Siemens puts further £40m into Goole train manufacturing facility

[Recliner]

From
https://www.thetimes.com/article/91e26056-a7f6-415a-a78d-3fa006f2a082?shareToken=cb0ded32f3f01464fda74e10a86c6db2

Siemens has opened its train manufacturing facility in Goole, Yorkshire
announcing a further £40 million investment in the Goole Rail Village.

…

The new investment will be used to build a state-of-the-art Bogie Assembly
and Service Centre. It will expand Siemens Mobility’s current capabilities
to overhaul bogies — the framework that the train’s wheels are attached to
— from UK trains, including the 3,224-strong fleet it already maintains in
the UK.

It will also include new production lines for assembling bogies for new
trains, a first for Siemens in the UK. It is due to be operational towards
the end of 2026.

[Tweed]

Post by Recliner
From
https://www.thetimes.com/article/91e26056-a7f6-415a-a78d-3fa006f2a082?shareToken=cb0ded32f3f01464fda74e10a86c6db2
Siemens has opened its train manufacturing facility in Goole, Yorkshire
announcing a further £40 million investment in the Goole Rail Village.
…
The new investment will be used to build a state-of-the-art Bogie Assembly
and Service Centre. It will expand Siemens Mobility’s current capabilities
to overhaul bogies — the framework that the train’s wheels are attached to
— from UK trains, including the 3,224-strong fleet it already maintains in
the UK.
It will also include new production lines for assembling bogies for new
trains, a first for Siemens in the UK. It is due to be operational towards
the end of 2026.

Interesting that they are expanding given that it generally thought that
the UK has a surplus of train manufacturing capacity.

[Theo]

Post by Tweed
Interesting that they are expanding given that it generally thought that
the UK has a surplus of train manufacturing capacity.

I find it interesting that, aside from the odd exception that proves the
rule, all these factories are purely for UK-targeted production. We don't
seem to see trains being made in the UK and exported, unlike factories on
the Continent. So when UK demand falls there's no other work for them.

Curious to know whether these production lines might export (ie be a core
part of the Siemens operation) or just a local assembly facility for the UK
market.

Theo

[M***@DastartdlyHQ.org]

On 03 Oct 2024 10:42:13 +0100 (BST)

Post by Theo

Post by Tweed
Interesting that they are expanding given that it generally thought that
the UK has a surplus of train manufacturing capacity.

I find it interesting that, aside from the odd exception that proves the
rule, all these factories are purely for UK-targeted production. We don't
seem to see trains being made in the UK and exported, unlike factories on
the Continent. So when UK demand falls there's no other work for them.

Presumably too much hassle/money as UIC loading gauge stock couldn't be hauled
via rail to the continent, would have to go on the back of a lorry. Though
the channel tunnel locos are an exception and obviously in the past we built
larger and different track gauge locos for around the empire. How they made it
to the docks on 19th century roads I have no idea.

[Tweed]

Post by M***@DastartdlyHQ.org
On 03 Oct 2024 10:42:13 +0100 (BST)

Post by Theo

Post by Tweed
Interesting that they are expanding given that it generally thought that
the UK has a surplus of train manufacturing capacity.

I find it interesting that, aside from the odd exception that proves the
rule, all these factories are purely for UK-targeted production. We don't
seem to see trains being made in the UK and exported, unlike factories on
the Continent. So when UK demand falls there's no other work for them.

Presumably too much hassle/money as UIC loading gauge stock couldn't be hauled
via rail to the continent, would have to go on the back of a lorry. Though
the channel tunnel locos are an exception and obviously in the past we built
larger and different track gauge locos for around the empire. How they made it
to the docks on 19th century roads I have no idea.

The article mentioned building trains from their battery powered range for
export.

[Tweed]

Post by Tweed

Post by M***@DastartdlyHQ.org
On 03 Oct 2024 10:42:13 +0100 (BST)

Post by Theo

Post by Tweed
Interesting that they are expanding given that it generally thought that
the UK has a surplus of train manufacturing capacity.

I find it interesting that, aside from the odd exception that proves the
rule, all these factories are purely for UK-targeted production. We don't
seem to see trains being made in the UK and exported, unlike factories on
the Continent. So when UK demand falls there's no other work for them.

Presumably too much hassle/money as UIC loading gauge stock couldn't be hauled
via rail to the continent, would have to go on the back of a lorry. Though
the channel tunnel locos are an exception and obviously in the past we built
larger and different track gauge locos for around the empire. How they made it
to the docks on 19th century roads I have no idea.

The article mentioned building trains from their battery powered range for
export.

https://news.siemens.co.uk/news/under-embargo-new-goole-train-manufacturing-facility-opening-marks-significant-milestone-for-siemens-mobilitys-commitment-to-the-north-of-england

(Not very under embargo!)

In addition to this, all of Siemens’ future UK train orders including
Siemens Mobility’s new battery trains will be built at Goole, which is also
gearing up to serving other global markets by 2030

[M***@DastartdlyHQ.org]

On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 10:33:20 -0000 (UTC)

Post by M***@DastartdlyHQ.org

Post by M***@DastartdlyHQ.org
Presumably too much hassle/money as UIC loading gauge stock couldn't be

hauled

Post by M***@DastartdlyHQ.org
via rail to the continent, would have to go on the back of a lorry. Though
the channel tunnel locos are an exception and obviously in the past we built
larger and different track gauge locos for around the empire. How they made

it

Post by M***@DastartdlyHQ.org
to the docks on 19th century roads I have no idea.

The article mentioned building trains from their battery powered range for
export.

Well fair enough. Wonder how they plan on getting them to the ship? Unless
they're small shunters and can be hauled on UK tracks.

[Nick Finnigan]

Post by M***@DastartdlyHQ.org
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 10:33:20 -0000 (UTC)

Post by M***@DastartdlyHQ.org

Post by M***@DastartdlyHQ.org
Presumably too much hassle/money as UIC loading gauge stock couldn't be

hauled

Post by M***@DastartdlyHQ.org
via rail to the continent, would have to go on the back of a lorry. Though
the channel tunnel locos are an exception and obviously in the past we built
larger and different track gauge locos for around the empire. How they made

it

Post by M***@DastartdlyHQ.org
to the docks on 19th century roads I have no idea.

The article mentioned building trains from their battery powered range for
export.

Well fair enough. Wonder how they plan on getting them to the ship? Unless
they're small shunters and can be hauled on UK tracks.

It's only a mile to Goole Docks (not to be confused with Google Docs).

[Sam Wilson]

Post by M***@DastartdlyHQ.org
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 10:33:20 -0000 (UTC)

Post by M***@DastartdlyHQ.org

Post by M***@DastartdlyHQ.org
Presumably too much hassle/money as UIC loading gauge stock couldn't be

hauled

Post by M***@DastartdlyHQ.org
via rail to the continent, would have to go on the back of a lorry. Though
the channel tunnel locos are an exception and obviously in the past we built
larger and different track gauge locos for around the empire. How they made

it

Post by M***@DastartdlyHQ.org
to the docks on 19th century roads I have no idea.

The article mentioned building trains from their battery powered range for
export.

Well fair enough. Wonder how they plan on getting them to the ship? Unless
they're small shunters and can be hauled on UK tracks.

Possibly stock for smaller gauge lines - battery powered stock is likely to
be for branch, metro or tram lines. I have no idea how many of those would
fit into the BR loading gauge, though, even on skates or standard gauge
accommodation bogies.

Sam

[Tweed]

Post by Sam Wilson

Post by M***@DastartdlyHQ.org
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 10:33:20 -0000 (UTC)

Post by M***@DastartdlyHQ.org

Post by M***@DastartdlyHQ.org
Presumably too much hassle/money as UIC loading gauge stock couldn't be

hauled

Post by M***@DastartdlyHQ.org
via rail to the continent, would have to go on the back of a lorry. Though
the channel tunnel locos are an exception and obviously in the past we built
larger and different track gauge locos for around the empire. How they made

it

Post by M***@DastartdlyHQ.org
to the docks on 19th century roads I have no idea.

The article mentioned building trains from their battery powered range for
export.

Well fair enough. Wonder how they plan on getting them to the ship? Unless
they're small shunters and can be hauled on UK tracks.

Possibly stock for smaller gauge lines - battery powered stock is likely to
be for branch, metro or tram lines. I have no idea how many of those would
fit into the BR loading gauge, though, even on skates or standard gauge
accommodation bogies.
Sam

Road transport to the docks?

[Sam Wilson]

Post by Tweed

Post by Sam Wilson

Post by M***@DastartdlyHQ.org
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 10:33:20 -0000 (UTC)

Post by M***@DastartdlyHQ.org

Post by M***@DastartdlyHQ.org
Presumably too much hassle/money as UIC loading gauge stock couldn't be

hauled

Post by M***@DastartdlyHQ.org
via rail to the continent, would have to go on the back of a lorry. Though
the channel tunnel locos are an exception and obviously in the past we built
larger and different track gauge locos for around the empire. How they made

it

Post by M***@DastartdlyHQ.org
to the docks on 19th century roads I have no idea.

The article mentioned building trains from their battery powered range for
export.

Well fair enough. Wonder how they plan on getting them to the ship? Unless
they're small shunters and can be hauled on UK tracks.

Possibly stock for smaller gauge lines - battery powered stock is likely to
be for branch, metro or tram lines. I have no idea how many of those would
fit into the BR loading gauge, though, even on skates or standard gauge
accommodation bogies.
Sam

Road transport to the docks?

I expect so.

Sam

[Marland]

Post by M***@DastartdlyHQ.org
On 03 Oct 2024 10:42:13 +0100 (BST)

Post by Theo
I find it interesting that, aside from the odd exception that proves the
rule, all these factories are purely for UK-targeted production. We don't
seem to see trains being made in the UK and exported, unlike factories on
the Continent. So when UK demand falls there's no other work for them.

Presumably too much hassle/money as UIC loading gauge stock couldn't be hauled
via rail to the continent, would have to go on the back of a lorry. Though
the channel tunnel locos are an exception and obviously in the past we built
larger and different track gauge locos for around the empire. How they made it
to the docks on 19th century roads I have no idea.

On road transporters hauled by traction engines or in later years large
Scammel type tractor units and coupled together in tandem or another
pushing if needed.

By the 19th century roads in the industrial towns to the docks were not too
bad a standard with surfaces made from granite setts or wooden blocks that
were sprinkled with sand an ash when wet,moving large industrial plant was
part of daily life. Things like factory and ships boilers also far too
large to fit on rail were regularly moved by specialists as they are now.
The equipment has got more sophisticated but the job is basically the same.

<Loading Image...>

The Great Dorset Steam Fair when it took place often did a demonstration
of how it was once done.
scroll to 2.28.

Unfortunately the Fair is no longer held due to Pikey infestation.

GH

[Alan Lee]

Post by Marland
The Great Dorset Steam Fair when it took place often did a demonstration
of how it was once done.
scroll to 2.28.
http://youtu.be/HAL2VCTHO34
Unfortunately the Fair is no longer held due to Pikey infestation.

Or rather the costs to run it have gone up dramatically, so they deemed
it not worthwhile to proceed, as they thought increased entrance fees
would reduce demand, so less footfall, which meant a 70% entrance fee
rise would be required to ensure they didnt lose money.

[Marland]

Post by Alan Lee

Post by Marland
The Great Dorset Steam Fair when it took place often did a demonstration
of how it was once done.
scroll to 2.28.
http://youtu.be/HAL2VCTHO34
Unfortunately the Fair is no longer held due to Pikey infestation.

Or rather the costs to run it have gone up dramatically, so they deemed
it not worthwhile to proceed, as they thought increased entrance fees
would reduce demand, so less footfall, which meant a 70% entrance fee
rise would be required to ensure they didnt lose money.

That is part of it ,but some of those increased costs were contributions to
setting up temporary travellers sites as they had a habit of rocking up on
verges, school playing fields and all the usual places such people occupy
and leave in a disgusting state. And as their numbers increased as the
event became part of the travellers calender like Wickham and Appleby
horsefairs the atmosphere
at times in the evenings as the travellers attempted to take over certain
bars and intimidate ordinary visitors was becoming unpleasant so less
people visited in the evening, and thefts both within the showground and
the surrounding areas were getting out of hand generators from other
visitors and exhibitors in the camping grounds being a favourite. I live
about 10 miles from the ground in the weeks preceding everyone locked their
sheds, farmers blocked entrances with concrete barriers and an air of
tension descended as the Caravans started to appear, the joke became that
you visited the second hand stalls at the show to buy your chainsaw back.
Local shops suffered, a trick the travellers use is to send in a child who
urinates into a food freezer , the shop is forced to dispose of the stock
into a bin from which the adults pick out the packages and wash them under
a tap.And then threaten the shopkeeper that there will be consequences if
they report it.

It was a shame the GDSF went that way but it is not missed by many who
lived near it.

But the economic story is the easy non controversial one to put out as
Travellers despite their antisocial habits are a protected group who can
just shout”discrimination “ if people complain about them.

GH

[M***@DastartdlyHQ.org]

On 3 Oct 2024 17:16:56 GMT

Post by Marland
Unfortunately the Fair is no longer held due to Pikey infestation.

You can't say that about them! They're a valid ethnic group with their own
culture (no sniggering at the back) who face everyday discrimination. They're
not simply a bunch of inbred aggressive halfwits unwilling to do proper jobs
and so live in caravans, thieve their way around the country and cause problems
whereever they go.

I suppose the only plus side is at least in the caravans they eventually
piss off , can you imagine having them as neighbours in a house?

[Coffee]

Post by M***@DastartdlyHQ.org
On 3 Oct 2024 17:16:56 GMT

Post by Marland
Unfortunately the Fair is no longer held due to Pikey infestation.

You can't say that about them! They're a valid ethnic group with their own
culture (no sniggering at the back) who face everyday discrimination. They're
not simply a bunch of inbred aggressive halfwits unwilling to do proper jobs
and so live in caravans, thieve their way around the country and cause problems
whereever they go.
I suppose the only plus side is at least in the caravans they eventually
piss off , can you imagine having them as neighbours in a house?

I believe the fun fair which provided the fun fair has not closed down.

[Coffee]

Post by Coffee

Post by M***@DastartdlyHQ.org
On 3 Oct 2024 17:16:56 GMT

Post by Marland
Unfortunately the Fair is no longer held due to Pikey infestation.

You can't say that about them! They're a valid ethnic group with their own
culture (no sniggering at the back) who face everyday discrimination. They're
not simply a bunch of inbred aggressive halfwits unwilling to do proper jobs
and so live in caravans, thieve their way around the country and cause problems
whereever they go.
I suppose the only plus side is at least in the caravans they eventually
piss off , can you imagine having them as neighbours in a house?

I believe the fun fair which provided the fun fair has not closed down.

Oopsie doodle. Now closed down.

[Marland]

Post by Coffee

Post by Coffee
I believe the fun fair which provided the fun fair has not closed down.

Oopsie doodle. Now closed down.

Were you thinking of the Carters Steam Fair?
They certainly attended the GDSF but were not exclusive ,other operators
attended as well.
Unusually the Carter family were not long time travelling showmen but were
more enthusiasts with a love for vintage rides that they started to collect
and restore in the mid 1970’s .
The red tape of modern life and getting council,permissions to operate a
pitch seemed to be a factor in the decision to sell up , they were hoping
for most to go to a single buyer ideally with a site where the rides could
be set up permanently but none came forward so items have gone to new homes
or are still awaiting a purchaser.

GH

[Anna Noyd-Dryver]

Post by Theo

Post by Tweed
Interesting that they are expanding given that it generally thought that
the UK has a surplus of train manufacturing capacity.

I find it interesting that, aside from the odd exception that proves the
rule, all these factories are purely for UK-targeted production. We don't
seem to see trains being made in the UK and exported, unlike factories on
the Continent. So when UK demand falls there's no other work for them.
Curious to know whether these production lines might export (ie be a core
part of the Siemens operation) or just a local assembly facility for the UK
market.

Presumably loading gauge forms part of the reason for this?

Perhaps someone should build a train factory in the Dagenham area, with
direct access to HS1 as well as NR?

Having said that, the CAF factory near Newport doesn't appear to be rail
connected at all, despite being right next to a line…

[Ulf_Kutzner]

Post by Anna Noyd-Dryver

Post by Theo

Post by Tweed
Interesting that they are expanding given that it generally thought that
the UK has a surplus of train manufacturing capacity.

I find it interesting that, aside from the odd exception that proves the
rule, all these factories are purely for UK-targeted production. We don't
seem to see trains being made in the UK and exported, unlike factories on
the Continent. So when UK demand falls there's no other work for them.
Curious to know whether these production lines might export (ie be a core
part of the Siemens operation) or just a local assembly facility for the UK
market.

Presumably loading gauge forms part of the reason for this?
Perhaps someone should build a train factory in the Dagenham area, with
direct access to HS1 as well as NR?
Having said that, the CAF factory near Newport doesn't appear to be rail
connected at all, despite being right next to a line…

How did they deliver rolling stock?

However, closed down by 2020:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAF_Newport#History

Regards, ULF

[Marland]

Post by Ulf_Kutzner

Post by Anna Noyd-Dryver

Post by Theo

Post by Tweed
Interesting that they are expanding given that it generally thought that
the UK has a surplus of train manufacturing capacity.

I find it interesting that, aside from the odd exception that proves the
rule, all these factories are purely for UK-targeted production. We don't
seem to see trains being made in the UK and exported, unlike factories on
the Continent. So when UK demand falls there's no other work for them.
Curious to know whether these production lines might export (ie be a core
part of the Siemens operation) or just a local assembly facility for the UK
market.

Presumably loading gauge forms part of the reason for this?
Perhaps someone should build a train factory in the Dagenham area, with
direct access to HS1 as well as NR?
Having said that, the CAF factory near Newport doesn't appear to be rail
connected at all, despite being right next to a line…

How did they deliver rolling stock?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAF_Newport#History
Regards, ULF

Trouble with j dashing to Wikipedia just so you can butt in on every
subject even though you have no previous knowledge on it is that
information is quite likely to be inaccurate.

<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-67370072>

GH

[Anna Noyd-Dryver]

Post by Ulf_Kutzner

Post by Anna Noyd-Dryver

Post by Theo

Post by Tweed
Interesting that they are expanding given that it generally thought that
the UK has a surplus of train manufacturing capacity.

I find it interesting that, aside from the odd exception that proves the
rule, all these factories are purely for UK-targeted production. We don't
seem to see trains being made in the UK and exported, unlike factories on
the Continent. So when UK demand falls there's no other work for them.
Curious to know whether these production lines might export (ie be a core
part of the Siemens operation) or just a local assembly facility for the UK
market.

Presumably loading gauge forms part of the reason for this?
Perhaps someone should build a train factory in the Dagenham area, with
direct access to HS1 as well as NR?
Having said that, the CAF factory near Newport doesn't appear to be rail
connected at all, despite being right next to a line…

How did they deliver rolling stock?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAF_Newport#History

I think that article is very much in need of updating; the majority of
TfW's Class 197 fleet have been built there since then!

[Sam Wilson]

Post by Anna Noyd-Dryver

Post by Theo

Post by Tweed
Interesting that they are expanding given that it generally thought that
the UK has a surplus of train manufacturing capacity.

I find it interesting that, aside from the odd exception that proves the
rule, all these factories are purely for UK-targeted production. We don't
seem to see trains being made in the UK and exported, unlike factories on
the Continent. So when UK demand falls there's no other work for them.
Curious to know whether these production lines might export (ie be a core
part of the Siemens operation) or just a local assembly facility for the UK
market.

Presumably loading gauge forms part of the reason for this?
Perhaps someone should build a train factory in the Dagenham area, with
direct access to HS1 as well as NR?
Having said that, the CAF factory near Newport doesn't appear to be rail
connected at all, despite being right next to a line…

Google’s aerial shot shows a lifted connection from the CAF factory to the
Llanwern line, but the accompanying photos - many seem to be publicity
shots - show what looks like newly laid line in that location.

Sam

[Theo]

Post by Sam Wilson

Post by Anna Noyd-Dryver
Having said that, the CAF factory near Newport doesn't appear to be rail
connected at all, despite being right next to a line…

Google’s aerial shot shows a lifted connection from the CAF factory to the
Llanwern line, but the accompanying photos - many seem to be publicity
shots - show what looks like newly laid line in that location.

There was something about a gas main being in the way - perhaps they've
sorted that now?

Theo

[Anna Noyd-Dryver]

Post by Sam Wilson

Post by Anna Noyd-Dryver

Post by Theo

Post by Tweed
Interesting that they are expanding given that it generally thought that
the UK has a surplus of train manufacturing capacity.

I find it interesting that, aside from the odd exception that proves the
rule, all these factories are purely for UK-targeted production. We don't
seem to see trains being made in the UK and exported, unlike factories on
the Continent. So when UK demand falls there's no other work for them.
Curious to know whether these production lines might export (ie be a core
part of the Siemens operation) or just a local assembly facility for the UK
market.

Presumably loading gauge forms part of the reason for this?
Perhaps someone should build a train factory in the Dagenham area, with
direct access to HS1 as well as NR?
Having said that, the CAF factory near Newport doesn't appear to be rail
connected at all, despite being right next to a line…

Google’s aerial shot shows a lifted connection from the CAF factory to the
Llanwern line, but the accompanying photos - many seem to be publicity
shots - show what looks like newly laid line in that location.

You're right - that wasn't shown on Google last time I checked. Looks like
'ready to be connected' rather than 'lifted' tbh.

[Sam Wilson]

Post by Anna Noyd-Dryver

Post by Sam Wilson

Post by Anna Noyd-Dryver

Post by Theo

Post by Tweed
Interesting that they are expanding given that it generally thought that
the UK has a surplus of train manufacturing capacity.

I find it interesting that, aside from the odd exception that proves the
rule, all these factories are purely for UK-targeted production. We don't
seem to see trains being made in the UK and exported, unlike factories on
the Continent. So when UK demand falls there's no other work for them.
Curious to know whether these production lines might export (ie be a core
part of the Siemens operation) or just a local assembly facility for the UK
market.

Presumably loading gauge forms part of the reason for this?
Perhaps someone should build a train factory in the Dagenham area, with
direct access to HS1 as well as NR?
Having said that, the CAF factory near Newport doesn't appear to be rail
connected at all, despite being right next to a line…

Google’s aerial shot shows a lifted connection from the CAF factory to the
Llanwern line, but the accompanying photos - many seem to be publicity
shots - show what looks like newly laid line in that location.

You're right - that wasn't shown on Google last time I checked. Looks like
'ready to be connected' rather than 'lifted' tbh.

Ah yes, there’s no sign of a previous connection on the running lines, so
this is all new. Thanks.

Sam