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Recliner
2023-11-17 11:20:17 UTC
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Video of the 24TS on a test run

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M***@dastardlyhq.com
2023-11-17 11:37:26 UTC
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Video of the 24TS on a test run
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Looks better in the flesh than in the publicity mockups.
Recliner
2023-11-17 12:20:21 UTC
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Video of the 24TS on a test run
https://x.com/ianvisits/status/1725454796411351084?s=61&t=hpa_q__1jHKBKNmXnN44Z
Q
Looks better in the flesh than in the publicity mockups.
The earlier shots of the first test train being delivered seemed to have some missing panels, which have now been
fitted.
M***@dastardlyhq.com
2023-11-17 16:10:54 UTC
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Video of the 24TS on a test run
https://x.com/ianvisits/status/1725454796411351084?s=61&t=hpa_q__1jHKBKNmXnN4
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Looks better in the flesh than in the publicity mockups.
The earlier shots of the first test train being delivered seemed to have some
missing panels, which have now been
fitted.
Could be that. I'm still not convinced those small windows are a good idea,
could make the interior claustrophic but I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Recliner
2023-11-17 23:15:06 UTC
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Video of the 24TS on a test run
https://x.com/ianvisits/status/1725454796411351084?s=61&t=hpa_q__1jHKBKNmXnN4
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Looks better in the flesh than in the publicity mockups.
The earlier shots of the first test train being delivered seemed to have some
missing panels, which have now been
fitted.
Could be that. I'm still not convinced those small windows are a good idea,
could make the interior claustrophic but I guess we'll find out soon enough.
They remind me of Shinkansen windows.
Marland
2023-11-18 21:31:13 UTC
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Post by Recliner
Video of the 24TS on a test run
https://x.com/ianvisits/status/1725454796411351084?s=61&t=hpa_q__1jHKBKNmXnN4
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Looks better in the flesh than in the publicity mockups.
The earlier shots of the first test train being delivered seemed to have some
missing panels, which have now been
fitted.
Could be that. I'm still not convinced those small windows are a good idea,
could make the interior claustrophic but I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Lets them have a bigger area for adverts ,maps and notices .OTOH many
passengers will be looking at electronic devices rather than out of the
windows and I suppose on the open sections solar gain will be less on a hot
sunny day,
GH
Recliner
2023-11-18 21:57:30 UTC
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Post by Recliner
Video of the 24TS on a test run
https://x.com/ianvisits/status/1725454796411351084?s=61&t=hpa_q__1jHKBKNmXnN4
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Looks better in the flesh than in the publicity mockups.
The earlier shots of the first test train being delivered seemed to have some
missing panels, which have now been
fitted.
Could be that. I'm still not convinced those small windows are a good idea,
could make the interior claustrophic but I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Lets them have a bigger area for adverts ,maps and notices .OTOH many
passengers will be looking at electronic devices rather than out of the
windows and I suppose on the open sections solar gain will be less on a hot
sunny day,
Yes, and it helps reduce the train's weight. There may also be cool air
ducts hidden in some of those frames.

Of course, with modern trains it's less necessary to be able to see station
names through the windows, as internal displays and automated announcements
perform that function.
Graeme Wall
2023-11-18 22:02:55 UTC
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Video of the 24TS on a test run
https://x.com/ianvisits/status/1725454796411351084?s=61&t=hpa_q__1jHKBKNmXnN4
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Looks better in the flesh than in the publicity mockups.
The earlier shots of the first test train being delivered seemed to have some
missing panels, which have now been
fitted.
Could be that. I'm still not convinced those small windows are a good idea,
could make the interior claustrophic but I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Lets them have a bigger area for adverts ,maps and notices .OTOH many
passengers will be looking at electronic devices rather than out of the
windows and I suppose on the open sections solar gain will be less on a hot
sunny day,
Yes, and it helps reduce the train's weight. There may also be cool air
ducts hidden in some of those frames.
Of course, with modern trains it's less necessary to be able to see station
names through the windows, as internal displays and automated announcements
perform that function.
Back where we started with the padded cell cars on the Northern Line and
conductors calling out the names of the stations.
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Recliner
2023-11-19 13:33:13 UTC
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Video of the 24TS on a test run
https://x.com/ianvisits/status/1725454796411351084?s=61&t=hpa_q__1jHKBKNmXnN4
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Looks better in the flesh than in the publicity mockups.
The earlier shots of the first test train being delivered seemed to have some
missing panels, which have now been
fitted.
Could be that. I'm still not convinced those small windows are a good idea,
could make the interior claustrophic but I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Lets them have a bigger area for adverts ,maps and notices .OTOH many
passengers will be looking at electronic devices rather than out of the
windows and I suppose on the open sections solar gain will be less on a hot
sunny day,
Yes, and it helps reduce the train's weight. There may also be cool air
ducts hidden in some of those frames.
Of course, with modern trains it's less necessary to be able to see station
names through the windows, as internal displays and automated announcements
perform that function.
Back where we started with the padded cell cars on the Northern Line and
conductors calling out the names of the stations.
Yes, and all the passengers sitting facing each other.
M***@dastardlyhq.com
2023-11-20 09:36:09 UTC
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Video of the 24TS on a test run
https://x.com/ianvisits/status/1725454796411351084?s=61&t=hpa_q__1jHKBKNmXnN4
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Q
Looks better in the flesh than in the publicity mockups.
The earlier shots of the first test train being delivered seemed to have
some
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missing panels, which have now been
fitted.
Could be that. I'm still not convinced those small windows are a good idea,
could make the interior claustrophic but I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Lets them have a bigger area for adverts ,maps and notices .OTOH many
passengers will be looking at electronic devices rather than out of the
windows and I suppose on the open sections solar gain will be less on a hot
sunny day,
Yes, and it helps reduce the train's weight. There may also be cool air
ducts hidden in some of those frames.
Of course, with modern trains it's less necessary to be able to see station
names through the windows, as internal displays and automated announcements
perform that function.
Until they inevitably go wrong.
M***@dastardlyhq.com
2023-11-20 09:35:38 UTC
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Video of the 24TS on a test run
https://x.com/ianvisits/status/1725454796411351084?s=61&t=hpa_q__1jHKBKNmXnN4
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Q
Looks better in the flesh than in the publicity mockups.
The earlier shots of the first test train being delivered seemed to have
some
Post by M***@dastardlyhq.com
Post by Recliner
missing panels, which have now been
fitted.
Could be that. I'm still not convinced those small windows are a good idea,
could make the interior claustrophic but I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Lets them have a bigger area for adverts ,maps and notices .OTOH many
passengers will be looking at electronic devices rather than out of the
windows and I suppose on the open sections solar gain will be less on a hot
sunny day,
GH
You could use the same argument for mainline trains but I doubt tiny windows
would go down too well. It might be fine on the "&C for example but the vast
majority of the picc is above ground.
Recliner
2023-11-20 13:20:23 UTC
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Video of the 24TS on a test run
https://x.com/ianvisits/status/1725454796411351084?s=61&t=hpa_q__1jHKBKNmXnN4
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Q
Looks better in the flesh than in the publicity mockups.
The earlier shots of the first test train being delivered seemed to have
some
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Post by Recliner
missing panels, which have now been
fitted.
Could be that. I'm still not convinced those small windows are a good idea,
could make the interior claustrophic but I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Lets them have a bigger area for adverts ,maps and notices .OTOH many
passengers will be looking at electronic devices rather than out of the
windows and I suppose on the open sections solar gain will be less on a hot
sunny day,
GH
You could use the same argument for mainline trains but I doubt tiny windows
would go down too well. It might be fine on the "&C for example but the vast
majority of the picc is above ground.
The Pendos have pretty small windows.
M***@dastardlyhq.com
2023-11-20 16:59:36 UTC
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Video of the 24TS on a test run
https://x.com/ianvisits/status/1725454796411351084?s=61&t=hpa_q__1jHKBKNmXnN4
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Q
Looks better in the flesh than in the publicity mockups.
The earlier shots of the first test train being delivered seemed to have
some
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Post by Recliner
missing panels, which have now been
fitted.
Could be that. I'm still not convinced those small windows are a good idea,
could make the interior claustrophic but I guess we'll find out soon
enough.
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Post by Recliner
Lets them have a bigger area for adverts ,maps and notices .OTOH many
passengers will be looking at electronic devices rather than out of the
windows and I suppose on the open sections solar gain will be less on a hot
sunny day,
GH
You could use the same argument for mainline trains but I doubt tiny windows
would go down too well. It might be fine on the "&C for example but the vast
majority of the picc is above ground.
The Pendos have pretty small windows.
Not that small. Plus you're sitting alongside them and can turn your head to
look out. You're not straining to see outside across a crowded carraige.
I suppose you could do a 180 and look behind you but not east in a crowded
tube.
Recliner
2023-11-21 13:51:08 UTC
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Video of the 24TS on a test run
https://x.com/ianvisits/status/1725454796411351084?s=61&t=hpa_q__1jHKBKNmXnN4
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Q
Looks better in the flesh than in the publicity mockups.
The earlier shots of the first test train being delivered seemed to have
some
Post by M***@dastardlyhq.com
Post by Recliner
missing panels, which have now been
fitted.
Could be that. I'm still not convinced those small windows are a good idea,
could make the interior claustrophic but I guess we'll find out soon
enough.
Post by M***@dastardlyhq.com
Post by Recliner
Lets them have a bigger area for adverts ,maps and notices .OTOH many
passengers will be looking at electronic devices rather than out of the
windows and I suppose on the open sections solar gain will be less on a hot
sunny day,
GH
You could use the same argument for mainline trains but I doubt tiny windows
would go down too well. It might be fine on the "&C for example but the vast
majority of the picc is above ground.
The Pendos have pretty small windows.
Not that small. Plus you're sitting alongside them and can turn your head to
look out. You're not straining to see outside across a crowded carraige.
I suppose you could do a 180 and look behind you but not east in a crowded
tube.
Sure, but that's no different to the 73TS. I don't think the 24TS windows are shallower, but they do have more vertical
pillars (three smaller windows separated by wide pillars, rather than two longer windows). It could be that those
pillars are behind seats (ie, passengers' heads), so they may not actually reduce external visibility. As far as I can
tell, that is indeed the layout.
M***@dastardlyhq.com
2023-11-21 16:19:31 UTC
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longer windows). It could be that those
pillars are behind seats (ie, passengers' heads), so they may not actually
reduce external visibility. As far as I can
tell, that is indeed the layout.
Maybe. I still don't see the logic of having these windows though. Its going
backwards to the 1962 TS. Every stock since then has had large windows - even
the 83 TS in comparison - for good reasons and those reasons haven't gone
away. They don't even look good.
Recliner
2023-11-21 16:25:17 UTC
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longer windows). It could be that those
pillars are behind seats (ie, passengers' heads), so they may not actually
reduce external visibility. As far as I can
tell, that is indeed the layout.
Maybe. I still don't see the logic of having these windows though. Its going
backwards to the 1962 TS. Every stock since then has had large windows - even
the 83 TS in comparison - for good reasons and those reasons haven't gone
away. They don't even look good.
Are they shallower than the 73TS? Or just narrower?
M***@dastardlyhq.com
2023-11-21 17:11:57 UTC
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longer windows). It could be that those
pillars are behind seats (ie, passengers' heads), so they may not actually
reduce external visibility. As far as I can
tell, that is indeed the layout.
Maybe. I still don't see the logic of having these windows though. Its going
backwards to the 1962 TS. Every stock since then has had large windows - even
the 83 TS in comparison - for good reasons and those reasons haven't gone
away. They don't even look good.
Are they shallower than the 73TS? Or just narrower?
Look both to me but its hard to tell without seeing them next to each other.
Recliner
2023-11-21 17:39:19 UTC
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longer windows). It could be that those
pillars are behind seats (ie, passengers' heads), so they may not actually
reduce external visibility. As far as I can
tell, that is indeed the layout.
Maybe. I still don't see the logic of having these windows though. Its going
backwards to the 1962 TS. Every stock since then has had large windows - even
the 83 TS in comparison - for good reasons and those reasons haven't gone
away. They don't even look good.
Are they shallower than the 73TS? Or just narrower?
Look both to me but its hard to tell without seeing them next to each other.
As far as I can tell from the pictures, in both cases the windows start
just above the seat backs, and end at the point when the body starts to
curve inwards. So the heights will be about the same. But the new windows
are framed by thick, square pillars that look structural and carry cables
and cool air ducts from the aircon units under the seats.
M***@dastardlyhq.com
2023-11-22 09:15:09 UTC
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As far as I can tell from the pictures, in both cases the windows start
just above the seat backs, and end at the point when the body starts to
curve inwards. So the heights will be about the same. But the new windows
are framed by thick, square pillars that look structural and carry cables
and cool air ducts from the aircon units under the seats.
Geoff Marshal has done a good video about the train. Even he questions the
size of the windows but in the comments someone says like you that the pillars
are for aircon ducts. I'm surprised thats the best solution they could some
up with for ducting but there we go.


Recliner
2023-11-22 10:06:37 UTC
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As far as I can tell from the pictures, in both cases the windows start
just above the seat backs, and end at the point when the body starts to
curve inwards. So the heights will be about the same. But the new windows
are framed by thick, square pillars that look structural and carry cables
and cool air ducts from the aircon units under the seats.
Geoff Marshal has done a good video about the train. Even he questions the
size of the windows but in the comments someone says like you that the pillars
are for aircon ducts. I'm surprised thats the best solution they could some
up with for ducting but there we go.
http://youtu.be/mlP9cJOHEEc
How else would you get cooled air from below the seats to the vents in the
ceiling?
M***@dastardlyhq.com
2023-11-22 10:14:47 UTC
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As far as I can tell from the pictures, in both cases the windows start
just above the seat backs, and end at the point when the body starts to
curve inwards. So the heights will be about the same. But the new windows
are framed by thick, square pillars that look structural and carry cables
and cool air ducts from the aircon units under the seats.
Geoff Marshal has done a good video about the train. Even he questions the
size of the windows but in the comments someone says like you that the
pillars
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are for aircon ducts. I'm surprised thats the best solution they could some
up with for ducting but there we go.
http://youtu.be/mlP9cJOHEEc
How else would you get cooled air from below the seats to the vents in the
ceiling?
You have one fat duct going up where the border between the windows is in the
73 stock and then split it above. Simple.
Recliner
2023-11-22 10:52:46 UTC
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As far as I can tell from the pictures, in both cases the windows start
just above the seat backs, and end at the point when the body starts to
curve inwards. So the heights will be about the same. But the new windows
are framed by thick, square pillars that look structural and carry cables
and cool air ducts from the aircon units under the seats.
Geoff Marshal has done a good video about the train. Even he questions the
size of the windows but in the comments someone says like you that the
pillars
Post by M***@dastardlyhq.com
are for aircon ducts. I'm surprised thats the best solution they could some
up with for ducting but there we go.
http://youtu.be/mlP9cJOHEEc
How else would you get cooled air from below the seats to the vents in the
ceiling?
You have one fat duct going up where the border between the windows is in the
73 stock and then split it above. Simple.
You'd then need more ducting along the ceiling. Better to have two smaller ducts.
M***@dastardlyhq.com
2023-11-22 16:15:20 UTC
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As far as I can tell from the pictures, in both cases the windows start
just above the seat backs, and end at the point when the body starts to
curve inwards. So the heights will be about the same. But the new windows
are framed by thick, square pillars that look structural and carry cables
and cool air ducts from the aircon units under the seats.
Geoff Marshal has done a good video about the train. Even he questions the
size of the windows but in the comments someone says like you that the
pillars
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are for aircon ducts. I'm surprised thats the best solution they could
some
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up with for ducting but there we go.
http://youtu.be/mlP9cJOHEEc
How else would you get cooled air from below the seats to the vents in the
ceiling?
You have one fat duct going up where the border between the windows is in the
73 stock and then split it above. Simple.
You'd then need more ducting along the ceiling. Better to have two smaller ducts.
Better for whom? Not the passengers who'll have to squint out of small
portholes. Their solution gives the impression of cheap rather than necessary.
Recliner
2023-11-22 16:25:02 UTC
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As far as I can tell from the pictures, in both cases the windows start
just above the seat backs, and end at the point when the body starts to
curve inwards. So the heights will be about the same. But the new windows
are framed by thick, square pillars that look structural and carry cables
and cool air ducts from the aircon units under the seats.
Geoff Marshal has done a good video about the train. Even he questions the
size of the windows but in the comments someone says like you that the
pillars
Post by M***@dastardlyhq.com
are for aircon ducts. I'm surprised thats the best solution they could
some
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up with for ducting but there we go.
http://youtu.be/mlP9cJOHEEc
How else would you get cooled air from below the seats to the vents in the
ceiling?
You have one fat duct going up where the border between the windows is in the
73 stock and then split it above. Simple.
You'd then need more ducting along the ceiling. Better to have two smaller ducts.
Better for whom? Not the passengers who'll have to squint out of small
portholes. Their solution gives the impression of cheap rather than necessary.
Your suggestion would be cheaper, but worse.
M***@dastardlyhq.com
2023-11-23 09:47:55 UTC
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Better for whom? Not the passengers who'll have to squint out of small
portholes. Their solution gives the impression of cheap rather than
necessary.
Your suggestion would be cheaper, but worse.
Why worse? You think the air is going to suddenly heat up so much as to
be ineffective by having to travel an extra metre or 2?

Also having AC didn't require the S stock to have tiny windows. They're
"solution" appears to be half assed and done for cost reasons.
Recliner
2023-11-23 10:55:14 UTC
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Better for whom? Not the passengers who'll have to squint out of small
portholes. Their solution gives the impression of cheap rather than
necessary.
Your suggestion would be cheaper, but worse.
Why worse? You think the air is going to suddenly heat up so much as to
be ineffective by having to travel an extra metre or 2?
You would include a very wide pillar that completely blocked the outside
view from a number of seats, thus achieving the exact opposite of what you
want. The fans would also have to be more powerful, making the trains less
energy efficient and the aircon more noisy.
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Also having AC didn't require the S stock to have tiny windows. They're
"solution" appears to be half assed and done for cost reasons.
I think the aircon units are in the S stock roofs. Try doing that in a Tube
train!
M***@dastardlyhq.com
2023-11-23 15:57:47 UTC
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Better for whom? Not the passengers who'll have to squint out of small
portholes. Their solution gives the impression of cheap rather than
necessary.
Your suggestion would be cheaper, but worse.
Why worse? You think the air is going to suddenly heat up so much as to
be ineffective by having to travel an extra metre or 2?
You would include a very wide pillar that completely blocked the outside
view from a number of seats, thus achieving the exact opposite of what you
want. The fans would also have to be more powerful, making the trains less
energy efficient and the aircon more noisy.
Its air, not water. It doesn't need a huge pipe. High pressure tyre inflators
manage with something 1cm in diameter.
Recliner
2023-11-23 16:51:04 UTC
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On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:25:02 GMT
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Post by M***@dastardlyhq.com
Better for whom? Not the passengers who'll have to squint out of small
portholes. Their solution gives the impression of cheap rather than
necessary.
Your suggestion would be cheaper, but worse.
Why worse? You think the air is going to suddenly heat up so much as to
be ineffective by having to travel an extra metre or 2?
You would include a very wide pillar that completely blocked the outside
view from a number of seats, thus achieving the exact opposite of what you
want. The fans would also have to be more powerful, making the trains less
energy efficient and the aircon more noisy.
Its air, not water. It doesn't need a huge pipe. High pressure tyre inflators
manage with something 1cm in diameter.
So now you want to compress the cooled air??
M***@dastardlyhq.com
2023-11-23 17:05:13 UTC
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Post by Recliner
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On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:25:02 GMT
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Post by M***@dastardlyhq.com
Better for whom? Not the passengers who'll have to squint out of small
portholes. Their solution gives the impression of cheap rather than
necessary.
Your suggestion would be cheaper, but worse.
Why worse? You think the air is going to suddenly heat up so much as to
be ineffective by having to travel an extra metre or 2?
You would include a very wide pillar that completely blocked the outside
view from a number of seats, thus achieving the exact opposite of what you
want. The fans would also have to be more powerful, making the trains less
energy efficient and the aircon more noisy.
Its air, not water. It doesn't need a huge pipe. High pressure tyre inflators
manage with something 1cm in diameter.
So now you want to compress the cooled air??
Physics not your strong point? When its re-expanded it'll cool down to at or
below the temperature it went in at. This is after all how AC works, albeit
using HCFCs.
Recliner
2023-11-23 17:44:52 UTC
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 10:55:14 GMT
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On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:25:02 GMT
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Post by M***@dastardlyhq.com
Better for whom? Not the passengers who'll have to squint out of small
portholes. Their solution gives the impression of cheap rather than
necessary.
Your suggestion would be cheaper, but worse.
Why worse? You think the air is going to suddenly heat up so much as to
be ineffective by having to travel an extra metre or 2?
You would include a very wide pillar that completely blocked the outside
view from a number of seats, thus achieving the exact opposite of what you
want. The fans would also have to be more powerful, making the trains less
energy efficient and the aircon more noisy.
Its air, not water. It doesn't need a huge pipe. High pressure tyre inflators
manage with something 1cm in diameter.
So now you want to compress the cooled air??
Physics not your strong point? When its re-expanded it'll cool down to at or
below the temperature it went in at. This is after all how AC works, albeit
using HCFCs.
By now, your ugly, inconvenient solution is costing more than the much
better solution the real engineers have implemented. It's a good thing you
make bugs, not trains.
M***@dastardlyhq.com
2023-11-24 16:32:58 UTC
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Post by M***@dastardlyhq.com
Physics not your strong point? When its re-expanded it'll cool down to at or
below the temperature it went in at. This is after all how AC works, albeit
using HCFCs.
By now, your ugly, inconvenient solution is costing more than the much
better solution the real engineers have implemented. It's a good thing you
make bugs, not trains.
Better for the accountants maybe, not the passengers. But we all know they
don't count otherwise they wouldn't have replaced all the seats in the 73
stock with fabric covered concrete in the last few years.

Also I'm sure the AC in the new trains will work well enough to keep people
happy while the train is stuck in yet another tunnel due to the knackered
signalling which is what actually needed to be replaced, not the trains.
Recliner
2023-11-24 16:45:47 UTC
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Post by M***@dastardlyhq.com
Physics not your strong point? When its re-expanded it'll cool down to at or
below the temperature it went in at. This is after all how AC works, albeit
using HCFCs.
By now, your ugly, inconvenient solution is costing more than the much
better solution the real engineers have implemented. It's a good thing you
make bugs, not trains.
Better for the accountants maybe, not the passengers. But we all know they
don't count otherwise they wouldn't have replaced all the seats in the 73
stock with fabric covered concrete in the last few years.
Yes, I wonder what happened to the comfortable old cushions?
Post by M***@dastardlyhq.com
Also I'm sure the AC in the new trains will work well enough to keep people
happy while the train is stuck in yet another tunnel due to the knackered
signalling which is what actually needed to be replaced, not the trains.
Both need replacing, but so far there's only enough funding for the first
batch of trains. If money can be found to replace the old signalling, then
the second batch of trains can be ordered to take advantage of it. The
Bakerloo order needs to be placed soon, too, or the new Goole factory will
be shut.

The good news is that TfL ridership is rising, so fare revenues should be
booming. But government assistance is still needed for large capital
investments.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/tfl-tube-warning-following-autumn-164958579.html
M***@dastardlyhq.com
2023-11-24 17:04:53 UTC
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Better for the accountants maybe, not the passengers. But we all know they
don't count otherwise they wouldn't have replaced all the seats in the 73
stock with fabric covered concrete in the last few years.
Yes, I wonder what happened to the comfortable old cushions?
They've probably saved a few in the Acton Depot for Tim Dunn to coo over next
time he's there.

Presumably they were life expired in some way and instead of coughing up to
replace them LU put hard plastic/metal/whatever underneath instead. Just what
you want on a line where a substantial proportion of the ridership goes all the
way out to Heathrow.
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Also I'm sure the AC in the new trains will work well enough to keep people
happy while the train is stuck in yet another tunnel due to the knackered
signalling which is what actually needed to be replaced, not the trains.
Both need replacing, but so far there's only enough funding for the first
batch of trains. If money can be found to replace the old signalling, then
Hah, yeah, if. The northern line got new trains in the late 90s. The
signalling wasn't upgraded until 15 years later so I won't hold my breath.
Graeme Wall
2023-11-24 17:20:04 UTC
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Physics not your strong point? When its re-expanded it'll cool down to at or
below the temperature it went in at. This is after all how AC works, albeit
using HCFCs.
By now, your ugly, inconvenient solution is costing more than the much
better solution the real engineers have implemented. It's a good thing you
make bugs, not trains.
Better for the accountants maybe, not the passengers. But we all know they
don't count otherwise they wouldn't have replaced all the seats in the 73
stock with fabric covered concrete in the last few years.
Yes, I wonder what happened to the comfortable old cushions?
Post by M***@dastardlyhq.com
Also I'm sure the AC in the new trains will work well enough to keep people
happy while the train is stuck in yet another tunnel due to the knackered
signalling which is what actually needed to be replaced, not the trains.
Both need replacing, but so far there's only enough funding for the first
batch of trains. If money can be found to replace the old signalling, then
the second batch of trains can be ordered to take advantage of it. The
Bakerloo order needs to be placed soon, too, or the new Goole factory will
be shut.
The good news is that TfL ridership is rising, so fare revenues should be
booming. But government assistance is still needed for large capital
investments.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/tfl-tube-warning-following-autumn-164958579.html
Riding around in both the morning and evening peaks in central London on
Wednesday, the system seemed rather less busy than I remembered from a
past life.
--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.
Recliner
2023-11-24 17:27:21 UTC
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 17:44:52 GMT
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Physics not your strong point? When its re-expanded it'll cool down to at or
below the temperature it went in at. This is after all how AC works, albeit
using HCFCs.
By now, your ugly, inconvenient solution is costing more than the much
better solution the real engineers have implemented. It's a good thing you
make bugs, not trains.
Better for the accountants maybe, not the passengers. But we all know they
don't count otherwise they wouldn't have replaced all the seats in the 73
stock with fabric covered concrete in the last few years.
Yes, I wonder what happened to the comfortable old cushions?
Post by M***@dastardlyhq.com
Also I'm sure the AC in the new trains will work well enough to keep people
happy while the train is stuck in yet another tunnel due to the knackered
signalling which is what actually needed to be replaced, not the trains.
Both need replacing, but so far there's only enough funding for the first
batch of trains. If money can be found to replace the old signalling, then
the second batch of trains can be ordered to take advantage of it. The
Bakerloo order needs to be placed soon, too, or the new Goole factory will
be shut.
The good news is that TfL ridership is rising, so fare revenues should be
booming. But government assistance is still needed for large capital
investments.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/tfl-tube-warning-following-autumn-164958579.html
Riding around in both the morning and evening peaks in central London on
Wednesday, the system seemed rather less busy than I remembered from a
past life.
I think weekend ridership is now at record levels, but weekdays are still a
bit below 2019 levels. It might improve as more people are forced to return
to their offices, but they may have more flexibility about travel times
than before.
Recliner
2023-11-24 17:29:42 UTC
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 17:44:52 GMT
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Post by M***@dastardlyhq.com
Physics not your strong point? When its re-expanded it'll cool down to at or
below the temperature it went in at. This is after all how AC works, albeit
using HCFCs.
By now, your ugly, inconvenient solution is costing more than the much
better solution the real engineers have implemented. It's a good thing you
make bugs, not trains.
Better for the accountants maybe, not the passengers. But we all know they
don't count otherwise they wouldn't have replaced all the seats in the 73
stock with fabric covered concrete in the last few years.
Yes, I wonder what happened to the comfortable old cushions?
Post by M***@dastardlyhq.com
Also I'm sure the AC in the new trains will work well enough to keep people
happy while the train is stuck in yet another tunnel due to the knackered
signalling which is what actually needed to be replaced, not the trains.
Both need replacing, but so far there's only enough funding for the first
batch of trains. If money can be found to replace the old signalling, then
the second batch of trains can be ordered to take advantage of it. The
Bakerloo order needs to be placed soon, too, or the new Goole factory will
be shut.
The good news is that TfL ridership is rising, so fare revenues should be
booming. But government assistance is still needed for large capital
investments.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/tfl-tube-warning-following-autumn-164958579.html
Riding around in both the morning and evening peaks in central London on
Wednesday, the system seemed rather less busy than I remembered from a
past life.
I think weekend ridership is now at record levels, but weekdays are still a
bit below 2019 levels. It might improve as more people are forced to return
to their offices, but they may have more flexibility about travel times
than before.
And, of course, the Liz and LO are being used heavily. The buses are busy,
too.

Blueshirt
2023-11-17 22:37:35 UTC
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Video of the 24TS on a test run
https://x.com/ianvisits/status/1725454796411351084?s=61&t=hpa_q__1jHKBKNmXnN44ZQ

The Evening Standard have a video up on YouTube about the new
Piccadilly Line trains too...


Recliner
2023-11-17 22:52:45 UTC
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Video of the 24TS on a test run
https://x.com/ianvisits/status/1725454796411351084?s=61&t=hpa_q__1jHKBKNmXnN44ZQ
The Evening Standard have a video up on YouTube about the new
Piccadilly Line trains too...
http://youtu.be/EgDoUIRAGw0
The reporter thinks the Jubilee Line trains are the most recent Tube trains
in London!
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