Discussion:
Crossrail construction halted
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Recliner
2020-03-27 08:46:52 UTC
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Unsurprisingly, Crossrail construction has been halted:
<https://www.railmagazine.com/news/network/work-on-crossrail-sites-suspended>
Graeme Wall
2020-03-27 10:16:26 UTC
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Post by Recliner
<https://www.railmagazine.com/news/network/work-on-crossrail-sites-suspended>
And, apparently, HS2.
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Graeme Wall
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Roland Perry
2020-03-27 10:30:42 UTC
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Post by Graeme Wall
Post by Recliner
Unsurprisingly, Crossrail construction
Being in Central London, a high risk area, doesn't help.
Post by Graeme Wall
Post by Recliner
<https://www.railmagazine.com/news/network/work-on-crossrail-sites-suspended>
And, apparently, HS2.
Have they issued advice on building sites in general yet? Although of
course a lot of HS2 work - even engineering - takes place in offices,
but maybe they've taken their CAD systems home by now..
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Roland Perry
Charles Ellson
2020-03-27 17:44:24 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
Post by Graeme Wall
Post by Recliner
Unsurprisingly, Crossrail construction
Being in Central London, a high risk area, doesn't help.
Post by Graeme Wall
Post by Recliner
<https://www.railmagazine.com/news/network/work-on-crossrail-sites-suspended>
And, apparently, HS2.
Have they issued advice on building sites in general yet? Although of
course a lot of HS2 work - even engineering - takes place in offices,
but maybe they've taken their CAD systems home by now..
Apparently Boris has said it is OK to keep going to work on building
sites -
https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/work/building-sites-still-open-can-builders-work-construction-workers-coronavirus-lockdown-uk-explained-2516863
and was almost immediately contradicted.

Various companies have taken various views but I can't see social
distancing being achieveable on anything other than a small site
staffed by a man and his dog[TM] or maybe by the odd few who can
operate as a family-sized group with only minimal necessary contact
with others.
b***@nowhere.co.uk
2020-03-28 10:40:14 UTC
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On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 17:44:24 +0000
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Graeme Wall
Post by Recliner
Unsurprisingly, Crossrail construction
Being in Central London, a high risk area, doesn't help.
<https://www.railmagazine.com/news/network/work-on-crossrail-sites-suspended>
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Graeme Wall
And, apparently, HS2.
Have they issued advice on building sites in general yet? Although of
course a lot of HS2 work - even engineering - takes place in offices,
but maybe they've taken their CAD systems home by now..
Apparently Boris has said it is OK to keep going to work on building
sites -
https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/work/building-sites-still-open-can-builders
-work-construction-workers-coronavirus-lockdown-uk-explained-2516863
and was almost immediately contradicted.
Various companies have taken various views but I can't see social
distancing being achieveable on anything other than a small site
staffed by a man and his dog[TM] or maybe by the odd few who can
operate as a family-sized group with only minimal necessary contact
with others.
Social isolation simply can't be done with certain jobs, simple as that.
If the construction work is important (eg a house at the bottom of my road
currently has no roof - it can't stay like that for 3 months or it'll be a
wreck) then it needs to be done regardless. If they workers are willing to
take the risk then they should be allowed to do so.
Someone Somewhere
2020-03-29 08:01:18 UTC
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Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 17:44:24 +0000
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Graeme Wall
Post by Recliner
Unsurprisingly, Crossrail construction
Being in Central London, a high risk area, doesn't help.
<https://www.railmagazine.com/news/network/work-on-crossrail-sites-suspended>
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Graeme Wall
And, apparently, HS2.
Have they issued advice on building sites in general yet? Although of
course a lot of HS2 work - even engineering - takes place in offices,
but maybe they've taken their CAD systems home by now..
Apparently Boris has said it is OK to keep going to work on building
sites -
https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/work/building-sites-still-open-can-builders
-work-construction-workers-coronavirus-lockdown-uk-explained-2516863
and was almost immediately contradicted.
Various companies have taken various views but I can't see social
distancing being achieveable on anything other than a small site
staffed by a man and his dog[TM] or maybe by the odd few who can
operate as a family-sized group with only minimal necessary contact
with others.
Social isolation simply can't be done with certain jobs, simple as that.
If the construction work is important (eg a house at the bottom of my road
currently has no roof - it can't stay like that for 3 months or it'll be a
wreck) then it needs to be done regardless. If they workers are willing to
take the risk then they should be allowed to do so.
Indeed - what very few of the shouty people on the internet or in the
media seem to realise is that this is a little more nuanced than people
realise.

The aim of the current restrictions is not to stop the virus - it's too
virulent and the net effect on the population is not large enough for
the absolute draconian measures that you'd need (get the army out on the
streets, properly separated, and insist everyone stay home for 2 weeks
regardless of stocks of food or other needs and if they leave they can
be shot on sight) that you'd need if this thing had the death rate of
e.g. ebola or similar.

The aim is therefore for a slow burn through the population and to
reduce the transmission rate to a level that the NHS can cope with
(hopefully) so that anyone who can reasonably be saved with medical
intervention will be.

Presumably at some point a choice was made over whether it was
preferable to screw up people's leisure time or completely trash the
economy, possibly irreperably. Any sane person can see that the former
is the better long term option and therefore where reasonably possible
people are expected, and meant, to continue working.

So people must accept their leisure time is going to have to fly solo
for a while until the situation for the health service recovers a little
bit.

Some of the reactions from the public are bizarre in the extreme though
- the attempt at shaming those who go to work and the police with drones
etc - and some sections of the population fundamentally need to be
ashamed of themselves for self-serving behaviour.
MissRiaElaine
2020-03-29 16:22:11 UTC
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Post by Someone Somewhere
Some of the reactions from the public are bizarre in the extreme though
- the attempt at shaming those who go to work and the police with drones
etc - and some sections of the population fundamentally need to be
ashamed of themselves for self-serving behaviour.
This situation is certainly bringing out the worst of a lot of people,
but it also brings out the best in some.

We were speaking on the phone to a friend a few days ago, who usually
pops around for a coffee every two or three weeks, obviously now she
can't do so. We were bemoaning the lack of things like toilet rolls etc.
and that they sell out within an hour of the shop opening and we're not
good at mornings..!

Yesterday, we had a phone call out of the blue - "I've been out this
morning and got you some loo rolls, I'll bring them round and leave them
on your doorstep." Half an hour later the doorbell went and when we
looked out there they were and she wouldn't take any money for them.

Today we woke up to the door again and there was another bag of supplies
outside, including a big box of assorted chocolate biscuits..!

Now THAT is selflessness and the mark of true friendship. We are
honestly very humbled to know someone who will do that for us.
--
Ria in Aberdeen

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b***@nowhere.co.uk
2020-03-30 08:05:34 UTC
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On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 09:01:18 +0100
Post by Someone Somewhere
Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
Social isolation simply can't be done with certain jobs, simple as that.
If the construction work is important (eg a house at the bottom of my road
currently has no roof - it can't stay like that for 3 months or it'll be a
wreck) then it needs to be done regardless. If they workers are willing to
take the risk then they should be allowed to do so.
Indeed - what very few of the shouty people on the internet or in the
media seem to realise is that this is a little more nuanced than people
realise.
The aim of the current restrictions is not to stop the virus - it's too
virulent and the net effect on the population is not large enough for
the absolute draconian measures that you'd need (get the army out on the
streets, properly separated, and insist everyone stay home for 2 weeks
regardless of stocks of food or other needs and if they leave they can
be shot on sight) that you'd need if this thing had the death rate of
e.g. ebola or similar.
Even then key people would still need to go to work - if there was no water or
electricity there'd be no point saving everyone from a disease if they died
of thirst or cold anyway. Tbh if a disease that bad became highly infectious
then frankly civilisation would be fucked no matter what.
Post by Someone Somewhere
The aim is therefore for a slow burn through the population and to
reduce the transmission rate to a level that the NHS can cope with
(hopefully) so that anyone who can reasonably be saved with medical
intervention will be.
Sweden seem to have a different take on hit however - they're old and at risk
are being told to remain at home but life goes on more or less as normal for
everyone else. Apparently the idea being to get the herd immunity in the not
at risk part of the population and get the virus to burn itself out quickly
at which point the self isolating groups can leave home. Lets hope that
approach works because if it does this whole lockdown business can be binned.
We should find in in a few weeks.
Post by Someone Somewhere
Some of the reactions from the public are bizarre in the extreme though
- the attempt at shaming those who go to work and the police with drones
etc - and some sections of the population fundamentally need to be
ashamed of themselves for self-serving behaviour.
Unfortunately there will always be screw you I'm alright jack members of the
public and there will also always be wanna gestapo within the police.
Basil Jet
2020-03-30 09:09:02 UTC
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Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
Sweden seem to have a different take on hit however - they're old and at risk
are being told to remain at home but life goes on more or less as normal for
everyone else. Apparently the idea being to get the herd immunity in the not
at risk part of the population and get the virus to burn itself out quickly
at which point the self isolating groups can leave home. Lets hope that
approach works because if it does this whole lockdown business can be binned.
We should find in in a few weeks.
I can't believe that Sweden would get anything right.
They probably heard that it's mostly men and mostly old people who die,
so they've decided to welcome the disease in.
--
Basil Jet recently enjoyed listening to
Goat - 2014 - Commune
b***@nowhere.co.uk
2020-03-30 09:46:06 UTC
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On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 10:09:02 +0100
Post by Basil Jet
Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
Sweden seem to have a different take on hit however - they're old and at risk
are being told to remain at home but life goes on more or less as normal for
everyone else. Apparently the idea being to get the herd immunity in the not
at risk part of the population and get the virus to burn itself out quickly
at which point the self isolating groups can leave home. Lets hope that
approach works because if it does this whole lockdown business can be binned.
We should find in in a few weeks.
I can't believe that Sweden would get anything right.
They probably heard that it's mostly men and mostly old people who die,
so they've decided to welcome the disease in.
Who cares what they're reasoning is - they're doing an experiment that could
benefit the whole world if it works. If it doesn't then I guess Ikea might
be short of flatpack furniture and meatballs for a while.
Marland
2020-03-30 11:13:01 UTC
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Post by Basil Jet
Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
Sweden seem to have a different take on hit however - they're old and at risk
are being told to remain at home but life goes on more or less as normal for
everyone else. Apparently the idea being to get the herd immunity in the not
at risk part of the population and get the virus to burn itself out quickly
at which point the self isolating groups can leave home. Lets hope that
approach works because if it does this whole lockdown business can be binned.
We should find in in a few weeks.
I can't believe that Sweden would get anything right.
They probably heard that it's mostly men and mostly old people who die,
so they've decided to welcome the disease in.
Seems strangely appropriate.




GH
Recliner
2020-03-30 09:26:48 UTC
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Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 09:01:18 +0100
Post by Someone Somewhere
Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
Social isolation simply can't be done with certain jobs, simple as that.
If the construction work is important (eg a house at the bottom of my road
currently has no roof - it can't stay like that for 3 months or it'll be a
wreck) then it needs to be done regardless. If they workers are willing to
take the risk then they should be allowed to do so.
Indeed - what very few of the shouty people on the internet or in the
media seem to realise is that this is a little more nuanced than people
realise.
The aim of the current restrictions is not to stop the virus - it's too
virulent and the net effect on the population is not large enough for
the absolute draconian measures that you'd need (get the army out on the
streets, properly separated, and insist everyone stay home for 2 weeks
regardless of stocks of food or other needs and if they leave they can
be shot on sight) that you'd need if this thing had the death rate of
e.g. ebola or similar.
Even then key people would still need to go to work - if there was no water or
electricity there'd be no point saving everyone from a disease if they died
of thirst or cold anyway. Tbh if a disease that bad became highly infectious
then frankly civilisation would be fucked no matter what.
Post by Someone Somewhere
The aim is therefore for a slow burn through the population and to
reduce the transmission rate to a level that the NHS can cope with
(hopefully) so that anyone who can reasonably be saved with medical
intervention will be.
Sweden seem to have a different take on hit however - they're old and at risk
are being told to remain at home but life goes on more or less as normal for
everyone else. Apparently the idea being to get the herd immunity in the not
at risk part of the population and get the virus to burn itself out quickly
at which point the self isolating groups can leave home. Lets hope that
approach works because if it does this whole lockdown business can be binned.
We should find in in a few weeks.
That's roughly what the UK was doing until about 10 days ago, when the
government felt obliged to bring in a much tougher policy.
Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
Post by Someone Somewhere
Some of the reactions from the public are bizarre in the extreme though
- the attempt at shaming those who go to work and the police with drones
etc - and some sections of the population fundamentally need to be
ashamed of themselves for self-serving behaviour.
Unfortunately there will always be screw you I'm alright jack members of the
public and there will also always be wanna gestapo within the police.
b***@nowhere.co.uk
2020-03-30 09:43:51 UTC
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On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 09:26:48 -0000 (UTC)
Post by Recliner
Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 09:01:18 +0100
Post by Someone Somewhere
Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
Social isolation simply can't be done with certain jobs, simple as that.
If the construction work is important (eg a house at the bottom of my road
currently has no roof - it can't stay like that for 3 months or it'll be a
wreck) then it needs to be done regardless. If they workers are willing to
take the risk then they should be allowed to do so.
Indeed - what very few of the shouty people on the internet or in the
media seem to realise is that this is a little more nuanced than people
realise.
The aim of the current restrictions is not to stop the virus - it's too
virulent and the net effect on the population is not large enough for
the absolute draconian measures that you'd need (get the army out on the
streets, properly separated, and insist everyone stay home for 2 weeks
regardless of stocks of food or other needs and if they leave they can
be shot on sight) that you'd need if this thing had the death rate of
e.g. ebola or similar.
Even then key people would still need to go to work - if there was no water
or
Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
electricity there'd be no point saving everyone from a disease if they died
of thirst or cold anyway. Tbh if a disease that bad became highly infectious
then frankly civilisation would be fucked no matter what.
Post by Someone Somewhere
The aim is therefore for a slow burn through the population and to
reduce the transmission rate to a level that the NHS can cope with
(hopefully) so that anyone who can reasonably be saved with medical
intervention will be.
Sweden seem to have a different take on hit however - they're old and at risk
are being told to remain at home but life goes on more or less as normal for
everyone else. Apparently the idea being to get the herd immunity in the not
at risk part of the population and get the virus to burn itself out quickly
at which point the self isolating groups can leave home. Lets hope that
approach works because if it does this whole lockdown business can be binned.
We should find in in a few weeks.
That's roughly what the UK was doing until about 10 days ago, when the
government felt obliged to bring in a much tougher policy.
No doubt down in part to media hysteria. There's nothing the media -
particularly the BBC - like to do more than turn a situation into a crisis then
disingenuously claim that they're only "reporting the facts". They did exactly
the same thing with Brexit with any academic with an axe to grind who was
willing to claim that it would cause food shortages etc being given air time.
Also the liberal lefts burning desire to put the "plebs" in their place also
shines through - ie lets lock them up for months for their own good etc.
Roland Perry
2020-03-30 10:57:15 UTC
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There's nothing the media - particularly the BBC - like to do more than
turn a situation into a crisis then disingenuously claim that they're
only "reporting the facts". They did exactly the same thing with Brexit
with any academic with an axe to grind who was willing to claim that it
would cause food shortages etc being given air time.
We haven't go to the point in the Brexit process where such an outcome
would start to manifest itself. "No Deal", or something approaching it.

The next deadline is supposed to be June, when either the EU decides if
a deal is possible to conclude before the end of December, or UK/EU
agree to an extension.
--
Roland Perry
Recliner
2020-03-30 11:13:39 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
There's nothing the media - particularly the BBC - like to do more than
turn a situation into a crisis then disingenuously claim that they're
only "reporting the facts". They did exactly the same thing with Brexit
with any academic with an axe to grind who was willing to claim that it
would cause food shortages etc being given air time.
We haven't go to the point in the Brexit process where such an outcome
would start to manifest itself. "No Deal", or something approaching it.
The next deadline is supposed to be June, when either the EU decides if
a deal is possible to conclude before the end of December, or UK/EU
agree to an extension.
I think the virus has pretty much halted negotiations. No face-to-face
negotiations are possible, and many of the UK team have been redeployed to
Covid-19 related activities; I'm not sure if the EU team is still
functioning. Some are in self-isolation on both sides, from Cummings
downwards on our side and including M Barnier on the EU side.

The EU insists that the gap is too wide to be bridged other than with
physical meetings. So it's pretty certain that not much will have been
achieved by June.
Roland Perry
2020-03-30 13:05:09 UTC
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Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
There's nothing the media - particularly the BBC - like to do more than
turn a situation into a crisis then disingenuously claim that they're
only "reporting the facts". They did exactly the same thing with Brexit
with any academic with an axe to grind who was willing to claim that it
would cause food shortages etc being given air time.
We haven't go to the point in the Brexit process where such an outcome
would start to manifest itself. "No Deal", or something approaching it.
The next deadline is supposed to be June, when either the EU decides if
a deal is possible to conclude before the end of December, or UK/EU
agree to an extension.
I think the virus has pretty much halted negotiations. No face-to-face
negotiations are possible, and many of the UK team have been redeployed to
Covid-19 related activities; I'm not sure if the EU team is still
functioning. Some are in self-isolation on both sides, from Cummings
downwards on our side and including M Barnier on the EU side.
The EU insists that the gap is too wide to be bridged other than with
physical meetings. So it's pretty certain that not much will have been
achieved by June.
Sounds very plausible. So who will blink first - Boris agreeing to an
extension, or are we inevitably heading for a Hard (no-deal) Brexit?
--
Roland Perry
Graeme Wall
2020-03-30 15:29:13 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
There's nothing the media - particularly the BBC - like to do more than
turn a situation into a crisis then disingenuously claim that they're
only "reporting the facts". They did exactly the same thing with Brexit
with any academic with an axe to grind who was willing to claim that it
would cause food shortages etc being given air time.
We haven't go to the point in the Brexit process where such an outcome
would start to manifest itself. "No Deal", or something approaching it.
The next deadline is supposed to be June, when either the EU decides if
a deal is possible to conclude before the end of December, or UK/EU
agree to an extension.
I think the virus has pretty much halted negotiations. No face-to-face
negotiations are possible, and many of the UK team have been
redeployed to
Covid-19 related activities; I'm not sure if the EU team is still
functioning. Some are in self-isolation on both sides, from Cummings
downwards on our side and including M Barnier on the EU side.
The EU insists that the gap is too wide to be bridged other than with
physical meetings. So it's pretty certain that not much will have been
achieved by June.
Sounds very plausible. So who will blink first - Boris agreeing to an
extension, or are we inevitably heading for a Hard (no-deal) Brexit?
This scenario is exactly what the ERG were hoping for, no deal by default.
--
Graeme Wall
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Roland Perry
2020-03-31 06:57:58 UTC
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Post by Graeme Wall
So who will blink first - Boris agreeing to an extension, or are we
inevitably heading for a Hard (no-deal) Brexit?
This scenario is exactly what the ERG were hoping for, no deal by default.
Tantamount to treason.
--
Roland Perry
b***@nowhere.co.uk
2020-03-30 14:10:45 UTC
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On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 11:57:15 +0100
Post by Roland Perry
There's nothing the media - particularly the BBC - like to do more than
turn a situation into a crisis then disingenuously claim that they're
only "reporting the facts". They did exactly the same thing with Brexit
with any academic with an axe to grind who was willing to claim that it
would cause food shortages etc being given air time.
We haven't go to the point in the Brexit process where such an outcome
would start to manifest itself. "No Deal", or something approaching it.
Thats odd because I distincly remember George Osborne and Mark Carney claiming
the pould would collapse due to massive sell offs in the city and the UK would
be destitute within months going cap in hand to the IMF if we dared vote to
leave back in 2016. It would seem their crystal balls were on the blink that
day. Ditto there were predictions that the day we left the EU regardless of
whether we were still marching in tune temporarily , the sky would fall on
our heads etc.

But then they're all following in the grand tradition of John Major who
convinced everyone it was in the UKs interest to join the ERM. That turned out
well .. for George Soros.
Graeme Wall
2020-03-30 15:30:23 UTC
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Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 11:57:15 +0100
Post by Roland Perry
There's nothing the media - particularly the BBC - like to do more than
turn a situation into a crisis then disingenuously claim that they're
only "reporting the facts". They did exactly the same thing with Brexit
with any academic with an axe to grind who was willing to claim that it
would cause food shortages etc being given air time.
We haven't go to the point in the Brexit process where such an outcome
would start to manifest itself. "No Deal", or something approaching it.
Thats odd because I distincly remember George Osborne and Mark Carney claiming
the pould would collapse due to massive sell offs in the city and the UK would
be destitute within months going cap in hand to the IMF if we dared vote to
leave back in 2016. It would seem their crystal balls were on the blink that
day. Ditto there were predictions that the day we left the EU regardless of
whether we were still marching in tune temporarily , the sky would fall on
our heads etc.
We haven't actually left yet…
--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.
b***@nowhere.co.uk
2020-03-31 09:09:06 UTC
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On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 16:30:23 +0100
Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 11:57:15 +0100
Post by Roland Perry
There's nothing the media - particularly the BBC - like to do more than
turn a situation into a crisis then disingenuously claim that they're
only "reporting the facts". They did exactly the same thing with Brexit
with any academic with an axe to grind who was willing to claim that it
would cause food shortages etc being given air time.
We haven't go to the point in the Brexit process where such an outcome
would start to manifest itself. "No Deal", or something approaching it.
Thats odd because I distincly remember George Osborne and Mark Carney
claiming
Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
the pould would collapse due to massive sell offs in the city and the UK
would
Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
be destitute within months going cap in hand to the IMF if we dared vote to
leave back in 2016. It would seem their crystal balls were on the blink that
day. Ditto there were predictions that the day we left the EU regardless of
whether we were still marching in tune temporarily , the sky would fall on
our heads etc.
We haven't actually left yet

Sorry? We have very much left you plank, we're simply following EU rules and
regs at the moment.
Graeme Wall
2020-03-31 11:05:18 UTC
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Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 16:30:23 +0100
Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 11:57:15 +0100
Post by Roland Perry
There's nothing the media - particularly the BBC - like to do more than
turn a situation into a crisis then disingenuously claim that they're
only "reporting the facts". They did exactly the same thing with Brexit
with any academic with an axe to grind who was willing to claim that it
would cause food shortages etc being given air time.
We haven't go to the point in the Brexit process where such an outcome
would start to manifest itself. "No Deal", or something approaching it.
Thats odd because I distincly remember George Osborne and Mark Carney
claiming
Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
the pould would collapse due to massive sell offs in the city and the UK
would
Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
be destitute within months going cap in hand to the IMF if we dared vote to
leave back in 2016. It would seem their crystal balls were on the blink that
day. Ditto there were predictions that the day we left the EU regardless of
whether we were still marching in tune temporarily , the sky would fall on
our heads etc.
We haven't actually left yet…
Sorry? We have very much left you plank, we're simply following EU rules and
regs at the moment.
Yes, that means we are still in the system, we've just surrendered
control, that's all.
--
Graeme Wall
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b***@nowhere.co.uk
2020-03-31 14:44:34 UTC
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On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 12:05:18 +0100
Post by Graeme Wall
Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 16:30:23 +0100
Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 11:57:15 +0100
Post by Roland Perry
There's nothing the media - particularly the BBC - like to do more than
turn a situation into a crisis then disingenuously claim that they're
only "reporting the facts". They did exactly the same thing with Brexit
with any academic with an axe to grind who was willing to claim that it
would cause food shortages etc being given air time.
We haven't go to the point in the Brexit process where such an outcome
would start to manifest itself. "No Deal", or something approaching it.
Thats odd because I distincly remember George Osborne and Mark Carney
claiming
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the pould would collapse due to massive sell offs in the city and the UK
would
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be destitute within months going cap in hand to the IMF if we dared vote to
leave back in 2016. It would seem their crystal balls were on the blink
that
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day. Ditto there were predictions that the day we left the EU regardless of
whether we were still marching in tune temporarily , the sky would fall on
our heads etc.
We haven't actually left yet 
Sorry? We have very much left you plank, we're simply following EU rules and
regs at the moment.
Yes, that means we are still in the system, we've just surrendered
control, that's all.
Given how quickly the gates came down on the borders within the EU when this
virus kicked off, you have to wonder just how strong the EU really is anyway.
There was definately a whiff of every man/country for himself that week. So much
for stronger together. You have to laugh :)
Sam Wilson
2020-03-31 18:39:40 UTC
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Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 16:30:23 +0100
Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
We haven't actually left yet…
Sorry? We have very much left you plank, we're simply following EU rules and
regs at the moment.
Yes, that means we are still in the system, we've just surrendered
control, that's all.
Yes, we’re in the LINO phase.

Sam
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Roland Perry
2020-03-31 06:57:04 UTC
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On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 11:57:15 +0100
Post by Roland Perry
There's nothing the media - particularly the BBC - like to do more than
turn a situation into a crisis then disingenuously claim that they're
only "reporting the facts". They did exactly the same thing with Brexit
with any academic with an axe to grind who was willing to claim that it
would cause food shortages etc being given air time.
We haven't go to the point in the Brexit process where such an outcome
would start to manifest itself. "No Deal", or something approaching it.
Thats odd because I distincly remember George Osborne and Mark Carney claiming
the pould would collapse due to massive sell offs in the city and the UK would
be destitute within months going cap in hand to the IMF if we dared vote to
leave back in 2016.
The main thing they got wrong was assuming that the uncertainty caused
by speculators betting on what kind of trade deal we'd have, would kick
in immediately.

And the assumption that by trying to do that trade deal in as little as
two years would result in UK getting a rushed/botched arrangement.
(Rather than the mixed message from Boris/Gove that they wanted a
cake-and-eat-it ultra soft deal [aka BRINO] and the ERG pushing for a
hard exit.)

What actually happened was a masterclass in kicking the can down the
road by Theresa May, with the various attempts to "take no-deal off the
table" meaning there was a suspension of reality, and largely business
as usual.

Now that we know the Boris/Gove deal is a Chimera (well, some always
knew, but a surprisingly large number of people didn't), the prospect of
economic harm still hangs on the thread of when we actually leave, or
slightly more imminent, when we know on what terms we will leave.

And rather than having two years to rush a trade deal, we now have only
a few months. Go figure.
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Arthur Figgis
2020-03-30 17:30:38 UTC
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Post by Someone Somewhere
Indeed - what very few of the shouty people on the internet or in the
media seem to realise is that
[insert issue here?]
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is a little more nuanced than people
realise.
The aim of the current restrictions is not to stop the virus - it's too
virulent and the net effect on the population is not large enough for
the absolute draconian measures that you'd need (get the army out on the
streets,  properly separated, and insist everyone stay home for 2 weeks
regardless of stocks of food or other needs and if they leave they can
be shot on sight) that you'd need if this thing had the death rate of
e.g. ebola or similar.
I suspect that many of the shouty people on the internet think the same
whether there is a virus or not. Ban cycling because you might get
knocked off and then nurses will die adds variety to the usual
complaints that they don't pay a tax abolished in the 1930s. The kind of
people who can afford houses near the park complaining that people from
flats might use the park has been an issue since roughly forever.

Anyway, I'm off to organise a widely-spacecd mob to check people's
shopping for chocolate.
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Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK
Guy Gorton
2020-03-27 12:53:22 UTC
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On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 10:16:26 +0000, Graeme Wall
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Post by Recliner
<https://www.railmagazine.com/news/network/work-on-crossrail-sites-suspended>
And, apparently, HS2.
HiViz jackets were visible on the HS2 site in Chalfont St Peter this
morning.

Guy Gorton
Graeme Wall
2020-03-27 13:27:02 UTC
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On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 10:16:26 +0000, Graeme Wall
Post by Graeme Wall
Post by Recliner
<https://www.railmagazine.com/news/network/work-on-crossrail-sites-suspended>
And, apparently, HS2.
HiViz jackets were visible on the HS2 site in Chalfont St Peter this
morning.
It was a throwaway line in an article about the construction industry
generally.

<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52034586>

A growing number of construction companies have said they will stop all
non-essential work to help fight the coronavirus, but others continue to
operate amid confusion over the government's advice.
Housebuilder Persimmon has joined others in pledging to down tools,
while most work has stopped on HS2 rail. …
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Graeme Wall
This account not read.
b***@nowhere.co.uk
2020-03-27 16:35:21 UTC
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On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 13:27:02 +0000
Post by Recliner
Post by Guy Gorton
On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 10:16:26 +0000, Graeme Wall
<https://www.railmagazine.com/news/network/work-on-crossrail-sites-suspended>
Post by Guy Gorton
Post by Graeme Wall
And, apparently, HS2.
HiViz jackets were visible on the HS2 site in Chalfont St Peter this
morning.
It was a throwaway line in an article about the construction industry
generally.
<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52034586>
A growing number of construction companies have said they will stop all
non-essential work to help fight the coronavirus, but others continue to
operate amid confusion over the government's advice.
Housebuilder Persimmon has joined others in pledging to down tools,
while most work has stopped on HS2 rail. 

If the government allows them to work then they should carry on and work as
their tax money is going to be needed badly.
Anna Noyd-Dryver
2020-03-27 14:02:34 UTC
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Post by Guy Gorton
On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 10:16:26 +0000, Graeme Wall
Post by Graeme Wall
Post by Recliner
<https://www.railmagazine.com/news/network/work-on-crossrail-sites-suspended>
And, apparently, HS2.
HiViz jackets were visible on the HS2 site in Chalfont St Peter this
morning.
Presumably there'll always be some work required to make a site suitable to
be left for an unknown period of time.


Anna Noyd-Dryver
Roland Perry
2020-03-27 14:14:38 UTC
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Post by Guy Gorton
Post by Graeme Wall
Post by Recliner
<https://www.railmagazine.com/news/network/work-on-crossrail-sites-suspended>
And, apparently, HS2.
HiViz jackets were visible on the HS2 site in Chalfont St Peter this
morning.
Was anyone wearing them?
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Roland Perry
b***@nowhere.co.uk
2020-03-27 10:51:42 UTC
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On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 08:46:52 -0000 (UTC)
Post by Recliner
<https://www.railmagazine.com/news/network/work-on-crossrail-sites-suspended>
Will anyone notice the difference in progress?
Robin9
2020-03-27 10:35:11 UTC
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http://tinyurl.com/tpjkknm
Yes alas, but as you say, unsurprisingly


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