Discussion:
Dukes Avenue bridge, on disused Alexandra Palace branch, may be demolished
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Basil Jet
2020-08-30 22:48:23 UTC
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Graeme Wall
2020-08-31 07:01:03 UTC
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Doesn't appear to be architecturally distinguished though a nice example
of a brick built arch bridge.
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Marland
2020-08-31 09:27:55 UTC
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Doesn't appear to be architecturally distinguished though a nice example
of a brick built arch bridge.
Surprised it hasn’t been absolutely covered in Graffiti like others along
the Parkland walk ,
a few years ago I took the W3 bus from F/Park to Ally Pally and it passed
under one of the bridges
on the route and it looked like the hanging gardens of Babylon due to Ivy
etc and while at least it looked better than graffiti probably wasn’t
doing the structure much good.
Looking at street view (on an I pad so no historical option) I cannot
identify it now so must have been tidied up, at least one bridge has
already been replaced by a much lighter structure to retain the footpath.

GH
b***@nuttyella.co.uk
2020-08-31 08:46:10 UTC
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Post by Basil Jet
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Never mind demolishing it - they should reinstate the line to muswell hill. All
the trackbed is still in situ from there back to highgate sidings and putting
track back down and restoring highgate high level station would cost buttons in
comparisons to white elephants such as crossrail. I'm pretty sure a shuttle
service to and from highgate to catch the main northern line would be pretty
popular given the current alternative is the bus to wood green.
Scott
2020-08-31 09:39:05 UTC
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On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 23:48:23 +0100
Post by Basil Jet
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shed-1-6733534
Never mind demolishing it - they should reinstate the line to muswell hill. All
the trackbed is still in situ from there back to highgate sidings and putting
track back down and restoring highgate high level station would cost buttons in
comparisons to white elephants such as crossrail. I'm pretty sure a shuttle
service to and from highgate to catch the main northern line would be pretty
popular given the current alternative is the bus to wood green.
Which line? I believe the original 'Northern Heights' project was to
extend the Northern Line to Alexandra Palace. Are you looking at a
branch or just a shuttle from the high level station at Highgate? If
the latter, could it be trams rather than trains?

Is the project to build a hotel at Alexandra Palace still live? Maybe
the developers could contribute.
b***@nowhere.co.uk
2020-08-31 09:43:19 UTC
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Post by Basil Jet
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Never mind demolishing it - they should reinstate the line to muswell hill.
All
Post by b***@nuttyella.co.uk
the trackbed is still in situ from there back to highgate sidings and putting
track back down and restoring highgate high level station would cost buttons
in
Post by b***@nuttyella.co.uk
comparisons to white elephants such as crossrail. I'm pretty sure a shuttle
service to and from highgate to catch the main northern line would be pretty
popular given the current alternative is the bus to wood green.
Which line? I believe the original 'Northern Heights' project was to
extend the Northern Line to Alexandra Palace. Are you looking at a
branch or just a shuttle from the high level station at Highgate? If
the latter, could it be trams rather than trains?
Yes, a shuttle to highgate high level. Taking the line back to finsbury park
would be next to impossible now and the short section from muswell hill to the
palace has a school built on the trackbed so thats a non starter. I guess you
could use a tram but given there's a large northern line depot at highgate it
would probably be easier just to use a northern line train, perhaps 3 cars only.
Post by Scott
Is the project to build a hotel at Alexandra Palace still live? Maybe
the developers could contribute.
Beats me, not heard about it. I don't live in that area but I do visit quite
often.
Anna Noyd-Dryver
2020-09-01 07:12:50 UTC
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Post by Scott
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Post by Basil Jet
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Post by Basil Jet
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Never mind demolishing it - they should reinstate the line to muswell hill.
All
Post by b***@nuttyella.co.uk
the trackbed is still in situ from there back to highgate sidings and putting
track back down and restoring highgate high level station would cost buttons
in
Post by b***@nuttyella.co.uk
comparisons to white elephants such as crossrail. I'm pretty sure a shuttle
service to and from highgate to catch the main northern line would be pretty
popular given the current alternative is the bus to wood green.
Which line? I believe the original 'Northern Heights' project was to
extend the Northern Line to Alexandra Palace. Are you looking at a
branch or just a shuttle from the high level station at Highgate? If
the latter, could it be trams rather than trains?
Yes, a shuttle to highgate high level. Taking the line back to finsbury park
would be next to impossible now and the short section from muswell hill to the
palace has a school built on the trackbed so thats a non starter. I guess you
could use a tram but given there's a large northern line depot at highgate it
would probably be easier just to use a northern line train, perhaps 3 cars only.
Although they're formed of two half-sets (DM-T-UNDM), I don't think any
double-ended half sets exist, so there are no three-car trains to run.


Anna Noyd-Dryver
b***@nuttyella.co.uk
2020-09-01 09:34:16 UTC
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Post by Anna Noyd-Dryver
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would probably be easier just to use a northern line train, perhaps 3 cars
only.
Although they're formed of two half-sets (DM-T-UNDM), I don't think any
double-ended half sets exist, so there are no three-car trains to run.
Ah, didn't know that. Well I'm sure they could sort something out but its
all academic anyway as the line would never have happened anyway and certainly
not now with the state of TfLs finances. Its a good thing the battersea
extension is almost done or that would probably have got the chop but I
suspect the bakerloo extension is now dead in the water.
Recliner
2020-09-01 09:46:03 UTC
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Post by Anna Noyd-Dryver
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would probably be easier just to use a northern line train, perhaps 3 cars
only.
Although they're formed of two half-sets (DM-T-UNDM), I don't think any
double-ended half sets exist, so there are no three-car trains to run.
Ah, didn't know that. Well I'm sure they could sort something out but its
all academic anyway as the line would never have happened anyway and certainly
not now with the state of TfLs finances. Its a good thing the battersea
extension is almost done or that would probably have got the chop but I
suspect the bakerloo extension is now dead in the water.
Yes, all TfL projects that weren't already under way are on hold.

So, the new Piccadilly line train order is going ahead, but the extension
of the order to replace the even-older Bakerloo line trains is on hold.
That delay will become expensive if it leads to a break in production in
Goole. And, of course, the Bakerloo extension, also on hold, will depend on
the new train order going ahead. The Piccadilly resignalling, needed for a
higher frequency service, is also on hold. So they can't order the extra
trains that the Piccadilly would need for that higher frequency service. It
really is a logjam.
Scott
2020-09-01 09:52:38 UTC
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Post by Anna Noyd-Dryver
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would probably be easier just to use a northern line train, perhaps 3 cars
only.
Although they're formed of two half-sets (DM-T-UNDM), I don't think any
double-ended half sets exist, so there are no three-car trains to run.
Ah, didn't know that. Well I'm sure they could sort something out but its
all academic anyway as the line would never have happened anyway and certainly
not now with the state of TfLs finances. Its a good thing the battersea
extension is almost done or that would probably have got the chop but I
suspect the bakerloo extension is now dead in the water.
I thought Battersea was external funding.
Recliner
2020-09-01 09:58:34 UTC
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Post by Anna Noyd-Dryver
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would probably be easier just to use a northern line train, perhaps 3 cars
only.
Although they're formed of two half-sets (DM-T-UNDM), I don't think any
double-ended half sets exist, so there are no three-car trains to run.
Ah, didn't know that. Well I'm sure they could sort something out but its
all academic anyway as the line would never have happened anyway and certainly
not now with the state of TfLs finances. Its a good thing the battersea
extension is almost done or that would probably have got the chop but I
suspect the bakerloo extension is now dead in the water.
I thought Battersea was external funding.
I think only partly. But it does mean there are external contractual
commitments to get it finished and open.

There was also supposed to be an order for extra trains for the Northern
line, but that was quietly dropped a while ago.
b***@nuttyella.co.uk
2020-09-01 10:22:02 UTC
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Post by Recliner
I think only partly. But it does mean there are external contractual
commitments to get it finished and open.
There was also supposed to be an order for extra trains for the Northern
line, but that was quietly dropped a while ago.
I wonder if they could tack a few onto the back of the picc order or whether
the trains would be too different to be able to run on the northern without
serious modifications. The northern line at 1 point had 3 different train
types running on it - 38,59,72 so it wouldn't be unprecedented.

Graeme Wall
2020-08-31 09:40:03 UTC
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Never mind demolishing it - they should reinstate the line to muswell hill. All
the trackbed is still in situ from there back to highgate sidings and putting
track back down and restoring highgate high level station would cost buttons in
comparisons to white elephants such as crossrail. I'm pretty sure a shuttle
service to and from highgate to catch the main northern line would be pretty
popular given the current alternative is the bus to wood green.
So a couple of hundred, at most, commuters a day compared to the white
elephant carrying tens of thousands.
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b***@nowhere.co.uk
2020-08-31 15:24:45 UTC
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Post by Basil Jet
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Never mind demolishing it - they should reinstate the line to muswell hill.
All
Post by b***@nuttyella.co.uk
the trackbed is still in situ from there back to highgate sidings and putting
track back down and restoring highgate high level station would cost buttons
in
Post by b***@nuttyella.co.uk
comparisons to white elephants such as crossrail. I'm pretty sure a shuttle
service to and from highgate to catch the main northern line would be pretty
popular given the current alternative is the bus to wood green.
So a couple of hundred, at most, commuters a day compared to the white
elephant carrying tens of thousands.
A couple of hundred? You've never been to muswell hill have you.

And crossrail sure as hell won't be carrying 10s of thousands anytime soon
even if it does open next year which it probably won't.
Recliner
2020-08-31 15:30:34 UTC
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Post by Basil Jet
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Never mind demolishing it - they should reinstate the line to muswell hill.
All
Post by b***@nuttyella.co.uk
the trackbed is still in situ from there back to highgate sidings and putting
track back down and restoring highgate high level station would cost buttons
in
Post by b***@nuttyella.co.uk
comparisons to white elephants such as crossrail. I'm pretty sure a shuttle
service to and from highgate to catch the main northern line would be pretty
popular given the current alternative is the bus to wood green.
So a couple of hundred, at most, commuters a day compared to the white
elephant carrying tens of thousands.
A couple of hundred? You've never been to muswell hill have you.
And crossrail sure as hell won't be carrying 10s of thousands anytime soon
even if it does open next year which it probably won't.
It definitely won't open in 2021, and won't fully open till at least 2023.
b***@nowhere.co.uk
2020-08-31 15:47:11 UTC
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Never mind demolishing it - they should reinstate the line to muswell hill.
All
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the trackbed is still in situ from there back to highgate sidings and
putting
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track back down and restoring highgate high level station would cost
buttons
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Post by Graeme Wall
in
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comparisons to white elephants such as crossrail. I'm pretty sure a shuttle
service to and from highgate to catch the main northern line would be
pretty
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Post by Graeme Wall
Post by b***@nuttyella.co.uk
popular given the current alternative is the bus to wood green.
So a couple of hundred, at most, commuters a day compared to the white
elephant carrying tens of thousands.
A couple of hundred? You've never been to muswell hill have you.
And crossrail sure as hell won't be carrying 10s of thousands anytime soon
even if it does open next year which it probably won't.
It definitely won't open in 2021, and won't fully open till at least 2023.
This is beyond incompetant management and unrealistic tendering timescales. I
wonder if there's been some active sabotage, supplies theft or some other
criminal activities going on down at site level that they don't want the public
to know about. These are huge sites and even with Covid workers should be able
to socially distance quite adequately to get on with the job.
Bryan Morris
2020-08-31 09:58:48 UTC
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Post by Basil Jet
https://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/heritage/historic-railway-bridge-could-b
e-demoli
shed-1-6733534
Never mind demolishing it - they should reinstate the line to muswell hill. All
the trackbed is still in situ from there back to highgate sidings and putting
track back down and restoring highgate high level station would cost buttons in
comparisons to white elephants such as crossrail. I'm pretty sure a shuttle
service to and from highgate to catch the main northern line would be pretty
popular given the current alternative is the bus to wood green.
It's over 40 years since, as a Haringey Councillor and member of the
Alexander Palace and park committee I proposed a unique light railway,
part at ground level, part suspended on the old line. Funded by the,
then, EEC and running from Highgate high level station

A feasibility study was turned down by those who said it would ruin the
Parkland Walk
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b***@nowhere.co.uk
2020-08-31 15:29:26 UTC
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Post by b***@nuttyella.co.uk
On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 23:48:23 +0100
Post by Basil Jet
https://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/heritage/historic-railway-bridge-could-b
e-demoli
shed-1-6733534
Never mind demolishing it - they should reinstate the line to muswell hill.
All
Post by b***@nuttyella.co.uk
the trackbed is still in situ from there back to highgate sidings and putting
track back down and restoring highgate high level station would cost buttons
in
Post by b***@nuttyella.co.uk
comparisons to white elephants such as crossrail. I'm pretty sure a shuttle
service to and from highgate to catch the main northern line would be pretty
popular given the current alternative is the bus to wood green.
It's over 40 years since, as a Haringey Councillor and member of the
Alexander Palace and park committee I proposed a unique light railway,
part at ground level, part suspended on the old line. Funded by the,
then, EEC and running from Highgate high level station
I'm not convinced a light railway/tram with all the extra expense of maintaining
specialised rolling stock and its own depot would be cheaper than just laying a
couple of extra miles of track out from highgate depot, but either way the area
needs a rail link as during (normal) rush hours its just gridlock around there.
Post by Bryan Morris
A feasibility study was turned down by those who said it would ruin the
Parkland Walk
There's always a few nimbies.
Bryan Morris
2020-08-31 16:46:41 UTC
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Post by Basil Jet
https://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/heritage/historic-railway-bridge-could-b
e-demoli
shed-1-6733534
Never mind demolishing it - they should reinstate the line to muswell hill.
All
Post by b***@nuttyella.co.uk
the trackbed is still in situ from there back to highgate sidings and putting
track back down and restoring highgate high level station would cost buttons
in
Post by b***@nuttyella.co.uk
comparisons to white elephants such as crossrail. I'm pretty sure a shuttle
service to and from highgate to catch the main northern line would be pretty
popular given the current alternative is the bus to wood green.
It's over 40 years since, as a Haringey Councillor and member of the
Alexander Palace and park committee I proposed a unique light railway,
part at ground level, part suspended on the old line. Funded by the,
then, EEC and running from Highgate high level station
I'm not convinced a light railway/tram with all the extra expense of maintaining
specialised rolling stock and its own depot would be cheaper than just laying a
couple of extra miles of track out from highgate depot, but either way the area
needs a rail link as during (normal) rush hours its just gridlock around there.
As I said, at the time, it would have been fully funded by the EEC. The
stock would have been driverless and could run if required 24/7 . It was
capable to be set up by demand, from one carriage to multi. It could be
run on rails or be suspended.

I arranged for a working model to be displayed to show the
possibilities.

My concern at the time, when Alexandra Palace was being rebuilt, (it had
largely been destroyed in a fire in the 1960s when it was run by the
GLC) was lack of mass public transport there with all the things that
were planned.Plus access to the tube at Highgate from places like
Muswell Hill and Crouch End
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Post by Bryan Morris
A feasibility study was turned down by those who said it would ruin the
Parkland Walk
There's always a few nimbies.
All very well saying "just laying a
couple of extra miles of track out from Highgate depot" like the
proposed widening of Archway Road at the same time, with nimbie
demonstrations at public inquiry after public enquiry there were more
than a few nimbies, and they could be aggressive.
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Marland
2020-08-31 17:50:20 UTC
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On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 23:48:23 +0100
Post by Basil Jet
https://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/heritage/historic-railway-bridge-could-b
e-demoli
shed-1-6733534
Never mind demolishing it - they should reinstate the line to muswell hill.
All
Post by b***@nuttyella.co.uk
the trackbed is still in situ from there back to highgate sidings and putting
track back down and restoring highgate high level station would cost buttons
in
Post by b***@nuttyella.co.uk
comparisons to white elephants such as crossrail. I'm pretty sure a shuttle
service to and from highgate to catch the main northern line would be pretty
popular given the current alternative is the bus to wood green.
It's over 40 years since, as a Haringey Councillor and member of the
Alexander Palace and park committee I proposed a unique light railway,
part at ground level, part suspended on the old line. Funded by the,
then, EEC and running from Highgate high level station
I'm not convinced a light railway/tram with all the extra expense of maintaining
specialised rolling stock and its own depot would be cheaper than just laying a
couple of extra miles of track out from highgate depot, but either way the area
needs a rail link as during (normal) rush hours its just gridlock around there.
As I said, at the time, it would have been fully funded by the EEC. The
stock would have been driverless and could run if required 24/7 . It was
capable to be set up by demand, from one carriage to multi. It could be
run on rails or be suspended.
I arranged for a working model to be displayed to show the
possibilities.
My concern at the time, when Alexandra Palace was being rebuilt, (it had
largely been destroyed in a fire in the 1960s when it was run by the
GLC)
Which fire was that?

I know of the large one in 1980 because the Great British Beer Festival was
held there and despite the fire went ahead in marquees in the grounds .
The photo of the Palace burning at night made a good cover for the
programme which I still have, nowadays there would probably screams of
indignation at such a photo being used in that manner.

The building at the time was no longer owned by the GLC but Haringey the
council you were a member of so trying to blame the GLC is either political
point scoring or just poor memory.

Your idea no doubt made with the best of intentions sounds out of the same
mould as the monorails that by now should have been running for a couple of
decades now around Southampton and Portsmouth. These ideas never seem to
get beyond the artist impression in the local rag *
as when looked at from a practical point of view they become anything but.

The design you mention sounds like an adapted alpine ski lift.

GH
Bryan Morris
2020-08-31 18:36:25 UTC
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Post by Basil Jet
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e-demoli
shed-1-6733534
Never mind demolishing it - they should reinstate the line to muswell hill.
All
Post by b***@nuttyella.co.uk
the trackbed is still in situ from there back to highgate sidings and putting
track back down and restoring highgate high level station would cost buttons
in
Post by b***@nuttyella.co.uk
comparisons to white elephants such as crossrail. I'm pretty sure a shuttle
service to and from highgate to catch the main northern line would be pretty
popular given the current alternative is the bus to wood green.
It's over 40 years since, as a Haringey Councillor and member of the
Alexander Palace and park committee I proposed a unique light railway,
part at ground level, part suspended on the old line. Funded by the,
then, EEC and running from Highgate high level station
I'm not convinced a light railway/tram with all the extra expense of maintaining
specialised rolling stock and its own depot would be cheaper than just laying a
couple of extra miles of track out from highgate depot, but either way the area
needs a rail link as during (normal) rush hours its just gridlock around there.
As I said, at the time, it would have been fully funded by the EEC. The
stock would have been driverless and could run if required 24/7 . It was
capable to be set up by demand, from one carriage to multi. It could be
run on rails or be suspended.
I arranged for a working model to be displayed to show the
possibilities.
My concern at the time, when Alexandra Palace was being rebuilt, (it had
largely been destroyed in a fire in the 1960s when it was run by the
GLC)
Which fire was that?
I know of the large one in 1980 because the Great British Beer Festival was
held there and despite the fire went ahead in marquees in the grounds .
The photo of the Palace burning at night made a good cover for the
programme which I still have, nowadays there would probably screams of
indignation at such a photo being used in that manner.
The building at the time was no longer owned by the GLC but Haringey the
council you were a member of so trying to blame the GLC is either political
point scoring or just poor memory.
Not political point scoring. Was just explaining, to those not aware,
that Haringey took over the trusteeship of Alexandra Palace from the
GLC in 1980 and then later in 1980 following the major fire (yes the
1960's was much smaller) and Haringey made these grandiose rebuilding
plans (and overspent by £30million said by the attorney-general in 1991
to be illegal). It was supposed to be financed by the £8m dowry from
the GLC and £42m insurance claim

My concern at the time was with these plans, (which at the time included
a hotel) that there was no adequate public transport. Hence my post.
Post by Marland
Your idea no doubt made with the best of intentions sounds out of the same
mould as the monorails that by now should have been running for a couple of
decades now around Southampton and Portsmouth. These ideas never seem to
get beyond the artist impression in the local rag *
as when looked at from a practical point of view they become anything but.
The design you mention sounds like an adapted alpine ski lift.
GH
I suppose it was, but a feasibility study was rejected by a majority by
the committee for other reasons.
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Bryan Morris
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2020-09-01 09:29:33 UTC
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There's always a few nimbies.
All very well saying "just laying a
couple of extra miles of track out from Highgate depot" like the
proposed widening of Archway Road at the same time, with nimbie
demonstrations at public inquiry after public enquiry there were more
than a few nimbies, and they could be aggressive.
To be fair , if you go into politics you have to be prepared to deal with
these sorts of people.
Anna Noyd-Dryver
2020-09-01 07:12:51 UTC
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Never mind demolishing it - they should reinstate the line to muswell hill.
All
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the trackbed is still in situ from there back to highgate sidings and putting
track back down and restoring highgate high level station would cost buttons
in
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comparisons to white elephants such as crossrail. I'm pretty sure a shuttle
service to and from highgate to catch the main northern line would be pretty
popular given the current alternative is the bus to wood green.
It's over 40 years since, as a Haringey Councillor and member of the
Alexander Palace and park committee I proposed a unique light railway,
part at ground level, part suspended on the old line. Funded by the,
then, EEC and running from Highgate high level station
I'm not convinced a light railway/tram with all the extra expense of maintaining
specialised rolling stock and its own depot would be cheaper than just laying a
couple of extra miles of track out from highgate depot, but either way the area
needs a rail link as during (normal) rush hours its just gridlock around there.
Are the people in the motor vehicles all going to the same place as the
train would take them?


Anna Noyd-Dryver
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2020-09-01 09:35:18 UTC
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I'm not convinced a light railway/tram with all the extra expense of
maintaining
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specialised rolling stock and its own depot would be cheaper than just
laying a
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couple of extra miles of track out from highgate depot, but either way the
area
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needs a rail link as during (normal) rush hours its just gridlock around
there.
Are the people in the motor vehicles all going to the same place as the
train would take them?
Don't know tbh, but there are a lot of buses that go to tube and railway
stations nearby and given its a london suburb you can bet a lot of people
work in town. Or did before covid.
Robin9
2020-09-01 08:41:47 UTC
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Boltar is right. Muswell Hill will generate far more than
a few hundred passengers a day. Like Roehampton and
Collier Row, it is a substantial suburban areas with no rail
service at all. Residents have to travel first to Highgate,
Crouch Hill or Finsbury Park to catch a train. A local railway
station would be very welcome to denizens of Muswell Hill


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