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Brent Cross Thameslink affected by TfL funding crisis
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Basil Jet
2020-12-06 00:18:47 UTC
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https://www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/blow-for-north-london-station-plans-23-09-2020/



Transport for London (TfL) has said it cannot fund plans to modify the
under-construction Brent Cross West station to enable a connection to
the proposed West London Orbital (WLO) railway.

Platform space has been reserved at the station for the WLO railway – a
London Overground extension which would involve the opening up of a
freight railway for passenger use.

However in a letter to Barnet Council, TfL said that given the “current
financial climate” and while it awaits “longer term certainty” on
funding, it is unable to contribute the estimated £1.4M needed to make
the design changes.

The transport operator added that there are no potential alternative
funding sources that would be “available within the required timescale”.

The Brent Cross West project is part of urban regeneration plans for the
wider Brent Cross area. It involves the construction of a new rail
station that will be linked to the nearby Brent Cross South scheme and
is scheduled for completion by the end of 2022.

Approved by Barnet Council, the proposed design changes to incorporate
the WLO would introduce an additional island platform and connections to
the footbridge.

TfL did express continued support for the WLO, emphasising that
feasibility work is ongoing.

As such, the project is “still identified as a scheme that can help
support the vital shift away from private car use” and the decision
“does not preclude the future integration” of the WLO at the station.

TfL said: “Serving Brent Cross West remains a priority for the WLO
project and the design information you have helpfully provided will be a
useful basis for the future feasibility work on the WLO. It will help
inform the most effective and cost-efficient option for integration when
we reach that stage in the project. We will continue to ensure you are
kept informed of how this work progresses.”
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Certes
2020-12-06 11:16:28 UTC
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https://www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/blow-for-north-london-station-plans-23-09-2020/
Transport for London (TfL) has said it cannot fund plans to modify the
under-construction Brent Cross West station to enable a connection to
the proposed West London Orbital (WLO) railway.
Platform space has been reserved at the station for the WLO railway – a
London Overground extension which would involve the opening up of a
freight railway for passenger use.
However in a letter to Barnet Council, TfL said that given the “current
financial climate” and while it awaits “longer term certainty” on
funding, it is unable to contribute the estimated £1.4M needed to make
the design changes.
The transport operator added that there are no potential alternative
funding sources that would be “available within the required timescale”.
The Brent Cross West project is part of urban regeneration plans for the
wider Brent Cross area. It involves the construction of a new rail
station that will be linked to the nearby Brent Cross South scheme and
is scheduled for completion by the end of 2022.
Approved by Barnet Council, the proposed design changes to incorporate
the WLO would introduce an additional island platform and connections to
the footbridge.
TfL did express continued support for the WLO, emphasising that
feasibility work is ongoing.
As such, the project is “still identified as a scheme that can help
support the vital shift away from private car use” and the decision
“does not preclude the future integration” of the WLO at the station.
TfL said: “Serving Brent Cross West remains a priority for the WLO
project and the design information you have helpfully provided will be a
useful basis for the future feasibility work on the WLO. It will help
inform the most effective and cost-efficient option for integration when
we reach that stage in the project. We will continue to ensure you are
kept informed of how this work progresses.”
I wonder how much it would cost to widen platform 4 at Cricklewood to
become an island with a second face serving the Dudding Hill line.
No bridges or lifts required. There's even a crossover in the perfect
place to rejoin the right line for the return journey.
Roland Perry
2020-12-06 11:21:03 UTC
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Post by Basil Jet
https://www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/blow-for-north-london-station-p
lans-23-09-2020/ Transport for London (TfL) has said it cannot
fund plans to modify the under-construction Brent Cross West station
to enable a connection to the proposed West London Orbital (WLO) railway.
Platform space has been reserved at the station for the WLO railway
– a London Overground extension which would involve the opening up
of a freight railway for passenger use.
However in a letter to Barnet Council, TfL said that given the
“current financial climate” and while it awaits “longer term
certainty” on funding, it is unable to contribute the estimated
£1.4M needed to make the design changes.
The transport operator added that there are no potential alternative
funding sources that would be “available within the required
timescale”.
The Brent Cross West project is part of urban regeneration plans for
the wider Brent Cross area. It involves the construction of a new
rail station that will be linked to the nearby Brent Cross South
scheme and is scheduled for completion by the end of 2022.
Approved by Barnet Council, the proposed design changes to
incorporate the WLO would introduce an additional island platform and
connections to the footbridge.
TfL did express continued support for the WLO, emphasising that
feasibility work is ongoing.
As such, the project is “still identified as a scheme that can
help support the vital shift away from private car use” and the
decision “does not preclude the future integration” of the WLO at
the station.
TfL said: “Serving Brent Cross West remains a priority for the WLO
project and the design information you have helpfully provided will be
a useful basis for the future feasibility work on the WLO. It will
help inform the most effective and cost-efficient option for
integration when we reach that stage in the project. We will continue
to ensure you are kept informed of how this work progresses.”
I wonder how much it would cost to widen platform 4 at Cricklewood to
become an island with a second face serving the Dudding Hill line.
No bridges or lifts required. There's even a crossover in the perfect
place to rejoin the right line for the return journey.
D we know if the £1.4m above is the cost of the extra construction, or
the cost of doing the study to work out how much it costs to alter the
design to make such construction possible in the future?
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Roland Perry
GB
2020-12-06 13:42:08 UTC
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Post by Basil Jet
https://www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/blow-for-north-london-station-p
lans-23-09-2020/      Transport for London (TfL) has said it cannot
fund plans to modify the  under-construction Brent Cross West station
to enable a connection to  the proposed West London Orbital (WLO)
railway.
 Platform space has been reserved at the station for the WLO railway
– a  London Overground extension which would involve the opening up
of a  freight railway for passenger use.
 However in a letter to Barnet Council, TfL said that given the
“current  financial climate” and while it awaits “longer term
certainty” on  funding, it is unable to contribute the estimated
£1.4M needed to make  the design changes.
 The transport operator added that there are no potential alternative
funding sources that would be “available within the required timescale”.
 The Brent Cross West project is part of urban regeneration plans for
the  wider Brent Cross area. It involves the construction of a new
rail  station that will be linked to the nearby Brent Cross South
scheme and  is scheduled for completion by the end of 2022.
 Approved by Barnet Council, the proposed design changes to
incorporate  the WLO would introduce an additional island platform
and connections to  the footbridge.
 TfL did express continued support for the WLO, emphasising that
feasibility work is ongoing.
 As such, the project is “still identified as a scheme that can help
support the vital shift away from private car use” and the decision
“does not preclude the future integration” of the WLO at the station.
 TfL said: “Serving Brent Cross West remains a priority for the WLO
project and the design information you have helpfully provided will
be a  useful basis for the future feasibility work on the WLO. It
will help  inform the most effective and cost-efficient option for
integration when  we reach that stage in the project. We will
continue to ensure you are  kept informed of how this work progresses.”
I wonder how much it would cost to widen platform 4 at Cricklewood to
become an island with a second face serving the Dudding Hill line.
No bridges or lifts required.  There's even a crossover in the perfect
place to rejoin the right line for the return journey.
D we know if the £1.4m above is the cost of the extra construction, or
the cost of doing the study to work out how much it costs to alter the
design to make such construction possible in the future?
That's going to be an absolutely massive housing development. Thousands
of homes. Sorting out the transport links is essential to it being a
decent place to live, and it sounds like the cost is quite modest.
Roland Perry
2020-12-06 14:51:25 UTC
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Post by Basil Jet
https://www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/blow-for-north-london-station-p
lans-23-09-2020/      Transport for London (TfL) has said it
cannot fund plans to modify the  under-construction Brent Cross
West station to enable a connection to  the proposed West London
Orbital (WLO) railway.
 Platform space has been reserved at the station for the WLO
railway – a  London Overground extension which would involve the
opening up of a  freight railway for passenger use.
 However in a letter to Barnet Council, TfL said that given the
“current  financial climate” and while it awaits “longer term
certainty” on  funding, it is unable to contribute the estimated
£1.4M needed to make  the design changes.
 The transport operator added that there are no potential
alternative funding sources that would be “available within the
required timescale”.
 The Brent Cross West project is part of urban regeneration plans
for the  wider Brent Cross area. It involves the construction of a
new rail  station that will be linked to the nearby Brent Cross
South scheme and  is scheduled for completion by the end of 2022.
 Approved by Barnet Council, the proposed design changes to
incorporate  the WLO would introduce an additional island platform
and connections to  the footbridge.
 TfL did express continued support for the WLO, emphasising that
feasibility work is ongoing.
 As such, the project is “still identified as a scheme that can
help support the vital shift away from private car use” and the
decision “does not preclude the future integration” of the WLO
at the station.
 TfL said: “Serving Brent Cross West remains a priority for the
WLO project and the design information you have helpfully provided
will be a  useful basis for the future feasibility work on the WLO.
It will help  inform the most effective and cost-efficient option
for integration when  we reach that stage in the project. We will
continue to ensure you are  kept informed of how this work progresses.”
I wonder how much it would cost to widen platform 4 at Cricklewood to
become an island with a second face serving the Dudding Hill line.
No bridges or lifts required.  There's even a crossover in the perfect
place to rejoin the right line for the return journey.
D we know if the £1.4m above is the cost of the extra construction,
or the cost of doing the study to work out how much it costs to alter
the design to make such construction possible in the future?
That's going to be an absolutely massive housing development. Thousands
of homes. Sorting out the transport links is essential to it being a
decent place to live, and it sounds like the cost is quite modest.
Is the modest cost the planning, or the delivery? And you'd have
thought that TfL would have realised that thousands of homes would
produce enough SIL (or whatever) funding, but they say there's nothing
available.
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Roland Perry
GB
2020-12-06 16:51:14 UTC
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Post by Certes
Post by Basil Jet
https://www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/blow-for-north-london-station-p
lans-23-09-2020/      Transport for London (TfL) has said it cannot
fund plans to modify the  under-construction Brent Cross West
station  to enable a connection to  the proposed West London
Orbital (WLO)  railway.
 Platform space has been reserved at the station for the WLO
railway  – a  London Overground extension which would involve the
opening up  of a  freight railway for passenger use.
 However in a letter to Barnet Council, TfL said that given the
“current  financial climate” and while it awaits “longer term
certainty” on  funding, it is unable to contribute the estimated
£1.4M needed to make  the design changes.
 The transport operator added that there are no potential
alternative  funding sources that would be “available within the
required timescale”.
 The Brent Cross West project is part of urban regeneration plans
for  the  wider Brent Cross area. It involves the construction of a
new  rail  station that will be linked to the nearby Brent Cross
South  scheme and  is scheduled for completion by the end of 2022.
 Approved by Barnet Council, the proposed design changes to
incorporate  the WLO would introduce an additional island platform
and connections to  the footbridge.
 TfL did express continued support for the WLO, emphasising that
feasibility work is ongoing.
 As such, the project is “still identified as a scheme that can
help  support the vital shift away from private car use” and the
decision  “does not preclude the future integration” of the WLO at
the station.
 TfL said: “Serving Brent Cross West remains a priority for the WLO
project and the design information you have helpfully provided will
be a  useful basis for the future feasibility work on the WLO. It
will help  inform the most effective and cost-efficient option for
integration when  we reach that stage in the project. We will
continue to ensure you are  kept informed of how this work progresses.”
I wonder how much it would cost to widen platform 4 at Cricklewood to
become an island with a second face serving the Dudding Hill line.
No bridges or lifts required.  There's even a crossover in the perfect
place to rejoin the right line for the return journey.
 D we know if the £1.4m above is the cost of the extra construction,
or  the cost of doing the study to work out how much it costs to
alter the  design to make such construction possible in the future?
That's going to be an absolutely massive housing development.
Thousands of homes. Sorting out the transport links is essential to it
being a decent place to live, and it sounds like the cost is quite
modest.
Is the modest cost the planning, or the delivery? And you'd have
thought that TfL would have realised that thousands of homes would
produce enough SIL (or whatever) funding, but they say there's nothing
available.
TFL are currently utterly strapped for cash, so they may recognise the
need for this transport link in the long term but have no means of
funding any expenditure at the moment.
Theo
2020-12-06 23:13:26 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
Is the modest cost the planning, or the delivery? And you'd have
thought that TfL would have realised that thousands of homes would
produce enough SIL (or whatever) funding, but they say there's nothing
available.
"10.3 Cost Estimation
There will be two costs associated with passive provision
and early investment for the alterations to the existing BXW station design.
One is the cost for modifying the existing architectural, structural and
civil engineering design. The second is the construction costfor these
alterations.

10.3.1 Design Cost Estimation
Design only alterations has been estimated to be about circa£30,000 based
on a project team made up of Architects, Structural and Civil
engineersworking with the assumptions that:

* the WLO footbridge capacity will be similar to the BXW
footbridge,
* the WLO footbridge connections will be to designto existing
structurenodes therefore, no new columnpositionswill be required,
* Uniform level between the concourse and the WLO footbridge can be achieved
without alterations to BXW track and platform vertical clearances, and
* Use of similar construction type i.e. steelwork construction."
[snip]
"10.3.2 Construction Cost Estimation
The cost for the installation of the passive provisions and early investment
elements will need to be discussed in detail with the BXW contractor.
Although, this cost will be largelyfrom construction materialsit is possible
the other influencing factors could drive cost e.g. availability and lead
times for materials and plants, construction methodology etc. There is an
opportunity for early contractor involvement on this subject to identify
areas of opportunities and risks for efficient delivery."

https://www.barnet.gov.uk/sites/default/files/wlo_brent_cross_west_interchange_feasibility_study_report_rev_p02.pdf


so presumably the cost is delivery of whatever needs to be delivered now, as
opposed to purely design work.

I would guess it would be possible to do it in future (the site would remain
available), but more expensively.

Theo

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