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Excellent picture of a broken rail following a derailment
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Recliner
2020-01-27 13:49:17 UTC
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Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin.
Dick
2020-01-27 14:29:46 UTC
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Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin.
Do we know if the broken rail caused the derailment or whether the derailed
train caused the damage shown in the photo?
Basil Jet
2020-01-27 15:48:32 UTC
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Post by Recliner
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Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin.
"Eight bridges were also damaged"

Holy crap!
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b***@nowhere.org
2020-01-27 15:56:03 UTC
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Post by Recliner
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-derails-repair-work-starts.html
Post by Recliner
Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin.
"Eight bridges were also damaged"
Holy crap!
Whatever if any warning systems there are on the train to warn the driver
of a possible derailment clearly didn't work if it took him 2 miles to
notice since if the freight on the Goblin runs at the same speed as the NLL
then it was probably trundling along at under 30mph so could have stopped
fairly quickly.
Basil Jet
2020-01-27 15:59:51 UTC
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Post by Recliner
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:55 +0000,
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-derails-repair-work-starts.html
Post by Recliner
Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin.
"Eight bridges were also damaged"
Holy crap!
Whatever if any warning systems there are on the train to warn the driver
of a possible derailment clearly didn't work if it took him 2 miles to
notice since if the freight on the Goblin runs at the same speed as the NLL
then it was probably trundling along at under 30mph so could have stopped
fairly quickly.
Although it goes under 8 bridges in 600 metres in Walthamstow.
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Recliner
2020-01-27 16:04:36 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:48:32 +0000
Post by Recliner
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:55 +0000,
https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/01/bridges-and-track-damaged-as-freight-train
-derails-repair-work-starts.html
Post by Recliner
Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin.
"Eight bridges were also damaged"
Holy crap!
Whatever if any warning systems there are on the train to warn the driver
of a possible derailment clearly didn't work if it took him 2 miles to
notice since if the freight on the Goblin runs at the same speed as the NLL
then it was probably trundling along at under 30mph so could have stopped
fairly quickly.
Is there any such warning system?
b***@nowhere.org
2020-01-27 17:25:21 UTC
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Post by b***@nowhere.org
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:48:32 +0000
Post by Recliner
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:55 +0000,
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Post by b***@nowhere.org
-derails-repair-work-starts.html
Post by Recliner
Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin.
"Eight bridges were also damaged"
Holy crap!
Whatever if any warning systems there are on the train to warn the driver
of a possible derailment clearly didn't work if it took him 2 miles to
notice since if the freight on the Goblin runs at the same speed as the NLL
then it was probably trundling along at under 30mph so could have stopped
fairly quickly.
Is there any such warning system?
Don't know. But don't freight logos have wing mirrors so the driver can spot
any problems down the train like a wagon out of line or dust being thrown up?
Anna Noyd-Dryver
2020-01-28 10:05:56 UTC
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Post by b***@nowhere.org
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 16:04:36 -0000 (UTC)
Post by b***@nowhere.org
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:48:32 +0000
Post by Recliner
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:55 +0000,
https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/01/bridges-and-track-damaged-as-freight-train
Post by b***@nowhere.org
-derails-repair-work-starts.html
Post by Recliner
Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin.
"Eight bridges were also damaged"
Holy crap!
Whatever if any warning systems there are on the train to warn the driver
of a possible derailment clearly didn't work if it took him 2 miles to
notice since if the freight on the Goblin runs at the same speed as the NLL
then it was probably trundling along at under 30mph so could have stopped
fairly quickly.
Is there any such warning system?
Don't know. But don't freight logos have wing mirrors so the driver can spot
any problems down the train like a wagon out of line or dust being thrown up?
That's fine if you're on dead straight track. Add in a curve, particularly
reverse curves, or lineside structures/foliage, and your chances of seeing
the back of the train are minimal.

The mirrors on 66s were installed for assistance during shunting rather
than to see back down a train in motion, IIRC.


Anna Noyd-Dryver
h***@yahoo.co.uk
2020-01-27 18:21:46 UTC
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:48:32 +0000
Post by Recliner
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:55 +0000,
https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/01/bridges-and-track-damaged-as-freight-train
-derails-repair-work-starts.html
Post by Recliner
Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin.
"Eight bridges were also damaged"
Holy crap!
Whatever if any warning systems there are on the train to warn the driver
of a possible derailment clearly didn't work if it took him 2 miles to
notice since if the freight on the Goblin runs at the same speed as the NLL
then it was probably trundling along at under 30mph so could have stopped
fairly quickly.
Is there any such warning system?
I don't know if there is anything on board, though I would imagine that
line controllers could see that and be able to call a Code Red.


The Alaska Railroad has something in the event of tracks being somehow
compromised.
h***@yahoo.co.uk
2020-01-27 18:25:19 UTC
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Post by b***@nowhere.org
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:48:32 +0000
Post by Recliner
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:55 +0000,
https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/01/bridges-and-track-damaged-as-freight-train
-derails-repair-work-starts.html
Post by Recliner
Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin.
"Eight bridges were also damaged"
Holy crap!
Whatever if any warning systems there are on the train to warn the driver
of a possible derailment clearly didn't work if it took him 2 miles to
notice since if the freight on the Goblin runs at the same speed as the NLL
then it was probably trundling along at under 30mph so could have stopped
fairly quickly.
Is there any such warning system?
I don't know if there is anything on board, though I would imagine that
line controllers could see that and be able to call a Code Red.
The Alaska Railroad has something in the event of tracks being somehow
compromised.
That is to say, their locomotives are fitted with a warning system if
the track ahead is compromised.
Anna Noyd-Dryver
2020-01-28 10:05:56 UTC
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Post by b***@nowhere.org
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:48:32 +0000
Post by Recliner
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:55 +0000,
https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/01/bridges-and-track-damaged-as-freight-train
-derails-repair-work-starts.html
Post by Recliner
Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin.
"Eight bridges were also damaged"
Holy crap!
Whatever if any warning systems there are on the train to warn the driver
of a possible derailment clearly didn't work if it took him 2 miles to
notice since if the freight on the Goblin runs at the same speed as the NLL
then it was probably trundling along at under 30mph so could have stopped
fairly quickly.
Is there any such warning system?
I don't know if there is anything on board, though I would imagine that
line controllers could see that and be able to call a Code Red.
Signallers will notice when trackside equipment is damaged by the train,
though the first few faults are likely to be assumed to be just normal
faults, until a pattern emerges.

What's a code red? The UK doesn't have such things as a general,
railway-wide scheme; though it may have specific local meaning.


Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk
The Alaska Railroad has something in the event of tracks being somehow
compromised.
How does it work?


Anna Noyd-Dryver
h***@yahoo.co.uk
2020-01-28 17:40:16 UTC
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Post by b***@nowhere.org
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:48:32 +0000
Post by Recliner
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:34:55 +0000,
https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/01/bridges-and-track-damaged-as-freight-train
-derails-repair-work-starts.html
Post by Recliner
Yes, that's the latest problem to hit the unfortunate GOBLin.
"Eight bridges were also damaged"
Holy crap!
Whatever if any warning systems there are on the train to warn the driver
of a possible derailment clearly didn't work if it took him 2 miles to
notice since if the freight on the Goblin runs at the same speed as the NLL
then it was probably trundling along at under 30mph so could have stopped
fairly quickly.
Is there any such warning system?
I don't know if there is anything on board, though I would imagine that
line controllers could see that and be able to call a Code Red.
Signallers will notice when trackside equipment is damaged by the train,
though the first few faults are likely to be assumed to be just normal
faults, until a pattern emerges.
What's a code red? The UK doesn't have such things as a general,
railway-wide scheme; though it may have specific local meaning.
http://youtu.be/jZn1fhMdrbQ
Sorry, this would be an order to all drivers to come to a safe stop and
stay where they are.

They use that on LUL, though I realise that this is a different entity
to NR.
Post by Anna Noyd-Dryver
Post by h***@yahoo.co.uk
The Alaska Railroad has something in the event of tracks being somehow
compromised.
How does it work?
I don't know.

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