force base -
on Delaware Bay and not too far from Washington.

Thanks, that confirms my expectation.

Post by David Williams

Post by Recliner
I didn't hear the late Queen's C-17 land, as it came in from the west. I
noticed that all Heathrow landings were paused as it approached. It later
took off towards the east, but didn't fly over me. But I saw a complaint on
a local bulletin board about a big, noisy military plane flying low
overhead after taking off from Northolt.

Also, it landed through low cloud and heavy rain, which could
have lessened the apparent noise. I didn't notice when it took off.

I don't hear Northolt landings from the west, nor most take-offs.

[Roland Perry]

Post by Recliner
I heard a heavy military freighter landing at Northolt this morning,
probably a C-17 (I didn't get a chance to see it). That usually precedes US
presidential visits, as it's the USAF plane carrying the Beasts and Secret
Service cars.

Normally they'd fly into Mildenhall, which isn't that far from London in
the great scheme of things, and has a significant permanent presence of
many of the kind of resources required to support a Presidential visit
(not just to UK, it's a staging post for much of Europe and Middle East)

[Recliner]

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Recliner
I heard a heavy military freighter landing at Northolt this morning,
probably a C-17 (I didn't get a chance to see it). That usually precedes US
presidential visits, as it's the USAF plane carrying the Beasts and Secret
Service cars.

Normally they'd fly into Mildenhall, which isn't that far from London in
the great scheme of things, and has a significant permanent presence of
many of the kind of resources required to support a Presidential visit
(not just to UK, it's a staging post for much of Europe and Middle East)

They normally fly the cars into Northolt. Perhaps helicopters are flown
into Mildenhall?

[MB]

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk
Secret Service simply would not permit Biden to travel in anything but
the Beast.

Like when the Queen drove him in her Range Rover?

[Recliner]

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk

Post by Tweed

Post by Recliner
Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.
World leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to
attend the funeral at Westminster Abbey on September 19 — and will instead
be bussed in en masse from a site in west London.
…
Westminster Abbey will be so packed for the event that it will be
impossible for more than a single, senior representative per country and
their other half to attend, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (FCDO) lamented in the official protocol message regarding the
event.
In the document, sent to overseas embassies late Saturday night, the
department said it “regrets that, because of limited space at the state
funeral service and associated events, no other members of the principal
guest’s family, staff or entourage may be admitted.”
Heads of state unable to attend may choose someone else as their official
representative, such as a head of government or senior minister.
<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral/>

Heads of State in a bus/coach? Can’t see Biden going by bus! Whole,idea
sounds like a security nightmare. All eggs in one basket and all that.

Secret Service simply would not permit Biden to travel in anything but
the Beast.

From
<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/09/19/queen-funeral-seating-plan-guests-joe-biden/>

While Mr Biden arrived in his armoured car, The Beast, others were spotted
catching the bus.

Coach services laid on by the authorities departed from outside Royal
Hospital Chelsea, where a line of police had closed off the road to welcome
visiting dignitaries.

Those spotted turning up in the hours before the funeral included royals
like Philippe, King of Belgium, and Carl XVI Gustaf, King of Sweden, who
both arrived in Volvos.

Frank Walter-Steinmeir, the President of Germany, arrived in a black BMW
with the number plate GER 1 whilst Anthony Albanese, the Prime Minister of
Australia, swept up to the cordon in a Jaguar.

Later on Sergio Mattarella, the President of Italy, cruised up to the drop
off in a Maserati with the licence plate ITA 1.

Some major world leaders, including Mr Biden and Emmanuel Macron, the
President of France, were expected to be exempted from having to get the
bus on security grounds

[MB]

Post by Recliner
Coach services laid on by the authorities departed from outside Royal
Hospital Chelsea, where a line of police had closed off the road to welcome
visiting dignitaries.

It was reported in the newspapers yesterday that they were going to use
the Royal Hospital Chelsea as a posh Park And Ride.

[MB]

Post by Recliner
Some major world leaders, including Mr Biden and Emmanuel Macron, the
President of France, were expected to be exempted from having to get the
bus on security grounds

Though Macron photographed yesterday walking around the streets with his
grannie (and bodyguard)/

[m***@round-midnight.org.uk]

Post by MB

Post by Recliner
Some major world leaders, including Mr Biden and Emmanuel Macron, the
President of France, were expected to be exempted from having to get the
bus on security grounds

Though Macron photographed yesterday walking around the streets with his
grannie (and bodyguard)/

Exactly.

"Look at me. I'm so important I cannot travel on the bus with everyone
else."

[Roland Perry]

Post by Recliner
While Mr Biden arrived in his armoured car, The Beast, others were spotted
catching the bus.

He was late arriving, "stuck in traffic", and ended up sitting in the
'cheap seats' nine rows back.

[Recliner]

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Recliner
While Mr Biden arrived in his armoured car, The Beast, others were spotted
catching the bus.

He was late arriving, "stuck in traffic", and ended up sitting in the
'cheap seats' nine rows back.

I think that was his allotted seat anyway, as he's a fairly junior world
leader.

[h***@yahoo.co.uk]

Post by Recliner

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk

Post by Tweed

Post by Recliner
Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.
World leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to
attend the funeral at Westminster Abbey on September 19 — and will instead
be bussed in en masse from a site in west London.
…
Westminster Abbey will be so packed for the event that it will be
impossible for more than a single, senior representative per country and
their other half to attend, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (FCDO) lamented in the official protocol message regarding the
event.
In the document, sent to overseas embassies late Saturday night, the
department said it “regrets that, because of limited space at the state
funeral service and associated events, no other members of the principal
guest’s family, staff or entourage may be admitted.”
Heads of state unable to attend may choose someone else as their official
representative, such as a head of government or senior minister.
<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral/>

Heads of State in a bus/coach? Can’t see Biden going by bus! Whole,idea
sounds like a security nightmare. All eggs in one basket and all that.

Secret Service simply would not permit Biden to travel in anything but
the Beast.

From
<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/09/19/queen-funeral-seating-plan-guests-joe-biden/>
While Mr Biden arrived in his armoured car, The Beast, others were spotted
catching the bus.
Coach services laid on by the authorities departed from outside Royal
Hospital Chelsea, where a line of police had closed off the road to welcome
visiting dignitaries.
Those spotted turning up in the hours before the funeral included royals
like Philippe, King of Belgium, and Carl XVI Gustaf, King of Sweden, who
both arrived in Volvos.
Frank Walter-Steinmeir, the President of Germany, arrived in a black BMW
with the number plate GER 1

That's a diplomatic vehicle registration plate

Post by Recliner
Later on Sergio Mattarella, the President of Italy, cruised up to the drop
off in a Maserati with the licence plate ITA 1.

As is that.

[Charles Ellson]

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk

Post by Recliner

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk

Post by Recliner
Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.
World leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to
attend the funeral at Westminster Abbey on September 19 — and will instead
be bussed in en masse from a site in west London.
…
Westminster Abbey will be so packed for the event that it will be
impossible for more than a single, senior representative per country and
their other half to attend, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (FCDO) lamented in the official protocol message regarding the
event.
In the document, sent to overseas embassies late Saturday night, the
department said it “regrets that, because of limited space at the state
funeral service and associated events, no other members of the principal
guest’s family, staff or entourage may be admitted.”
Heads of state unable to attend may choose someone else as their official
representative, such as a head of government or senior minister.
<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral/>

Heads of State in a bus/coach? Can’t see Biden going by bus! Whole,idea
sounds like a security nightmare. All eggs in one basket and all that.

Secret Service simply would not permit Biden to travel in anything but
the Beast.

From
<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/09/19/queen-funeral-seating-plan-guests-joe-biden/>
While Mr Biden arrived in his armoured car, The Beast, others were spotted
catching the bus.
Coach services laid on by the authorities departed from outside Royal
Hospital Chelsea, where a line of police had closed off the road to welcome
visiting dignitaries.
Those spotted turning up in the hours before the funeral included royals
like Philippe, King of Belgium, and Carl XVI Gustaf, King of Sweden, who
both arrived in Volvos.
Frank Walter-Steinmeir, the President of Germany, arrived in a black BMW
with the number plate GER 1

That's a diplomatic vehicle registration plate

It isn't, it is a standard (but rather old) registration as is usual
with many countries' ambassadors' cars. Diplomatic plates are in the
form of nnn D nnn.

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk

Post by Recliner
Later on Sergio Mattarella, the President of Italy, cruised up to the drop
off in a Maserati with the licence plate ITA 1.

As is that.

No, it is a very old Devon C.C. registration.

[h***@yahoo.co.uk]

Post by Charles Ellson

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk

Post by Recliner

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk

Post by Tweed

Post by Recliner
Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.
World leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to
attend the funeral at Westminster Abbey on September 19 — and will instead
be bussed in en masse from a site in west London.
…
Westminster Abbey will be so packed for the event that it will be
impossible for more than a single, senior representative per country and
their other half to attend, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (FCDO) lamented in the official protocol message regarding the
event.
In the document, sent to overseas embassies late Saturday night, the
department said it “regrets that, because of limited space at the state
funeral service and associated events, no other members of the principal
guest’s family, staff or entourage may be admitted.”
Heads of state unable to attend may choose someone else as their official
representative, such as a head of government or senior minister.
<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral/>

Heads of State in a bus/coach? Can’t see Biden going by bus! Whole,idea
sounds like a security nightmare. All eggs in one basket and all that.

Secret Service simply would not permit Biden to travel in anything but
the Beast.

From
<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/09/19/queen-funeral-seating-plan-guests-joe-biden/>
While Mr Biden arrived in his armoured car, The Beast, others were spotted
catching the bus.
Coach services laid on by the authorities departed from outside Royal
Hospital Chelsea, where a line of police had closed off the road to welcome
visiting dignitaries.
Those spotted turning up in the hours before the funeral included royals
like Philippe, King of Belgium, and Carl XVI Gustaf, King of Sweden, who
both arrived in Volvos.
Frank Walter-Steinmeir, the President of Germany, arrived in a black BMW
with the number plate GER 1

That's a diplomatic vehicle registration plate

It isn't, it is a standard (but rather old) registration as is usual
with many countries' ambassadors' cars. Diplomatic plates are in the
form of nnn D nnn.

Sometimes in the form or nnn C nnn or nnn X nnn, respectively meaning
consular and service staff.

[Marland]

Post by Charles Ellson

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk

Post by Recliner

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk

Post by Recliner
Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.
World leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to
attend the funeral at Westminster Abbey on September 19 — and will instead
be bussed in en masse from a site in west London.
…
Westminster Abbey will be so packed for the event that it will be
impossible for more than a single, senior representative per country and
their other half to attend, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (FCDO) lamented in the official protocol message regarding the
event.
In the document, sent to overseas embassies late Saturday night, the
department said it “regrets that, because of limited space at the state
funeral service and associated events, no other members of the principal
guest’s family, staff or entourage may be admitted.”
Heads of state unable to attend may choose someone else as their official
representative, such as a head of government or senior minister.
<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral/>

Heads of State in a bus/coach? Can’t see Biden going by bus! Whole,idea
sounds like a security nightmare. All eggs in one basket and all that.

Secret Service simply would not permit Biden to travel in anything but
the Beast.

From
<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/09/19/queen-funeral-seating-plan-guests-joe-biden/>
While Mr Biden arrived in his armoured car, The Beast, others were spotted
catching the bus.
Coach services laid on by the authorities departed from outside Royal
Hospital Chelsea, where a line of police had closed off the road to welcome
visiting dignitaries.
Those spotted turning up in the hours before the funeral included royals
like Philippe, King of Belgium, and Carl XVI Gustaf, King of Sweden, who
both arrived in Volvos.
Frank Walter-Steinmeir, the President of Germany, arrived in a black BMW
with the number plate GER 1

That's a diplomatic vehicle registration plate

It isn't, it is a standard (but rather old) registration as is usual
with many countries' ambassadors' cars. Diplomatic plates are in the
form of nnn D nnn.

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk

Post by Recliner
Later on Sergio Mattarella, the President of Italy, cruised up to the drop
off in a Maserati with the licence plate ITA 1.

As is that.

No, it is a very old Devon C.C. registration.

I wonder if anyone associated with the Independent Television Authority
ever had that.

GH

[Charles Ellson]

Post by Marland

Post by Charles Ellson

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk

Post by Recliner

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk

Post by Recliner
Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.
World leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to
attend the funeral at Westminster Abbey on September 19 ? and will instead
be bussed in en masse from a site in west London.
?
Westminster Abbey will be so packed for the event that it will be
impossible for more than a single, senior representative per country and
their other half to attend, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (FCDO) lamented in the official protocol message regarding the
event.
In the document, sent to overseas embassies late Saturday night, the
department said it ?regrets that, because of limited space at the state
funeral service and associated events, no other members of the principal
guest?s family, staff or entourage may be admitted.?
Heads of state unable to attend may choose someone else as their official
representative, such as a head of government or senior minister.
<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral/>

Heads of State in a bus/coach? Can?t see Biden going by bus! Whole,idea
sounds like a security nightmare. All eggs in one basket and all that.

Secret Service simply would not permit Biden to travel in anything but
the Beast.

From
<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/09/19/queen-funeral-seating-plan-guests-joe-biden/>
While Mr Biden arrived in his armoured car, The Beast, others were spotted
catching the bus.
Coach services laid on by the authorities departed from outside Royal
Hospital Chelsea, where a line of police had closed off the road to welcome
visiting dignitaries.
Those spotted turning up in the hours before the funeral included royals
like Philippe, King of Belgium, and Carl XVI Gustaf, King of Sweden, who
both arrived in Volvos.
Frank Walter-Steinmeir, the President of Germany, arrived in a black BMW
with the number plate GER 1

That's a diplomatic vehicle registration plate

It isn't, it is a standard (but rather old) registration as is usual
with many countries' ambassadors' cars. Diplomatic plates are in the
form of nnn D nnn.

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk

Post by Recliner
Later on Sergio Mattarella, the President of Italy, cruised up to the drop
off in a Maserati with the licence plate ITA 1.

As is that.

No, it is a very old Devon C.C. registration.

I wonder if anyone associated with the Independent Television Authority
ever had that.

I suspect they have had it since long before the ITA was around.
There are other oddities such as e.g. ZIM 1 which would have been an
old Irish registration but which DVLA seems to have created along with
others as specials for diplomatic cars.

[London calling]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 14:18:09 +0100, Charles Ellson

Post by Charles Ellson

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk

Post by Recliner
Later on Sergio Mattarella, the President of Italy, cruised up to the drop
off in a Maserati with the licence plate ITA 1.

As is that.

No, it is a very old Devon C.C. registration.

No, letter I is not used in UK registrations due to posible confusion
with number 1. The normal series would have jumped from HTA to JTA
when they were issued.

It's definitely diplomatic.

[Tweed]

Post by London calling
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 14:18:09 +0100, Charles Ellson

Post by Charles Ellson

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk

Post by Recliner
Later on Sergio Mattarella, the President of Italy, cruised up to the drop
off in a Maserati with the licence plate ITA 1.

As is that.

No, it is a very old Devon C.C. registration.

No, letter I is not used in UK registrations due to posible confusion
with number 1. The normal series would have jumped from HTA to JTA
when they were issued.
It's definitely diplomatic.

It shows up on the MOT checker. But doesn’t show up on the road tax
checker.

[Certes]

Post by London calling
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 14:18:09 +0100, Charles Ellson

Post by Charles Ellson

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk

Post by Recliner
Later on Sergio Mattarella, the President of Italy, cruised up to the drop
off in a Maserati with the licence plate ITA 1.

As is that.

No, it is a very old Devon C.C. registration.

No, letter I is not used in UK registrations due to posible confusion
with number 1. The normal series would have jumped from HTA to JTA
when they were issued.
It's definitely diplomatic.

To be pedantic (because it's Usenet), I is used in the UK, but not in GB
and not in that position.

[Robin]

Post by Certes

Post by London calling
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 14:18:09 +0100, Charles Ellson

Post by Charles Ellson

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk

Post by Recliner
Later on Sergio Mattarella, the President of Italy, cruised up to the drop
off in a Maserati with the licence plate ITA 1.

As is that.

No, it is a very old Devon C.C. registration.

No, letter I is not used in UK registrations due to posible confusion
with number 1.  The normal series would have jumped from HTA to JTA
when they were issued.
It's definitely diplomatic.

To be pedantic (because it's Usenet), I is used in the UK, but not in GB
and not in that position.

In similar vein each embassy and high commission is entitled to one car
for official use with a "flag" number. The usual rules don't apply to
them. I've also seen IND1 and ZIM1. But they have to be approved by
DVLA & FCO so I suspect no chance of GOD1.

[Chris J Dixon]

Post by Robin
In similar vein each embassy and high commission is entitled to one car
for official use with a "flag" number. The usual rules don't apply to
them. I've also seen IND1 and ZIM1. But they have to be approved by
DVLA & FCO so I suspect no chance of GOD1.

Maybe, but Barnsley's mayoral conveyance used to be THE 1, back
when HE was the local index.

Chris

[h***@yahoo.co.uk]

Post by Robin

Post by Certes

Post by London calling
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 14:18:09 +0100, Charles Ellson

Post by Charles Ellson

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk

Post by Recliner
Later on Sergio Mattarella, the President of Italy, cruised up to the drop
off in a Maserati with the licence plate ITA 1.

As is that.

No, it is a very old Devon C.C. registration.

No, letter I is not used in UK registrations due to posible confusion
with number 1.  The normal series would have jumped from HTA to JTA
when they were issued.
It's definitely diplomatic.

To be pedantic (because it's Usenet), I is used in the UK, but not in GB
and not in that position.

In similar vein each embassy and high commission is entitled to one car
for official use with a "flag" number.  The usual rules don't apply to
them.  I've also seen IND1 and ZIM1.

And I've seen ZAM 1.

[Certes]

Post by Robin

Post by Certes

Post by London calling
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 14:18:09 +0100, Charles Ellson

Post by Charles Ellson

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk

Post by Recliner
Later on Sergio Mattarella, the President of Italy, cruised up to the drop
off in a Maserati with the licence plate ITA 1.

As is that.

No, it is a very old Devon C.C. registration.

No, letter I is not used in UK registrations due to posible confusion
with number 1.  The normal series would have jumped from HTA to JTA
when they were issued.
It's definitely diplomatic.

To be pedantic (because it's Usenet), I is used in the UK, but not in GB
and not in that position.

In similar vein each embassy and high commission is entitled to one car
for official use with a "flag" number.  The usual rules don't apply to
them.  I've also seen IND1 and ZIM1.  But they have to be approved by
DVLA & FCO so I suspect no chance of GOD1.

I expect they get the ISO code, so countries don't squabble over
ambiguous prefixes like IND and NOR. GOD does not feature there.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-3>

[Recliner]

Post by Certes

Post by Robin

Post by Certes

Post by London calling
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 14:18:09 +0100, Charles Ellson

Post by Charles Ellson

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk

Post by Recliner
Later on Sergio Mattarella, the President of Italy, cruised up to the drop
off in a Maserati with the licence plate ITA 1.

As is that.

No, it is a very old Devon C.C. registration.

No, letter I is not used in UK registrations due to posible confusion
with number 1.  The normal series would have jumped from HTA to JTA
when they were issued.
It's definitely diplomatic.

To be pedantic (because it's Usenet), I is used in the UK, but not in GB
and not in that position.

In similar vein each embassy and high commission is entitled to one car
for official use with a "flag" number.  The usual rules don't apply to
them.  I've also seen IND1 and ZIM1.  But they have to be approved by
DVLA & FCO so I suspect no chance of GOD1.

I expect they get the ISO code, so countries don't squabble over
ambiguous prefixes like IND and NOR. GOD does not feature there.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-3>

I notice that one obvious ambiguous but undesirable one is committed: Niger
is NER while Nigeria is NGA.

[Certes]

Post by Recliner

Post by Certes

Post by Robin

Post by Certes

Post by London calling
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 14:18:09 +0100, Charles Ellson

Post by Charles Ellson

Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk

Post by Recliner
Later on Sergio Mattarella, the President of Italy, cruised up to the drop
off in a Maserati with the licence plate ITA 1.

As is that.

No, it is a very old Devon C.C. registration.

No, letter I is not used in UK registrations due to posible confusion
with number 1.  The normal series would have jumped from HTA to JTA
when they were issued.
It's definitely diplomatic.

To be pedantic (because it's Usenet), I is used in the UK, but not in GB
and not in that position.

In similar vein each embassy and high commission is entitled to one car
for official use with a "flag" number.  The usual rules don't apply to
them.  I've also seen IND1 and ZIM1.  But they have to be approved by
DVLA & FCO so I suspect no chance of GOD1.

I expect they get the ISO code, so countries don't squabble over
ambiguous prefixes like IND and NOR. GOD does not feature there.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-3>

I notice that one obvious ambiguous but undesirable one is committed: Niger
is NER while Nigeria is NGA.

That reminds me of a sad but funny social media post which I can no
longer find. A poster skilled in neither spelling nor geography was
demanding to know why an athlete had been forced to run with a offensive
term emblazoned on her vest. (She was proudly representing Niger.)

[ulf_kutzner]

Post by Tweed

Post by Recliner
Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.
World leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to
attend the funeral at Westminster Abbey on September 19 — and will instead
be bussed in en masse from a site in west London.
…
Westminster Abbey will be so packed for the event that it will be
impossible for more than a single, senior representative per country and
their other half to attend, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (FCDO) lamented in the official protocol message regarding the
event.
In the document, sent to overseas embassies late Saturday night, the
department said it “regrets that, because of limited space at the state
funeral service and associated events, no other members of the principal
guest’s family, staff or entourage may be admitted.”
Heads of state unable to attend may choose someone else as their official
representative, such as a head of government or senior minister.
<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral/>

Heads of State in a bus/coach?

Not exactly heads of State but European leaders in Esbjerg:
https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckcars/comments/usy09r/heads_of_government_but_in_a_bus/

Regards, ULF

[M***@dastardlyhq.com]

On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 12:59:29 +0000

Post by Recliner

Post by Tweed

Post by Recliner
Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.
World leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to
attend the funeral at Westminster Abbey on September 19 — and will instead
be bussed in en masse from a site in west London.


Westminster Abbey will be so packed for the event that it will be
impossible for more than a single, senior representative per country and
their other half to attend, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (FCDO) lamented in the official protocol message regarding the
event.
In the document, sent to overseas embassies late Saturday night, the
department said it “regrets that, because of limited space at the state
funeral service and associated events, no other members of the principal
guest’s family, staff or entourage may be admitted.”
Heads of state unable to attend may choose someone else as their official
representative, such as a head of government or senior minister.

<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles-westmin
ster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral/>

Post by Tweed
Heads of State in a bus/coach?

https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckcars/comments/usy09r/heads_of_government_but_in_a_
bus/

A lot of them got bussed around at the Queens Funeral last year too. Naturally
Biden refused and took his armoured car and a platoon of secret service instead
and IIRC Macron was a "Non!" too.

[Recliner]

Post by M***@dastardlyhq.com
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 12:59:29 +0000

Post by Recliner

Post by Tweed

Post by Recliner
Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.
World leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to
attend the funeral at Westminster Abbey on September 19 — and will instead
be bussed in en masse from a site in west London.
…
Westminster Abbey will be so packed for the event that it will be
impossible for more than a single, senior representative per country and
their other half to attend, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (FCDO) lamented in the official protocol message regarding the
event.
In the document, sent to overseas embassies late Saturday night, the
department said it “regrets that, because of limited space at the state
funeral service and associated events, no other members of the principal
guest’s family, staff or entourage may be admitted.”
Heads of state unable to attend may choose someone else as their official
representative, such as a head of government or senior minister.

<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles-westmin
ster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral/>

Post by Tweed
Heads of State in a bus/coach?

https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckcars/comments/usy09r/heads_of_government_but_in_a_
bus/

A lot of them got bussed around at the Queens Funeral last year too. Naturally
Biden refused and took his armoured car and a platoon of secret service instead
and IIRC Macron was a "Non!" too.

That's what this old thread was about — look at the title!

[M***@dastardlyhq.com]

On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 15:23:22 GMT

Post by ulf_kutzner

Post by M***@dastardlyhq.com
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 12:59:29 +0000

https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckcars/comments/usy09r/heads_of_government_but_in_a_

Post by M***@dastardlyhq.com

bus/

A lot of them got bussed around at the Queens Funeral last year too.

Naturally

Post by M***@dastardlyhq.com
Biden refused and took his armoured car and a platoon of secret service

instead

Post by M***@dastardlyhq.com
and IIRC Macron was a "Non!" too.

That's what this old thread was about — look at the title!

Oh well, its one field out of many in the header. Easy to miss.

[ulf_kutzner]

Post by M***@dastardlyhq.com
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 12:59:29 +0000

Post by Recliner

Post by Tweed

Post by Recliner
Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.
World leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to
attend the funeral at Westminster Abbey on September 19 — and will instead
be bussed in en masse from a site in west London.
…
Westminster Abbey will be so packed for the event that it will be
impossible for more than a single, senior representative per country and
their other half to attend, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (FCDO) lamented in the official protocol message regarding the
event.
In the document, sent to overseas embassies late Saturday night, the
department said it “regrets that, because of limited space at the state
funeral service and associated events, no other members of the principal
guest’s family, staff or entourage may be admitted.”
Heads of state unable to attend may choose someone else as their official
representative, such as a head of government or senior minister.

<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles-westmin
ster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral/>

Post by Tweed
Heads of State in a bus/coach?

https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckcars/comments/usy09r/heads_of_government_but_in_a_
bus/

A lot of them got bussed around at the Queens Funeral last year too.

Sure. I read the subject...

Post by M***@dastardlyhq.com
Naturally
Biden refused and took his armoured car and a platoon of secret service instead
and IIRC Macron was a "Non!" too.

. and all posts made on/under the subject in the other group.

Regards, ULF

[M***@dastardlyhq.com]

On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 15:22:05 +0000

Post by ulf_kutzner

Post by M***@dastardlyhq.com
A lot of them got bussed around at the Queens Funeral last year too.

Sure. I read the subject...

Post by M***@dastardlyhq.com
Naturally
Biden refused and took his armoured car and a platoon of secret service

instead

Post by M***@dastardlyhq.com
and IIRC Macron was a "Non!" too.

.. and all posts made on/under the subject in the other group.

Funny.

[Allan]

Post by Recliner
Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.
World leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to
attend the funeral at Westminster Abbey on September 19 — and will instead
be bussed in en masse from a site in west London.
…
Westminster Abbey will be so packed for the event that it will be
impossible for more than a single, senior representative per country and
their other half to attend, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (FCDO) lamented in the official protocol message regarding the
event.
In the document, sent to overseas embassies late Saturday night, the
department said it “regrets that, because of limited space at the state
funeral service and associated events, no other members of the principal
guest’s family, staff or entourage may be admitted.”
Heads of state unable to attend may choose someone else as their official
representative, such as a head of government or senior minister.
<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral/>

There's always Zoom :-)

[Bevan Price]

Post by Recliner
Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.
World leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to
attend the funeral at Westminster Abbey on September 19 — and will instead
be bussed in en masse from a site in west London.
…
Westminster Abbey will be so packed for the event that it will be
impossible for more than a single, senior representative per country and
their other half to attend, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (FCDO) lamented in the official protocol message regarding the
event.
In the document, sent to overseas embassies late Saturday night, the
department said it “regrets that, because of limited space at the state
funeral service and associated events, no other members of the principal
guest’s family, staff or entourage may be admitted.”
Heads of state unable to attend may choose someone else as their official
representative, such as a head of government or senior minister.
<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral/>

Inevitably, there will probably be a few "special case exceptions".

[Recliner]

Post by Bevan Price

Post by Recliner
Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.
World leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to
attend the funeral at Westminster Abbey on September 19 — and will instead
be bussed in en masse from a site in west London.
…
Westminster Abbey will be so packed for the event that it will be
impossible for more than a single, senior representative per country and
their other half to attend, the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development
Office (FCDO) lamented in the official protocol message regarding the
event.
In the document, sent to overseas embassies late Saturday night, the
department said it “regrets that, because of limited space at the state
funeral service and associated events, no other members of the principal
guest’s family, staff or entourage may be admitted.”
Heads of state unable to attend may choose someone else as their official
representative, such as a head of government or senior minister.
<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral/>

Inevitably, there will probably be a few "special case exceptions".

Yes, I'm sure that's the case. But those arrivals may have to be spread
across multiple airports. They may then have to park their planes further
away, as happened with the ever-so-green COP event in Glasgow.

[Recliner]

One thing to remember in all this: we have a brand new PM, a brand new
Foreign Secretary, a brand new Home Secretary and only an acting chief of
the Metropolitan Police. Ironically, the only one who's an old hand at
state funerals, and has been preparing for this one for decades, is the one
person who is, by definition, new in his job.

[Graeme Wall]

Post by Recliner
One thing to remember in all this: we have a brand new PM, a brand new
Foreign Secretary, a brand new Home Secretary and only an acting chief of
the Metropolitan Police. Ironically, the only one who's an old hand at
state funerals, and has been preparing for this one for decades, is the one
person who is, by definition, new in his job.

And he has had no hand in the detailed organisation either.

[Roland Perry]

Post by Graeme Wall

Post by Recliner
One thing to remember in all this: we have a brand new PM, a brand new
Foreign Secretary, a brand new Home Secretary and only an acting chief of
the Metropolitan Police. Ironically, the only one who's an old hand at
state funerals, and has been preparing for this one for decades, is the one
person who is, by definition, new in his job.

And he has had no hand in the detailed organisation either.

I'm sure he has, because his wishes regarding what happens in the
current 10 (or whatever) days would need to be sought, in detail.

[Graeme Wall]

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Graeme Wall

Post by Recliner
One thing to remember in all this: we have a brand new PM, a brand new
Foreign Secretary, a brand new Home Secretary and only an acting chief of
the Metropolitan Police. Ironically, the only one who's an old hand at
state funerals, and has been preparing for this one for decades, is the one
person who is, by definition, new in his job.

And he has had no hand in the detailed organisation either.

I'm sure he has, because his wishes regarding what happens in the
current 10 (or whatever) days would need to be sought, in detail.

I was referring to the previous funerals, in the context of being "an
old hand".

[Roland Perry]

Post by Recliner
One thing to remember in all this: we have a brand new PM, a brand new
Foreign Secretary, a brand new Home Secretary and only an acting chief of
the Metropolitan Police. Ironically, the only one who's an old hand at
state funerals, and has been preparing for this one for decades, is the one
person who is, by definition, new in his job.

They had the chap who is actually in charge of planning this stuff on TV
earlier. He's been doing it for a very long time.

[David Williams]

Post by Recliner
Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.

<SNIP details of arrangements on the ground in or near London>

Post by Recliner
<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral/>

(Sorry!) A bit of plane spotting:

Japan's representatives seem to be using their own transport -
call sign JF01 has just landed at Stansted (18:20 BST) while JF02
diverged from the JF01 track near Milton Keynes and is now
heading east over Kent. (JF02 may be heading for Brussels.) In
each case, the aircraft is a Boeing 777-300ER.

Pakistan's Gulfstream 4 (or G450), call sign PFF756, has landed at
Luton, about 18:32 BST.

Nigeria's Dassault Falcon 7X, call sign NGR002, is declared for
Stansted, currently heading NW over Chessington.

The Nigerian and Pakistani planes are on Flightradar24; the
Japanese flights are hidden by FR24 but visible on (some) other
flight trackers.

There are probably others - these were just easy to find.

[Recliner]

Post by David Williams

Post by Recliner
Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.

<SNIP details of arrangements on the ground in or near London>

Post by Recliner
<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral/>

Japan's representatives seem to be using their own transport -
call sign JF01 has just landed at Stansted (18:20 BST) while JF02
diverged from the JF01 track near Milton Keynes and is now
heading east over Kent. (JF02 may be heading for Brussels.) In
each case, the aircraft is a Boeing 777-300ER.
Pakistan's Gulfstream 4 (or G450), call sign PFF756, has landed at
Luton, about 18:32 BST.
Nigeria's Dassault Falcon 7X, call sign NGR002, is declared for
Stansted, currently heading NW over Chessington.
The Nigerian and Pakistani planes are on Flightradar24; the
Japanese flights are hidden by FR24 but visible on (some) other
flight trackers.
There are probably others - these were just easy to find.

I found a YouTube video showing many of the leaders' planes arriving.

[Recliner]

Post by David Williams

Post by Recliner
Foreign heads of state and their spouses heading to London for the state
funeral for Queen Elizabeth II have been asked to arrive in the U.K. on
commercial flights and banned from using helicopters to get around.

<SNIP details of arrangements on the ground in or near London>

Post by Recliner
<https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral/>

Japan's representatives seem to be using their own transport -
call sign JF01 has just landed at Stansted (18:20 BST) while JF02
diverged from the JF01 track near Milton Keynes and is now
heading east over Kent. (JF02 may be heading for Brussels.) In
each case, the aircraft is a Boeing 777-300ER.
Pakistan's Gulfstream 4 (or G450), call sign PFF756, has landed at
Luton, about 18:32 BST.
Nigeria's Dassault Falcon 7X, call sign NGR002, is declared for
Stansted, currently heading NW over Chessington.
The Nigerian and Pakistani planes are on Flightradar24; the
Japanese flights are hidden by FR24 but visible on (some) other
flight trackers.
There are probably others - these were just easy to find.

I just saw a USAF C-17A fly over on its way into Northolt. It came from a
base in Germany. I assume it'll be carrying some of the POTUS vehicles back
home.