Discussion:
uk.transport.london killed by drug dealers
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SB
2018-10-31 06:59:38 UTC
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The spam from this scum has been reported to the authorities in the UK and to Google. Nothing has been done. How else to these posts? SB
Recliner
2018-10-31 09:06:36 UTC
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Post by SB
The spam from this scum has been reported to the authorities in the UK
and to Google. Nothing has been done. How else to these posts? SB
I kill file the authors in Agent, so I never see more than one post from
any of the names they use. In News Pad, that's not an option, but I can
delete all posts from them whenever they show up.

But I wonder why they bother. Surely they don't actually get any takers
here?
John Williamson
2018-10-31 09:15:42 UTC
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Post by Recliner
Post by SB
The spam from this scum has been reported to the authorities in the UK
and to Google. Nothing has been done. How else to these posts? SB
I kill file the authors in Agent, so I never see more than one post from
any of the names they use. In News Pad, that's not an option, but I can
delete all posts from them whenever they show up.
But I wonder why they bother. Surely they don't actually get any takers
here?
They bother because it's free and very easy to set up an automatic
posting schedule. Two or three orders from this group would more than
pay for the inconvenience.

It may be possible for the admin of this group to set up a program
called Cleanfeed, which stops these posts getting on to the system in
the first place, but that costs money...

http://www.mixmin.net/cleanfeed/
--
Tciao for Now!

John.
Graeme Wall
2018-10-31 09:32:58 UTC
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Post by John Williamson
Post by Recliner
Post by SB
The spam from this scum has been reported to the authorities in the UK
and to Google. Nothing has been done. How else to these posts? SB
I kill file the authors in Agent, so I never see more than one post from
any of the names they use. In News Pad, that's not an option, but I can
delete all posts from them whenever they show up.
But I wonder why they bother. Surely they don't actually get any takers
here?
They bother because it's free and very easy to set up an automatic
posting schedule. Two or three orders from this group would more than
pay for the inconvenience.
It may be possible for the admin of this group to set up a program
called Cleanfeed, which stops these posts getting on to the system in
the first place, but that costs money...
What admin?
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Graeme Wall
This account not read.
Offramp
2018-10-31 09:49:32 UTC
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Post by Graeme Wall
What admin?
The moderators.
Recliner
2018-10-31 10:10:56 UTC
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Post by Offramp
Post by Graeme Wall
What admin?
The moderators.
There are no moderators. It's an Internet news group. Anyone can post to it
from anywhere. Nobody can be prevented from doing so. The most that could
happen is that they could be banned from posting via a particular news
server.
b***@cylonHQ.com
2018-10-31 12:08:06 UTC
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On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 10:10:56 -0000 (UTC)
Post by Recliner
Post by Offramp
Post by Graeme Wall
What admin?
The moderators.
There are no moderators. It's an Internet news group. Anyone can post to it
from anywhere. Nobody can be prevented from doing so. The most that could
happen is that they could be banned from posting via a particular news
server.
Not true Billy. Back when anyone cared there were moderated groups and any
posts got sent to the moderator first who could allow it through or bin it.
If they binned it it would never appear on the group in the first place IIRC.
Recliner
2018-10-31 13:21:25 UTC
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On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 12:08:06 +0000 (UTC), Neil Robertson
Post by b***@cylonHQ.com
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 10:10:56 -0000 (UTC)
Post by Recliner
Post by Offramp
Post by Graeme Wall
What admin?
The moderators.
There are no moderators. It's an Internet news group. Anyone can post to it
from anywhere. Nobody can be prevented from doing so. The most that could
happen is that they could be banned from posting via a particular news
server.
Not true Billy. Back when anyone cared there were moderated groups and any
posts got sent to the moderator first who could allow it through or bin it.
If they binned it it would never appear on the group in the first place IIRC.
As I said, this is an ordinary Internet news group with no moderators.
b***@cylonHQ.com
2018-10-31 15:01:36 UTC
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On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 13:21:25 +0000
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 12:08:06 +0000 (UTC), boltar
Post by b***@cylonHQ.com
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 10:10:56 -0000 (UTC)
Post by Recliner
Post by Offramp
Post by Graeme Wall
What admin?
The moderators.
There are no moderators. It's an Internet news group. Anyone can post to it
from anywhere. Nobody can be prevented from doing so. The most that could
happen is that they could be banned from posting via a particular news
server.
Not true Billy. Back when anyone cared there were moderated groups and any
posts got sent to the moderator first who could allow it through or bin it.
If they binned it it would never appear on the group in the first place IIRC.
As I said, this is an ordinary Internet news group with no moderators.
No, you said "It's an Internet news group", no mention of ordinary. Groups can
be moderated. Since you're so keen on being pedantic when it suits you enjoy a
dose of your own medicine.
Recliner
2018-10-31 15:19:51 UTC
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On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 15:01:36 +0000 (UTC), Neil Robertson
Post by b***@cylonHQ.com
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 13:21:25 +0000
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 12:08:06 +0000 (UTC), boltar
Post by b***@cylonHQ.com
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 10:10:56 -0000 (UTC)
Post by Recliner
Post by Offramp
Post by Graeme Wall
What admin?
The moderators.
There are no moderators. It's an Internet news group. Anyone can post to it
from anywhere. Nobody can be prevented from doing so. The most that could
happen is that they could be banned from posting via a particular news
server.
Not true Billy. Back when anyone cared there were moderated groups and any
posts got sent to the moderator first who could allow it through or bin it.
If they binned it it would never appear on the group in the first place IIRC.
As I said, this is an ordinary Internet news group with no moderators.
No, you said "It's an Internet news group", no mention of ordinary. Groups can
be moderated. Since you're so keen on being pedantic when it suits you enjoy a
dose of your own medicine.
It's pretty obvious this group isn't moderated. You'd have been banned
years ago if it was.
Offramp
2018-10-31 21:45:59 UTC
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Post by Recliner
As I said, this is an ordinary Internet news group with no moderators.
I am one of the moderators.
John Levine
2018-10-31 22:02:13 UTC
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Post by Offramp
Post by Recliner
As I said, this is an ordinary Internet news group with no moderators.
I am one of the moderators.
Since none of the messages have Approved: headers, that is a little hard to believe.

(Down the virtual hall, I've moderated comp.compilers since the 1980s, and all its
messages definitely have Approved: headers.)
--
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Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
Recliner
2018-10-31 22:04:21 UTC
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Post by Offramp
Post by Recliner
As I said, this is an ordinary Internet news group with no moderators.
I am one of the moderators.
Since when? And how do you exercise your moderating influence?
Offramp
2018-10-31 22:27:11 UTC
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Post by Recliner
Post by Offramp
I am one of the moderators.
Since when? And how do you exercise your moderating influence?
I am awarding you a two hour cooling off period.
Theo
2018-10-31 22:36:36 UTC
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Post by Offramp
Post by Recliner
Post by Offramp
I am one of the moderators.
Since when? And how do you exercise your moderating influence?
I am awarding you a two hour cooling off period.
And I'm awarding you a coconut.

Theo

(Terms and conditions apply)
b***@cylonHQ.com
2018-11-01 08:43:38 UTC
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On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 15:27:11 -0700 (PDT)
Post by Offramp
Post by Recliner
Post by Offramp
I am one of the moderators.
Since when? And how do you exercise your moderating influence?
I am awarding you a two hour cooling off period.
An entire lifetime wouldn't be enough for him.
Offramp
2018-11-01 09:03:23 UTC
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After taking I advice I have decided to extend your cooling off period to your entire life.
Recliner
2018-11-01 09:26:21 UTC
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Post by Offramp
After taking I advice I have decided to extend your cooling off period to your entire life.
Good luck with that!
Basil Jet
2018-11-01 03:08:42 UTC
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Post by Offramp
Post by Recliner
As I said, this is an ordinary Internet news group with no moderators.
I am one of the moderators.
Hi! I am one of the inflamers.
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Space (French). Spacehog. Spacemen 3. Spear Of Destiny. Spectres (UK).
Spiller feat Sophie Ellis Bextor. Spiritual Vibes. Spiritualized.
Splat!. Split Enz. Spoon. Spring King. Squeeze. Sroeng Santi.
news{@bestley.co.uk (Mark Bestley)
2018-10-31 10:15:37 UTC
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Post by Offramp
Post by Graeme Wall
What admin?
The moderators.
What moderators?
--
Mark
Recliner
2018-10-31 10:34:03 UTC
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Post by John Williamson
Post by Recliner
Post by SB
The spam from this scum has been reported to the authorities in the UK
and to Google. Nothing has been done. How else to these posts? SB
I kill file the authors in Agent, so I never see more than one post from
any of the names they use. In News Pad, that's not an option, but I can
delete all posts from them whenever they show up.
But I wonder why they bother. Surely they don't actually get any takers
here?
They bother because it's free and very easy to set up an automatic
posting schedule. Two or three orders from this group would more than
pay for the inconvenience.
I'd be astonished if they got a single order from this group.
Post by John Williamson
It may be possible for the admin of this group to set up a program
called Cleanfeed, which stops these posts getting on to the system in
the first place, but that costs money...
http://www.mixmin.net/cleanfeed/
That might clean up one news server, but what about all the others?
Theo
2018-10-31 10:39:16 UTC
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Post by John Williamson
It may be possible for the admin of this group to set up a program
called Cleanfeed, which stops these posts getting on to the system in
the first place, but that costs money...
http://www.mixmin.net/cleanfeed/
This site runs Cleanfeed, and they're currently getting through that. The
posts aren't actually making any technical faux pas (no crossposts, no
binaries, a posting volume similar to some rather verbose newsgroup
posters), just content that humans find objectionable - which is rather more
difficult to filter.

A client-side killfile based on headers is the only way, I think.

Theo
Guy Gorton
2018-10-31 09:28:01 UTC
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Post by SB
The spam from this scum has been reported to the authorities in the UK and to Google. Nothing has been done. How else to these posts? SB
It cost me 10 seconds to delete today's batch in Agent. Easy,.

Guy Gorton
Recliner
2018-10-31 13:23:17 UTC
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On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 09:28:01 +0000, Guy Gorton
Post by Guy Gorton
Post by SB
The spam from this scum has been reported to the authorities in the UK and to Google. Nothing has been done. How else to these posts? SB
It cost me 10 seconds to delete today's batch in Agent. Easy,.
I set up a new Agent kill filter for today's spammer. It deleted all
three of his posts, and will remove any future ones under that name.
And if he uses another name, I'll just do the same again.
Richard J.
2018-10-31 13:21:08 UTC
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Post by SB
The spam from this scum has been reported to the authorities in the UK and to Google. Nothing has been done. How else to these posts? SB
Which authorities have been sent reports of these OT posts? Any response from them at all?

Have you also reported yourself regarding your OT posts on uk.railway, such as "Muslim pervert ejaculates on a woman in a New York City subway"?
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)
C
2018-11-15 11:04:39 UTC
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Post by SB
The spam from this scum has been reported to the authorities in the UK and to Google. Nothing has been done. How else to these posts? SB
Time for moderation?

C
Recliner
2018-11-15 11:08:50 UTC
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Post by C
Post by SB
The spam from this scum has been reported to the authorities in the UK
and to Google. Nothing has been done. How else to these posts? SB
Time for moderation?
By whom? Like the vast majority of usenet groups, this one is unmoderated.
It's nothing to do with Google or the 'UK authorities'.
Bryan Morris
2018-11-15 13:33:34 UTC
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Post by Recliner
Post by C
Post by SB
The spam from this scum has been reported to the authorities in the UK
and to Google. Nothing has been done. How else to these posts? SB
Time for moderation?
By whom? Like the vast majority of usenet groups, this one is unmoderated.
It's nothing to do with Google or the 'UK authorities'.
If you want to propose uk.transport.london.moderated then go to the
various uk.news groups. Follow the procedures to form a new group in the
uk.* Hierarchy and find a moderator with the proper software and
experience

Many years ago uk.legal had problems with trolls and uk.legal.moderated
formed. Uk.legal is now full of racist trolls (currently 1165 posts with
little to do with legal)

Can be done with a will but you have to convince the uk.net.news
committee of the need and then call a vote

Nothing to do with Google who simply relay (since their take over of
Deja News) Usenet Groups
--
Bryan Morris
Bryan Morris
2018-11-15 13:44:16 UTC
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Post by Bryan Morris
Can be done with a will but you have to convince the uk.net.news
committee of the need and then call a vote
Nothing to do with Google who simply relay (since their take over of
Deja News) Usenet Groups
BTW I'm copying how it's done



Archive-name: uk/guidelines
Posting-frequency: monthly
Last-modified: Sun Jul 12 17:06:39 BST 2015

The procedures for coordinating newsgroup management within the UK
hierarchy are contained in three documents, of which this article
contains the first.

GUIDELINES FOR GROUP CREATION WITHIN THE UK HIERARCHY
<https://www.usenet.org.uk/guidelines.html>
<ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/uk/guidelines>
VOTING PROCEDURES WITHIN THE UK HIERARCHY
<https://www.usenet.org.uk/voting.html>
<ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/uk/voting>
THE UK USENET COMMITTEE
<https://www.usenet.org.uk/committee.html>
<ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/uk/committee>

The following Guidelines were originally accepted on 07 Aug 95 by a vote
conducted on uk.net.news with 93 votes in favour and 11 votes against.
They were amended by further votes conducted on uk.net.news.announce on
19 Apr 97 with majorities of 31 or more votes in favour and 6 or less
votes against, again on 15 April 98 by 47 to 13, again on 26 Sept 98 by
the fast-track method, again on 28 Nov 1999 by 74 to 2 and 39 to 27,
again on 18 May 2000 by 30 to 8, again on 13 Feb 2001 by 30 to 13 and
again on 5 May 2001 by 52 to 27.


GUIDELINES FOR GROUP CREATION WITHIN THE UK HIERARCHY

The following words where used in this document have the precise
meanings shown here:

SHALL - any RFD which fails to follow this guideline will be invalid
SHOULD - in all but exceptional or unusual cases an RFD ought to follow
this guideline MAY - whilst this guideline is acceptable
practice, it remains optional

Requirements for Group Creation:

It is hoped that most creations of new newsgroups within the UK
hierarchy can be accomplished speedily and without the necessity for
voting. When dissention arises, however, voting may be the only method
of resolution.

These guidelines have the approval of the major UK service providers,
who have declared that they will only carry and propagate groups created
using them.

It should be pointed out here that, as always, the decision whether or
not to create a newsgroup on a given machine rests with the
administrator of that machine. These guidelines are intended as an aid
in making those decisions. On the other hand, it should be understood
that groups created contrary to these guidelines are unlikely to
propagate far.

The Discussion:

1) A request for discussion (RFD) on the creation of a new newsgroup
shall be mailed to ***@usenet.org.uk (as moderator of
uk.net.news.announce).

Control will cross post the RFD to uk.net.news.announce,
uk.net.news.config
and any other groups or mailing lists related to the proposed topic
or
likely to be affected. The groups to be cross posted into should be
those
requested by the proponent. The proponent may also indicate which
groups
the Followups should be set to. Control may, at his discretion, add
additional groups to these lists (or remove groups where such cross
posting
is beyond the technical capabilities of the news software).
Uk.net.news.config shall be included in both the original cross
posting
and followups. Only postings which are cross posted to
uk.net.news.config
will be considered part of the definitive discussion.

The RFD should include as much as possible of the following
information
concerning the proposed group:
The Name
The Charter
Whether it is to be Moderated
The name of the Moderator (if appropriate)
A One-line Summary of the charter (max. 79 characters)
The Initial Time to be allowed for discussion (which must be at
least 10 days).
Any of these items missing from the RFD must be resolved during the
discussion.

The Charter shall make clear what the topic of discussion within the
group
is to be (useful if arguments about what is "on-topic" should arise
later
on). It is also advisable for the Charter to indicate whether or not
advertisements are welcome within the group, and if so of what sort.
The
same applies to the admissibility of job adverts, etc. Binaries are
allowed in uk.* only in hierarchies explicitly created for binary
posts,
and having a hierarchy charter stating this. In all other hierarchies
the
group charter shall state that binaries are not permitted. In any
uk.*
hierarchy or group whose charter does not mention binaries, the
assumption
shall be that binaries are forbidden.

Retromoderation, i.e. moderation of a newsgroup by way of
content-based
cancelling of articles, is not allowed, and RFDs which include the
possibility of retromoderation will not be accepted. This does not
affect
the general power of moderators to cancel articles which have
appeared in
the group as a result of forgery, catastrophic failure of moderation
software, or in other unforseen emergency circumstances.

The One-line Summary will eventually go into the "newsgroups" file
which
many newsreaders make available to users as a quick guide to the
intent of
each newsgroup. As regards group Names, reference should be made to
the
document "Guidelines on uk.* Newsgroup Names" which is posted
periodically
to uk.net.news.announce.

2) Where it is desired to provide for a large number of newsgroups to be
created as and when demand emerges, all sharing a common charter, an
RFD for
a "group template" may be submitted, in the same form as an RFD, but
containing also the scope of subjects for which it shall be
available, and a
standard charter and newsgroups line applicable to them all (with
placeholders for those words specific to each subject). It may
further
specify a group or groups to which all future notices of quick
creations
must be crossposted.

The scope of subjects shall be clear and finite, it must be possible
to
create a definitive list of potential groups (although it is not
required
that the proponent provides such a list). The scope shall give clear
instructions as to the formation of group names under the template,
including any flexibility (to be exercised at the discretion of the
committee) that is allowed in naming.

A group template RFD may also specify a single group which will be
created
immediately the proposal passes, without need of a quick creation
request.

3) If the RFD is in the correct form, and if the name of the proposed
group falls within the normal accepted practice for the uk.*
hierarchy
(as detailed in "Guidelines on uk.* Newsgroup Names")
***@usenet.org.uk (as moderator of uk.net.news.announce) will
post
it. Otherwise, he will refer it to the Committee for resolution
(which
may involve negotiation with the original proponent). A proponent who
needs help in choosing a name, or is looking for any other guidance
in the creation procedure, may send email to ***@usenet.org.uk
before issuing his RFD.

4) Discussion shall take place in uk.net.news.config and shall continue
initially for 10 days, and thereafter as required until consensus is
reached, or at least the important issues have been identified. It
should
be concerned with finding the final form of the Name, Charter, and
other
items listed above. Additional RFDs should be issued if substantive
changes
arise during the discussion. Revised RFDs should be discussed for a
further
initial 10 day period.

Where 90 days have elapsed since the publication of the first RFD,
the
committee may direct that no further RFDs shall be published, but
that the
proposal shall either proceed to a vote within 40 days of the present
RFD
or be withdrawn. Any vote resulting from such a decision by the
committee
shall include the option ROD (re-open discussion). Where the RFD is
concerned with the committee constitution, and the committee has not
acted
to curtail discussion within 130 days, the RFD shall proceed as if
the
committee had done so.

5) If, by the end of the initial discussion period, a consensus has been
reached and the proposal appears to be straightforward and
non-controversial, the proponent may, within 40 days of the original
publication of the most recent RFD, ask ***@usenet.org.uk to
create the
group by the "fast-track" method. If Control (as advised by the
Committee)
is satisfied of this, he will announce in uk.net.news.announce that,
in the
absence of valid objections, the new group will be created on a date
not
less than 5 days thereafter. In the event of 6 or more objections, or
any
objection which seems to the Committee to be well founded, the
fast-track
procedure shall be halted, and the RFD should either proceed to a
vote, or
have a revised RFD submitted for further discussion. In circumstances
where
the fast-track has failed on only minor problems, the proponent is
permitted to correct these, and re-submit a fast-track request with
the
corrections, which shall then be conducted as above.

Otherwise, the proponent may, within 40 days of the original
publication of
the most recent RFD, ask the votetaking organisation to conduct a
vote.
Where the vote results from the failure of a Fast Track, and the 40
day
period has expired, the proponent may request a vote within 10 days
of the
Committee notice that the Fast Track was not successful.

The proponent may, at any stage, withdraw an RFD, or permit another
person
to take over as proponent on the current RFD. The proponent must
notify
***@usenet.org.uk. Control shall publish a notice of the change
of
proponent or withdrawal to all newsgroups which were included in the
original RFD.

Note than only ***@usenet.org.uk may issue 'newgroup', 'rmgroup'
and
'checkgroups' messages which are to be regarded as valid under these
guidelines.

6) Where a group template exists, a group may be created by the 'Quick
Creation' method, without any RFD (with formal Charter) being posted.

A 'Quick Creation' request may be made by:

A request for Control to create a group using the template shall
contain the names and valid email addresses of the proponent and
at
least 11 (maximum 20) supporters. If Control (as advised by the
Committee) is satisfied that the proposed group lies within the
scope
of the template, he shall announce in the newsgroups specified
in the
template that if a minimum of 11 of the provided list of
supporters
respond as indicated below then, in the absence of valid
objections,
the group shall be created on a date not less than 10 days
thereafter.
Control's announcement shall contain the names/valid email
addresses
of the proponent and supporters.

Control shall email each supporter provided by the proponent
informing
them that they must email a reply within 10 days to acknowledge
that
they support the request and that the request will fail if fewer
than
11 respond positively.

If the original request is rejected, or fewer than 11 of the listed
supporters respond positively to Control, then Control shall announce
this
to the same groups as received the original posting.

If, at the end of the 10 day period, the minimum level of support
has been achieved then Control shall post to the same groups that
the proposed group shall be created in 5 days unless there are any
objections.

Objections, which must be emailed to ***@usenet.org.uk, to quick
creation will only be considered on the grounds that:
1) the proposed group lies outside the scope of the template;
2) the name is not in accordance with the template;
3) the list of supporters contains some irregularity.

The rule specifying the number of objections that automatically
prevent a
fast track shall not apply to any group application by the 'Quick
Creation'
method.

In the event that a 'Quick Creation' request is rejected by the
committee,
expires through lack of support or is overturned following an
objection, a
similar proposal may be submitted for discussion by the normal RFD
process
without incurring a 3 month delay. However, a failed or expired quick
creation request may not be re-submitted as a quick creation request
within
90 days.

7) The rules for conducting votes are described in the companion
document
VOTING PROCEDURES WITHIN THE UK HIERARCHY.

8) Only one RFD on any particular subject should be
allowed at any one time. The first valid RFD received by
***@usenet.org.uk should be published, and all others rejected.
In
cases of doubt, the Committee shall adjudicate as to whether two RFDs
overlap sufficiently to warrant one being rejected.

A proposal which has been the subject of a successful Fast Track, or
of any
valid vote should not be brought up for discussion until at least 3
months
have passed from the date of the Fast Track notice, or the close of
the
vote.

Where an RFD has been withdrawn, no waiting period shall apply before
a new
RFD can be published.

9) The procedures described above shall be used, with appropriate
changes, for
the removal, renaming, splitting or combining of groups, for changing
the
charter of groups, for introducing major changes to the hierarchy,
for
changing the moderation status, or for forcing a change of moderator
(under
normal circumstances, it is accepted that a retiring moderator
appoints his
successor).

10) All objections and appeals will be decided by the Committee. Their
decisions will be posted to uk.net.news.announce.

Rule Changes

Any changes to these rules, or those in the companion documents, shall
be proposed in an RFD in accordance with the GUIDELINES FOR GROUP
CREATION WITHIN THE UK HIERARCHY, insofar as they are applicable. RFDs
for rule changes shall be discussed in the newsgroup
uk.net.news.management, and this will be the definitive record of
discussion.

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CHARTER

This group is to be moderated by ***@usenet.org.uk on behalf of the
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votes, etc. produced in accordance with the Guidelines For Group
Creation within the UK Hierarchy and the Voting Procedures within the UK
Hierarchy. It will also publish FAQs and summaries relevant to the
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Creation of UK.NET.NEWS.CONFIG

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For discussions concerning the creation, renaming or deletion of
newsgroups within the UK Hierarchy, especially those arising from RFDs
published in uk.net.news.announce in accordance with the Guidelines For
Group Creation within the UK Hierarchy. Discussions relating to
connectivity, propagation, and other non-configuration issues should
take place in uk.net. Discussions relating to the management of the uk.*
newsgroup hierarchy, the committee, officers and guidelines should take
place in uk.net.news.management.

Cross-posting between this group and uk.net.news.management is strictly
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include either uk.net.news.config OR uk.net.news.management but NOT
both.
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Bryan Morris
Offramp
2018-11-15 13:51:05 UTC
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It would be much easier to take over an unused newsgroup, such as
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/alt.fan.dean-stark.memories
but with a more transport-oriented name.
There are plenty of unused NGs around.
Robin9
2018-11-16 10:54:42 UTC
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Post by Offramp
It would be much easier to take over an unused newsgroup, such as
http://tinyurl.com/2fa5cp6
but with a more transport-oriented name.
There are plenty of unused NGs around.
But would that prevent these drug peddlers from swamping
the site with their adverts


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Robin9
Bryan Morris
2018-11-16 12:32:21 UTC
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Post by Robin9
Post by Offramp
It would be much easier to take over an unused newsgroup, such as
http://tinyurl.com/2fa5cp6
but with a more transport-oriented name.
There are plenty of unused NGs around.
But would that prevent these drug peddlers from swamping
the site with their adverts?
Nope.
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Bryan Morris
Clive D.W. Feather
2018-11-17 09:23:24 UTC
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Post by Bryan Morris
Post by C
Time for moderation?
If you want to propose uk.transport.london.moderated then go to the
various uk.news groups. Follow the procedures to form a new group in the
uk.* Hierarchy and find a moderator with the proper software and
experience
As far as I can see, it's one or two spammers with easily spotted
subject lines. I just kill those threads and move on.

I don't think it's anywhere near action-needed state yet.
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Clive D.W. Feather
Guy Gorton
2018-11-18 14:45:24 UTC
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 09:23:24 +0000, "Clive D.W. Feather"
Post by Clive D.W. Feather
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by C
Time for moderation?
If you want to propose uk.transport.london.moderated then go to the
various uk.news groups. Follow the procedures to form a new group in the
uk.* Hierarchy and find a moderator with the proper software and
experience
As far as I can see, it's one or two spammers with easily spotted
subject lines. I just kill those threads and move on.
I don't think it's anywhere near action-needed state yet.
I don't know, of course, how easy deletion is in other newsreaders.
It took me about 3 seconds to delete today's batch in Agent. No more
than a minor irritation. Nothing like as irritating as a slanging
match backwards and forwards between two posters!

Guy Gorton
Bryan Morris
2018-11-18 15:46:16 UTC
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Post by Guy Gorton
I don't know, of course, how easy deletion is in other newsreaders.
It took me about 3 seconds to delete today's batch in Agent. No more
than a minor irritation. Nothing like as irritating as a slanging
match backwards and forwards between two posters!
Guy Gorton
Of more annoyance is Eternal September re sending hundreds of posts from
May
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Bryan Morris
Roland Perry
2018-11-18 15:53:41 UTC
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Post by Bryan Morris
Of more annoyance is Eternal September re sending hundreds of posts
from May
You've been getting them too, I presume. Perhaps they should change
their name to "Eternal May" ??
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Roland Perry
Bryan Morris
2018-11-26 23:56:32 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
Post by Bryan Morris
Of more annoyance is Eternal September re sending hundreds of posts
from May
You've been getting them too, I presume. Perhaps they should change
their name to "Eternal May" ??
I'm trying the following Kill Rule for stuff I receive in this group
/^References:\s*<[^<]*@gmail\.com>/h

Assuming I'm right this will kill any thread originating by anyone using
gmail - unfortunate for anyone who genuinely uses gmail but should rid
99% drug stuff

I see someone is now sending drug spam on existing genuine threads,
there is another kill rule I can use to get rid of that prat too.
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Bryan Morris
Recliner
2018-11-27 00:27:48 UTC
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Post by Bryan Morris
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Bryan Morris
Of more annoyance is Eternal September re sending hundreds of posts
from May
You've been getting them too, I presume. Perhaps they should change
their name to "Eternal May" ??
I'm trying the following Kill Rule for stuff I receive in this group
Assuming I'm right this will kill any thread originating by anyone using
gmail - unfortunate for anyone who genuinely uses gmail but should rid
99% drug stuff
I see someone is now sending drug spam on existing genuine threads,
there is another kill rule I can use to get rid of that prat too.
To add insult to injury, they're joining in this very thread. That implies
it's not just a bot.
Tim Woodall
2018-11-27 07:27:43 UTC
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Post by Recliner
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Bryan Morris
Of more annoyance is Eternal September re sending hundreds of posts
from May
You've been getting them too, I presume. Perhaps they should change
their name to "Eternal May" ??
I'm trying the following Kill Rule for stuff I receive in this group
Assuming I'm right this will kill any thread originating by anyone using
gmail - unfortunate for anyone who genuinely uses gmail but should rid
99% drug stuff
I see someone is now sending drug spam on existing genuine threads,
there is another kill rule I can use to get rid of that prat too.
To add insult to injury, they're joining in this very thread. That implies
it's not just a bot.
Why not a bot? Surely a bot would try to post to active threads.

Here's how I kill posts from googlegroups (slrn)

[*]
Score: =-9999
Injection-Info: googlegroups.com
Bryan Morris
2018-11-27 11:15:49 UTC
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Post by Recliner
To add insult to injury, they're joining in this very thread. That implies
it's not just a bot.
Yep, seems a deliberate troll
Another kill rule is simply /@gmail\.com$/a

which should get rid of stuff followed up to a genuine thread
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Bryan Morris
Marland
2018-11-18 18:22:54 UTC
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Post by Bryan Morris
Post by Guy Gorton
I don't know, of course, how easy deletion is in other newsreaders.
It took me about 3 seconds to delete today's batch in Agent. No more
than a minor irritation. Nothing like as irritating as a slanging
match backwards and forwards between two posters!
Guy Gorton
Of more annoyance is Eternal September re sending hundreds of posts from
May
Is this part of her attempting to get support for the Draft Withdrawal
Agreement?



GH
Graeme Wall
2018-11-19 10:01:17 UTC
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Post by Marland
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by Guy Gorton
I don't know, of course, how easy deletion is in other newsreaders.
It took me about 3 seconds to delete today's batch in Agent. No more
than a minor irritation. Nothing like as irritating as a slanging
match backwards and forwards between two posters!
Guy Gorton
Of more annoyance is Eternal September re sending hundreds of posts from
May
Is this part of her attempting to get support for the Draft Withdrawal
Agreement?
<groan>
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Graeme Wall
This account not read.
Graeme Wall
2018-11-19 10:00:41 UTC
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Post by Bryan Morris
Post by Guy Gorton
I don't know, of course, how easy deletion is in other newsreaders.
It took me about 3 seconds to delete today's batch in Agent.   No more
than a minor irritation. Nothing like as irritating as a slanging
match backwards and forwards between two posters!
Guy Gorton
Of more annoyance is Eternal September re sending hundreds of posts from
May
Yes, I got that, wondered if it was just me.
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Graeme Wall
This account not read.
tim...
2018-12-14 11:43:04 UTC
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Post by Guy Gorton
On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 09:23:24 +0000, "Clive D.W. Feather"
Post by Clive D.W. Feather
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by C
Time for moderation?
If you want to propose uk.transport.london.moderated then go to the
various uk.news groups. Follow the procedures to form a new group in the
uk.* Hierarchy and find a moderator with the proper software and
experience
As far as I can see, it's one or two spammers with easily spotted
subject lines. I just kill those threads and move on.
I don't think it's anywhere near action-needed state yet.
I don't know, of course, how easy deletion is in other newsreaders.
It took me about 3 seconds to delete today's batch in Agent. No more
than a minor irritation. Nothing like as irritating as a slanging
match backwards and forwards between two posters!
it might be easy to delete "today's" batch

but when you have just come back from holiday and have 4-5 weeks to delete,
it ain't quite so easy
Post by Guy Gorton
Guy Gorton
Marland
2018-12-14 12:05:37 UTC
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Post by tim...
Post by Guy Gorton
On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 09:23:24 +0000, "Clive D.W. Feather"
Post by Clive D.W. Feather
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by C
Time for moderation?
If you want to propose uk.transport.london.moderated then go to the
various uk.news groups. Follow the procedures to form a new group in the
uk.* Hierarchy and find a moderator with the proper software and
experience
As far as I can see, it's one or two spammers with easily spotted
subject lines. I just kill those threads and move on.
I don't think it's anywhere near action-needed state yet.
I don't know, of course, how easy deletion is in other newsreaders.
It took me about 3 seconds to delete today's batch in Agent. No more
than a minor irritation. Nothing like as irritating as a slanging
match backwards and forwards between two posters!
it might be easy to delete "today's" batch
but when you have just come back from holiday and have 4-5 weeks to delete,
it ain't quite so easy
Post by Guy Gorton
Guy Gorton
After that length of time most threads have gone stale anyway and it not
like there will be 100’s of
topics like there were on usenet groups a decade or more ago.
Has your newsreader got the facility to mark any thread of interest and
then just delete everything else over a chosen date?

That is how I do it .

GH
tim...
2018-12-14 14:11:16 UTC
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Post by Marland
Post by tim...
Post by Guy Gorton
On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 09:23:24 +0000, "Clive D.W. Feather"
Post by Clive D.W. Feather
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by C
Time for moderation?
If you want to propose uk.transport.london.moderated then go to the
various uk.news groups. Follow the procedures to form a new group in the
uk.* Hierarchy and find a moderator with the proper software and
experience
As far as I can see, it's one or two spammers with easily spotted
subject lines. I just kill those threads and move on.
I don't think it's anywhere near action-needed state yet.
I don't know, of course, how easy deletion is in other newsreaders.
It took me about 3 seconds to delete today's batch in Agent. No more
than a minor irritation. Nothing like as irritating as a slanging
match backwards and forwards between two posters!
it might be easy to delete "today's" batch
but when you have just come back from holiday and have 4-5 weeks to delete,
it ain't quite so easy
Post by Guy Gorton
Guy Gorton
After that length of time most threads have gone stale anyway and it not
like there will be 100’s of
topics like there were on usenet groups a decade or more ago.
Has your newsreader got the facility to mark any thread of interest and
then just delete everything else over a chosen date?
how do I find the new threads of interests in between all of the chaff?

(other than by deleting all the chaff first)

tim
Recliner
2018-12-14 15:43:59 UTC
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Post by tim...
Post by Marland
Post by tim...
Post by Guy Gorton
On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 09:23:24 +0000, "Clive D.W. Feather"
Post by Clive D.W. Feather
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by C
Time for moderation?
If you want to propose uk.transport.london.moderated then go to the
various uk.news groups. Follow the procedures to form a new group in the
uk.* Hierarchy and find a moderator with the proper software and
experience
As far as I can see, it's one or two spammers with easily spotted
subject lines. I just kill those threads and move on.
I don't think it's anywhere near action-needed state yet.
I don't know, of course, how easy deletion is in other newsreaders.
It took me about 3 seconds to delete today's batch in Agent. No more
than a minor irritation. Nothing like as irritating as a slanging
match backwards and forwards between two posters!
it might be easy to delete "today's" batch
but when you have just come back from holiday and have 4-5 weeks to delete,
it ain't quite so easy
Post by Guy Gorton
Guy Gorton
After that length of time most threads have gone stale anyway and it not
like there will be 100’s of
topics like there were on usenet groups a decade or more ago.
Has your newsreader got the facility to mark any thread of interest and
then just delete everything else over a chosen date?
how do I find the new threads of interests in between all of the chaff?
(other than by deleting all the chaff first)
Depending on your newsreader, there are various ways of auto filtering
them.
tim...
2018-12-14 16:13:59 UTC
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Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Marland
Post by tim...
Post by Guy Gorton
On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 09:23:24 +0000, "Clive D.W. Feather"
Post by Clive D.W. Feather
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by C
Time for moderation?
If you want to propose uk.transport.london.moderated then go to the
various uk.news groups. Follow the procedures to form a new group in the
uk.* Hierarchy and find a moderator with the proper software and
experience
As far as I can see, it's one or two spammers with easily spotted
subject lines. I just kill those threads and move on.
I don't think it's anywhere near action-needed state yet.
I don't know, of course, how easy deletion is in other newsreaders.
It took me about 3 seconds to delete today's batch in Agent. No more
than a minor irritation. Nothing like as irritating as a slanging
match backwards and forwards between two posters!
it might be easy to delete "today's" batch
but when you have just come back from holiday and have 4-5 weeks to delete,
it ain't quite so easy
Post by Guy Gorton
Guy Gorton
After that length of time most threads have gone stale anyway and it not
like there will be 100’s of
topics like there were on usenet groups a decade or more ago.
Has your newsreader got the facility to mark any thread of interest and
then just delete everything else over a chosen date?
how do I find the new threads of interests in between all of the chaff?
(other than by deleting all the chaff first)
Depending on your newsreader, there are various ways of auto filtering
them.
Oh, I can write a rule to get rid of the next lot, now that I have some
common features to use

but I'm stuck with what's already there

(IIRC there used to be a "remove all downloaded posts from this user" as you
added a name to the blocked list, but no more)

tim
Recliner
2018-12-14 16:31:25 UTC
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Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Marland
Post by tim...
Post by Guy Gorton
On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 09:23:24 +0000, "Clive D.W. Feather"
Post by Clive D.W. Feather
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by C
Time for moderation?
If you want to propose uk.transport.london.moderated then go to the
various uk.news groups. Follow the procedures to form a new group in the
uk.* Hierarchy and find a moderator with the proper software and
experience
As far as I can see, it's one or two spammers with easily spotted
subject lines. I just kill those threads and move on.
I don't think it's anywhere near action-needed state yet.
I don't know, of course, how easy deletion is in other newsreaders.
It took me about 3 seconds to delete today's batch in Agent. No more
than a minor irritation. Nothing like as irritating as a slanging
match backwards and forwards between two posters!
it might be easy to delete "today's" batch
but when you have just come back from holiday and have 4-5 weeks to delete,
it ain't quite so easy
Post by Guy Gorton
Guy Gorton
After that length of time most threads have gone stale anyway and it not
like there will be 100’s of
topics like there were on usenet groups a decade or more ago.
Has your newsreader got the facility to mark any thread of interest and
then just delete everything else over a chosen date?
how do I find the new threads of interests in between all of the chaff?
(other than by deleting all the chaff first)
Depending on your newsreader, there are various ways of auto filtering
them.
Oh, I can write a rule to get rid of the next lot, now that I have some
common features to use
but I'm stuck with what's already there
(IIRC there used to be a "remove all downloaded posts from this user" as you
added a name to the blocked list, but no more)
That works in both Agent and Newspad, the readers I use most.
Michael R N Dolbear
2018-12-14 20:08:20 UTC
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Post by tim...
Oh, I can write a rule to get rid of the next lot, now that I have some
common features to use
but I'm stuck with what's already there
Many newsreaders can process "what's already there", so you can, eg, check a
new rule.
--
Mike D
Ian Jackson
2018-12-21 20:57:24 UTC
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Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Marland
Post by tim...
Post by Guy Gorton
On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 09:23:24 +0000, "Clive D.W. Feather"
Post by Clive D.W. Feather
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by C
Time for moderation?
If you want to propose uk.transport.london.moderated then go to the
various uk.news groups. Follow the procedures to form a new group in the
uk.* Hierarchy and find a moderator with the proper software and
experience
As far as I can see, it's one or two spammers with easily spotted
subject lines. I just kill those threads and move on.
I don't think it's anywhere near action-needed state yet.
I don't know, of course, how easy deletion is in other newsreaders.
It took me about 3 seconds to delete today's batch in Agent. No more
than a minor irritation. Nothing like as irritating as a slanging
match backwards and forwards between two posters!
it might be easy to delete "today's" batch
but when you have just come back from holiday and have 4-5 weeks to delete,
it ain't quite so easy
Post by Guy Gorton
Guy Gorton
After that length of time most threads have gone stale anyway and it not
like there will be 100’s of
topics like there were on usenet groups a decade or more ago.
Has your newsreader got the facility to mark any thread of interest and
then just delete everything else over a chosen date?
how do I find the new threads of interests in between all of the chaff?
(other than by deleting all the chaff first)
Depending on your newsreader, there are various ways of auto filtering
them.
It's difficult to killfile for long based on the sender's name, as this
rapidly keeps changing. However, as most of the Subject lines contain
the name of at least one drug, the killfile will be more long-lasting if
you filter on THAT (adding more drug names as required).

For those posts that do get through, you might find it easier to
distinguish the wheat from the chaff if you don't display the list of
posts as 'threaded'. My normal news client, 'Turnpike' (Demon's own type
of news and mail client), gives a choice of 'threaded' or 'list' - the
latter essentially being a list of the individual posts in columns
titled From, Subject, Sent, Received, Size etc and several more. If I
list by (say) Sent, it's clear that the drug posts tend to be sent in
batches or block - and if I then list by From or Subject, the blocks are
usually even clearer. I can now select and delete each block of drug
posts in one go.

Thunderbird isn't quite as easy as Turnpike. I've only had a quick try,
but I haven't found an option that does quite what Turnpike does.

Another (and maybe simple) way of killing all drug spam might be for all
bona fide users of uk.transport.london to co-operate by add to the
Subject line of every post an agreed 'code word' - and then use a kill
rule to accept only those posts with the code word, and reject the rest.
It's unlikely that any drug spammer would ever realise what was
happening - but if they did, the code word could be changed as
necessary.
--
Ian
Robin
2018-12-21 21:13:32 UTC
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Post by Ian Jackson
Another (and maybe simple) way of killing all drug spam might be for all
bona fide users of uk.transport.london to co-operate by add to the
Subject line of every post an agreed 'code word' - and then use a kill
rule to accept only those posts with the code word, and reject the rest.
It's unlikely that any drug spammer would ever realise what was
happening - but if they did, the code word could be changed as necessary.
I may have misunderstood but that seems to me to tend to pull up the
drawbridge to genuine new posters (whose posts would not be seen).
Unless perhaps there's a rota of people to stand guard - a modern twist
on the traditional guard duty as the guard's job would be to tell
strangers the password :)
--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid
Ian Jackson
2018-12-21 21:29:44 UTC
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Post by Robin
Post by Ian Jackson
Another (and maybe simple) way of killing all drug spam might be for
all bona fide users of uk.transport.london to co-operate by add to
the Subject line of every post an agreed 'code word' - and then use a
kill rule to accept only those posts with the code word, and reject
the rest. It's unlikely that any drug spammer would ever realise what
was happening - but if they did, the code word could be changed as necessary.
I may have misunderstood but that seems to me to tend to pull up the
drawbridge to genuine new posters (whose posts would not be seen).
Unless perhaps there's a rota of people to stand guard - a modern twist
on the traditional guard duty as the guard's job would be to tell
strangers the password :)
Oh, I realised that might be a problem - but it shouldn't be
insuperable. Maybe it could be minimised by all regular posters
indicating what the password is in their standard signature?
--
Ian
Robin
2018-12-21 22:01:07 UTC
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Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Robin
 Another (and maybe simple) way of killing all drug spam might be for
all  bona fide users of uk.transport.london to co-operate by add to
the  Subject line of every post an agreed 'code word' - and then use
a kill  rule to accept only those posts with the code word, and
reject the rest.  It's unlikely that any drug spammer would ever
realise what was  happening - but if they did, the code word could be
changed as necessary.
I may have misunderstood but that seems to me to tend to pull up the
drawbridge to genuine new posters (whose posts would not be seen).
Unless perhaps there's a rota of people to stand guard - a modern
twist on the traditional guard duty as the guard's job would be to
tell strangers the password :)
Oh, I realised that might be a problem - but it shouldn't be
insuperable. Maybe it could be minimised by all regular posters
indicating what the password is in their standard signature?
Understood, thanks.
--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid
Bryan Morris
2018-12-22 09:04:30 UTC
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Post by Ian Jackson
For those posts that do get through, you might find it easier to
distinguish the wheat from the chaff if you don't display the list of
posts as 'threaded'. My normal news client, 'Turnpike' (Demon's own
type of news and mail client),
If you're using Turnpike the rule /@gmail\.com$/a gets rid of anything
posted from a gmail address which all the drug stuff comes from
--
Bryan Morris
Ian Jackson
2018-12-22 10:44:54 UTC
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Post by Bryan Morris
Post by Ian Jackson
For those posts that do get through, you might find it easier to
distinguish the wheat from the chaff if you don't display the list of
posts as 'threaded'. My normal news client, 'Turnpike' (Demon's own
type of news and mail client),
posted from a gmail address which all the drug stuff comes from
I think in the past I've simply used Turnpike's ordinary 'non-custom'
kill rule, specifying *@gmail.com. But of course, either will reject ALL
posts from a Gmail address - which could include bona fide posters.

However, after 20 years of using TP, I think that I'm eventually
beginning starting getting to grips with the first steps in custom
rules!
--
Ian
Bryan Morris
2018-12-22 11:05:05 UTC
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Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by Ian Jackson
For those posts that do get through, you might find it easier to
distinguish the wheat from the chaff if you don't display the list of
posts as 'threaded'. My normal news client, 'Turnpike' (Demon's own
type of news and mail client),
posted from a gmail address which all the drug stuff comes from
I think in the past I've simply used Turnpike's ordinary 'non-custom'
ALL posts from a Gmail address - which could include bona fide posters.
However, after 20 years of using TP, I think that I'm eventually
beginning starting getting to grips with the first steps in custom
rules!
From the very helpful Help File on Turnpike

Kill rules can be specified to kill articles or threads in a newsgroup.
If none the standard forms of kill rules are suitable you may be able to
adapt one of the following examples for the effect you want.

To kill any article from:

***@anycompany.com /^***@anycompany\.com$/a

tom, dick and harry /^(tom|dick|harry)@/a

people who shout /[A-Z][A-Z]/c

anybody at anycompany.com /@anycompany\.com$/a

a thread started by anybody at anycompany.com

/^References:\s*<[^<]*@anycompany\.com>/h

anybody at anycompany.com unless these have "widget" in the subject
/@anycompany\.com$/a & !/widget/s

To kill any article with "widget" in the subject
/widget/s



Copyright (c) 1995-2002 Thus plc.
--
Bryan Morris
Ian Jackson
2018-12-22 13:49:23 UTC
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Post by Bryan Morris
Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Bryan Morris
Post by Ian Jackson
For those posts that do get through, you might find it easier to
distinguish the wheat from the chaff if you don't display the list of
posts as 'threaded'. My normal news client, 'Turnpike' (Demon's own
type of news and mail client),
posted from a gmail address which all the drug stuff comes from
I think in the past I've simply used Turnpike's ordinary 'non-custom'
ALL posts from a Gmail address - which could include bona fide posters.
However, after 20 years of using TP, I think that I'm eventually
beginning starting getting to grips with the first steps in custom
rules!
From the very helpful Help File on Turnpike
Kill rules can be specified to kill articles or threads in a newsgroup.
If none the standard forms of kill rules are suitable you may be able to
adapt one of the following examples for the effect you want.
etc etc.

Yes - I know where the info is, but until you really REALLY RTFM, it all
looks like incomprehensible gobbledegook. It's only a few months ago,
after 20 years of using TP, that I made a positive resolution to at last
try to get to grips with it. Unfortunately, no kill rules can really
provide a once-and-for-all fix for situations where what you're trying
reject keeps on changing - well, not without risking collateral damage.
--
Ian
Roland Perry
2018-12-22 14:04:17 UTC
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Post by Bryan Morris
Copyright (c) 1995-2002 Thus plc.
I'm an ex alpha-tester, from well before Demon (later Thus) bought the
product. Custom rules are good fun, but are somewhat prone to creating
lots of false positives if you haven't been very careful formulating
them.
--
Roland Perry
Ian Jackson
2018-12-22 20:13:16 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
Post by Bryan Morris
Copyright (c) 1995-2002 Thus plc.
I'm an ex alpha-tester, from well before Demon (later Thus) bought the
product. Custom rules are good fun, but are somewhat prone to creating
lots of false positives if you haven't been very careful formulating
them.
I haven't created many custom rules - but I guess that practice makes
perfect!

As far as I have ever bothered to find out, Turnpike doesn't have any
option for what happens to the rejected posts you receive. It simply
marks them with a 'white cross on a red dot', and puts them all together
at the bottom of the list of contents of the newsgroup (or email)
folder. You therefore can see at a glance all the posts that have been
rejected - and before you delete them, if you want you can cast your eye
quickly up and down the list just to check there's nothing there that
shouldn't be.
--
Ian
Bryan Morris
2018-12-22 21:45:51 UTC
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Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Bryan Morris
Copyright (c) 1995-2002 Thus plc.
I'm an ex alpha-tester, from well before Demon (later Thus) bought the
product. Custom rules are good fun, but are somewhat prone to creating
lots of false positives if you haven't been very careful formulating
them.
I haven't created many custom rules - but I guess that practice makes
perfect!
As far as I have ever bothered to find out, Turnpike doesn't have any
option for what happens to the rejected posts you receive. It simply
marks them with a 'white cross on a red dot', and puts them all
together at the bottom of the list of contents of the newsgroup (or
email) folder. You therefore can see at a glance all the posts that
have been rejected - and before you delete them, if you want you can
cast your eye quickly up and down the list just to check there's
nothing there that shouldn't be.
What it does actually is download the headers only (white cross with red
dot, at the bottom of the page)and not the body of the post. Yes a
glance at the headers before removing them en masse reveals anything
caught by the rule that shouldn't be. If there is one just click the
"request article" or "request thread" buttons. As I said I kill anything
from someone on gmail.com and only once did I find a post from a gmail
user.

I actually subscribe to a number of uk.* Groups and this one appears to
have the largest number - uk.legal has a few but on there I kill the
racist and troll posts mainly. Why the idiot insists on posting here I
know not.
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Bryan Morris
Bryan Morris
2018-12-22 21:53:23 UTC
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As I said I kill anything from someone on gmail.com and only once did
I find a post from a gmail user.
^^^^ _genuine_ post from a gmail user.
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Bryan Morris
Roland Perry
2018-12-23 10:27:13 UTC
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As I said I kill anything from someone on gmail.com and only once did I
find a post from a gmail user.
There are three or four of the latter in utl. One in this thread even.
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Roland Perry
Roland Perry
2018-12-23 09:16:47 UTC
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Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Roland Perry
I'm an ex alpha-tester, from well before Demon (later Thus) bought the
product. Custom rules are good fun, but are somewhat prone to creating
lots of false positives if you haven't been very careful formulating
them.
I haven't created many custom rules - but I guess that practice makes
perfect!
As far as I have ever bothered to find out, Turnpike doesn't have any
option for what happens to the rejected posts you receive.
To know it needs to 'kill' them, it first has to download the header.
Having done that, rather than discard them or file them elsewhere
(either of which would risk them being collected again and again) it
keeps them in place.
Post by Ian Jackson
It simply marks them with a 'white cross on a red dot', and puts them
all together at the bottom of the list of contents of the newsgroup (or
email) folder.
It could be the bottom (ie un-read postings) or it might just as easily
be in the middle of a thread. [I read usenet with threading, and
normally the threads expanded.]
Post by Ian Jackson
You therefore can see at a glance all the posts that have been rejected
- and before you delete them, if you want you can cast your eye quickly
up and down the list just to check there's nothing there that shouldn't
be.
And if one looks like the content could after all be relevant, simply
<right click>"Request article".
--
Roland Perry
Ian Jackson
2018-12-23 11:14:44 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Roland Perry
I'm an ex alpha-tester, from well before Demon (later Thus) bought
the product. Custom rules are good fun, but are somewhat prone to
creating lots of false positives if you haven't been very careful
formulating them.
I haven't created many custom rules - but I guess that practice makes
perfect!
As far as I have ever bothered to find out, Turnpike doesn't have any
option for what happens to the rejected posts you receive.
To know it needs to 'kill' them, it first has to download the header.
Having done that, rather than discard them or file them elsewhere
(either of which would risk them being collected again and again) it
keeps them in place.
Post by Ian Jackson
It simply marks them with a 'white cross on a red dot', and puts them
all together at the bottom of the list of contents of the newsgroup
(or email) folder.
It could be the bottom (ie un-read postings) or it might just as easily
be in the middle of a thread.
True - if the rejected post is in a thread of unrejected posts -
otherwise they are usually singletons at the bottom of the list.
Post by Roland Perry
[I read usenet with threading, and normally the threads expanded.]
Unless I'm looking for a particular post, I normally use unexpanded
threads, and read new posts 'as the come' in Next Unread.
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Ian Jackson
You therefore can see at a glance all the posts that have been
rejected - and before you delete them, if you want you can cast your
eye quickly up and down the list just to check there's nothing there
that shouldn't be.
And if one looks like the content could after all be relevant, simply
<right click>"Request article".
Indeed.

Incidentally, I've tried to make Thunderbird emulate Turnpike's
automatic marking rejected posts with a red dot (using Message
Filtering). It seems to be working for new incoming specific Gmail posts
(and maybe even for *@gmail.com?), but not if I do a manual Run Now on
posts already received.

But no matter how well you filter incoming posts, you're still faced
with the never-ending battle when the spammer keeps changing the
information you choose to reject on. As I said, if there is a bunch of
bona fide regulars using a newsgroup, it might be interesting to try
adding a 'password' to the Subject line, and key off that.
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Ian
Roland Perry
2018-12-23 17:09:15 UTC
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Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Roland Perry
I'm an ex alpha-tester, from well before Demon (later Thus) bought
the product. Custom rules are good fun, but are somewhat prone to
creating lots of false positives if you haven't been very careful
formulating them.
I haven't created many custom rules - but I guess that practice makes
perfect!
As far as I have ever bothered to find out, Turnpike doesn't have any
option for what happens to the rejected posts you receive.
To know it needs to 'kill' them, it first has to download the header.
Having done that, rather than discard them or file them elsewhere
(either of which would risk them being collected again and again) it
keeps them in place.
Post by Ian Jackson
It simply marks them with a 'white cross on a red dot', and puts them
all together at the bottom of the list of contents of the newsgroup
(or email) folder.
It could be the bottom (ie un-read postings) or it might just as
easily be in the middle of a thread.
True - if the rejected post is in a thread of unrejected posts -
otherwise they are usually singletons at the bottom of the list.
If it's not the first, it will inevitably be the second.
Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Roland Perry
[I read usenet with threading, and normally the threads expanded.]
Unless I'm looking for a particular post, I normally use unexpanded
threads, and read new posts 'as the come' in Next Unread.
I prefer to reply to threads by first looking for people who commented
to me, and therefore I'll give priority to commenting back.

Turnpike does that at the layer higher up by having "Interesting"
threads. But what I'd need is "Very interesting subthreads". However,
this is something which has to be done manually.
Post by Ian Jackson
But no matter how well you filter incoming posts, you're still faced
with the never-ending battle when the spammer keeps changing the
information you choose to reject on. As I said, if there is a bunch of
bona fide regulars using a newsgroup, it might be interesting to try
adding a 'password' to the Subject line, and key off that.
I'm not sure why this, of the 100k+ newsgroups in the world, needs that
rather special local protocol.
--
Roland Perry
David Cantrell
2019-01-02 13:18:04 UTC
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Post by tim...
it might be easy to delete "today's" batch
but when you have just come back from holiday and have 4-5 weeks to delete,
it ain't quite so easy
I just came back from a few weeks away. It was easy. The spam is easily
visible from the Subject line alone so you don't need to open and
inspect each message individually, and so can use your client's function
to mass-delete an entire thread at a time. Took me a few seconds.
--
David Cantrell | Minister for Arbitrary Justice

Anyone willing to give up a little fun for tolerance deserves neither
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2018-12-23 09:02:28 UTC
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Post by SB
The spam from this scum has been reported to the authorities in the UK and to Google. Nothing has been done. How else to these posts? SB
This must be the busiest group on the whole of Usenet.
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