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Post by Reclinerhttps://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/kensington-council-rejects-solution-for-je
wish-sects-tube-travel-ban-67685/
Good on the council, some common sense for a change. We shouldn't pander to
delusional religious extremists though why do I have a sneaking suspicion that
if they were a muslim sect the worthies in the council would have bent over
backwards to accomodate them.
What I don't get is why they can't some other rabbi to decide that as you
have to go outdoors to get between the foot tunnel and the museum, they
aren't under the same roof at all.
There used to be an exit from the subway which took you directly into
the entrance hall. It may well be that that is still in existence.
I don't think that's the issue. If it were, then their proposed solution
wouldn't be acceptable.
I'll gladly defer to your understanding of the halakha. I gave up even
trying many moons ago and took at face value their assertion that the
outside archway would break up "the one roof phenomenon". I would
however offer the possibility that the archway has effect (in Jewish
law) below the level of the pavement so as to sever the connection in
the subway which does continue into the Science Museum.
The black sheet steel between the two entrances is apparently important;
the unobtrusive archway alone isn't enough. So it must represent a wall
that extends beyond the slightly overhanging roof above, so there's no
unbroken path between the two entrances under the roof.
It seems people here aren't familiar how far the Sabbath rules go (though
https://www.star-k.org/articles/articles/seasonal/501/the-travelers-halachic-guide-to-hotels/
I first came across on a visit Jerusalem. I was going down to dinner, and
went to the lifts. I saw a group of people clustered around the far lift,
but the lift call light wasn't lit up. So I pressed the button, the lift
duly arrived, and the group all rushed across to join me. I duly pressed
the lift button to go the ground floor, and we travelled non-stop. Later, I
discovered that they weren't allowed to press the lift button, but were
waiting for the stopping lift that runs on the Sabbath. But once I'd
pressed the button, tgey were free to join me.
Making electrical circuits manually is forbidden. This means things like
lightswitches, lift call buttons and pedestrian crossing buttons are not
allowed. There is even an issue with refrigerator lights. Something that
happens independently of a person's actions can be utilised, though, and
an automatic system that was set in progress beforehand is fine. Hence
lights on a timer are OK, and a lift that endlessly runs stopping on
every floor is OK. Some fridges come with Sabbath mode where the
internal light is disabled on a timer.
The rules on getting assistance also pose peculiarities. If a gentile
does something of their own free will, it is totally fine to make use of
that. So in the lift example, because you wanted to go to the ground
floor yourself, it was fine for them to come along for the ride. It is
not, however, acceptable to ask for help. Askign someone to do something
forbidden is regarded as the same as doing it yourself. This led to the
odd concept of the Shabbos Goy, a gentile aquaintance who comes around
on the Sabbath and helps out by doing forbidden tasks. As it is
forbidden to both pay for the help and to directly ask for it, there
ensues an odd process of passing remarks about how it would be nice is
some task or other happened to be done (without actually asking for it
to be done), and of having a sum of money sitting in a place where the
goy might find it and take it away, with no explicit statement that it
is payment.