Discussion:
Terms and conditions for TfL's £1.6 bn bailout package
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Jarle Hammen Knudsen
2020-05-15 15:51:33 UTC
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» service levels increased "as soon as possible"
» reintroduction of fares on buses
» reinstatement of the congestion charge (now including weekends, and
extended to 10pm)
» congestion charge to increase from £11.50 to £15 from 22nd June
» temporary suspension of Freedom Pass/60+ card concessions during
peak hours
» temporary suspension of free travel for under 18s
» fare increase next year on all modes by RPI plus 1%
» promotion of active travel and traffic management
» review of TfL's future financial position and structure
» 2 government representatives to join TfL board, finance committee
and programmes & investment committee

Source:
https://diamondgeezer.blogspot.com/2020/05/tfl-bailout-terms-and-conditions.html
Roland Perry
2020-05-15 16:25:33 UTC
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That's one I hadn't seen earlier.
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Roland Perry
2020-05-15 17:01:59 UTC
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That's one I hadn't seen earlier.
oops:

temporary suspension of free travel for under 18s
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Robin
2020-05-16 11:20:58 UTC
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Post by Jarle Hammen Knudsen
» service levels increased "as soon as possible"
» reintroduction of fares on buses
» reinstatement of the congestion charge (now including weekends, and
extended to 10pm)
» congestion charge to increase from £11.50 to £15 from 22nd June
» temporary suspension of Freedom Pass/60+ card concessions during
peak hours
» temporary suspension of free travel for under 18s
» fare increase next year on all modes by RPI plus 1%
» promotion of active travel and traffic management
» review of TfL's future financial position and structure
» 2 government representatives to join TfL board, finance committee
and programmes & investment committee
https://diamondgeezer.blogspot.com/2020/05/tfl-bailout-terms-and-conditions.html
According to other sources those were /not/ all conditions for the
bailout (despite Khan's initial spin on it). Eg

"The Department for Transport said the government did not force Khan or
TfL to raise the congestion charge as a condition of approving the bailout.

A spokesman for the Mayor of London said that the government and Khan
agreed that the charge should be reviewed, but that it was the mayor’s
decision to increase it."

"The terms of the bailout also made clear that concessions should be
maintained if possible. The transport department said councils had been
“encouraged” to maintain subsidies for concessionary fares to ensure
that older and disabled people can still travel when they need to reach
shops, hospitals and doctors’ surgeries."

<https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/may/15/transport-for-london-faces-3bn-funding-gap-despite-16bn-bailout-income-journeys-coronavirus>
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Robin
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b***@nowhere.co.uk
2020-05-18 08:59:03 UTC
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On Sat, 16 May 2020 12:20:58 +0100
Post by Jarle Hammen Knudsen
» service levels increased "as soon as possible"
» reintroduction of fares on buses
» reinstatement of the congestion charge (now including weekends, and
extended to 10pm)
» congestion charge to increase from £11.50 to £15 from 22nd June
» temporary suspension of Freedom Pass/60+ card concessions during
peak hours
» temporary suspension of free travel for under 18s
» fare increase next year on all modes by RPI plus 1%
» promotion of active travel and traffic management
» review of TfL's future financial position and structure
» 2 government representatives to join TfL board, finance committee
and programmes & investment committee
https://diamondgeezer.blogspot.com/2020/05/tfl-bailout-terms-and-conditions.htm
l
According to other sources those were /not/ all conditions for the
bailout (despite Khan's initial spin on it). Eg
"The Department for Transport said the government did not force Khan or
TfL to raise the congestion charge as a condition of approving the bailout.
A spokesman for the Mayor of London said that the government and Khan
agreed that the charge should be reviewed, but that it was the mayor’s
decision to increase it."
I suspect when the government said reviewed they meant perhaps to suspend it
to allow more people to travel in by car. Naturally the little squirt had to
be difficult and do the exact opposite of what any sane politician would have
done just so he could stick one to a Tory government.

Its a pity the mayoral elections were suspended and we didn't have a chance to
get this preening self righteous fool out of office.
Recliner
2020-05-18 10:21:29 UTC
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Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
On Sat, 16 May 2020 12:20:58 +0100
Post by Jarle Hammen Knudsen
Post by Jarle Hammen Knudsen
» service levels increased "as soon as possible"
» reintroduction of fares on buses
» reinstatement of the congestion charge (now including weekends, and
extended to 10pm)
» congestion charge to increase from £11.50 to £15 from 22nd June
» temporary suspension of Freedom Pass/60+ card concessions during
peak hours
» temporary suspension of free travel for under 18s
» fare increase next year on all modes by RPI plus 1%
» promotion of active travel and traffic management
» review of TfL's future financial position and structure
» 2 government representatives to join TfL board, finance committee
and programmes & investment committee
https://diamondgeezer.blogspot.com/2020/05/tfl-bailout-terms-and-conditions.htm
l
According to other sources those were /not/ all conditions for the
bailout (despite Khan's initial spin on it). Eg
"The Department for Transport said the government did not force Khan or
TfL to raise the congestion charge as a condition of approving the bailout.
A spokesman for the Mayor of London said that the government and Khan
agreed that the charge should be reviewed, but that it was the mayor’s
decision to increase it."
I suspect when the government said reviewed they meant perhaps to suspend it
to allow more people to travel in by car. Naturally the little squirt had to
be difficult and do the exact opposite of what any sane politician would have
done just so he could stick one to a Tory government.
Its a pity the mayoral elections were suspended and we didn't have a chance to
get this preening self righteous fool out of office.
Do you really think Mr Bailey would have unseated Mr Khan? As it is, Khan
probably stands much more chance of losing next May than he would have done
this month, particularly if the Tories see sense and put up a credible
candidate next year.
tim...
2020-05-18 12:55:17 UTC
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Post by Recliner
Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
On Sat, 16 May 2020 12:20:58 +0100
Post by Jarle Hammen Knudsen
Post by Jarle Hammen Knudsen
» service levels increased "as soon as possible"
» reintroduction of fares on buses
» reinstatement of the congestion charge (now including weekends, and
extended to 10pm)
» congestion charge to increase from £11.50 to £15 from 22nd June
» temporary suspension of Freedom Pass/60+ card concessions during
peak hours
» temporary suspension of free travel for under 18s
» fare increase next year on all modes by RPI plus 1%
» promotion of active travel and traffic management
» review of TfL's future financial position and structure
» 2 government representatives to join TfL board, finance committee
and programmes & investment committee
https://diamondgeezer.blogspot.com/2020/05/tfl-bailout-terms-and-conditions.htm
l
According to other sources those were /not/ all conditions for the
bailout (despite Khan's initial spin on it). Eg
"The Department for Transport said the government did not force Khan or
TfL to raise the congestion charge as a condition of approving the bailout.
A spokesman for the Mayor of London said that the government and Khan
agreed that the charge should be reviewed, but that it was the mayor’s
decision to increase it."
I suspect when the government said reviewed they meant perhaps to suspend it
to allow more people to travel in by car. Naturally the little squirt had to
be difficult and do the exact opposite of what any sane politician would have
done just so he could stick one to a Tory government.
Its a pity the mayoral elections were suspended and we didn't have a chance to
get this preening self righteous fool out of office.
Do you really think Mr Bailey would have unseated Mr Khan? As it is, Khan
probably stands much more chance of losing next May than he would have done
this month, particularly if the Tories see sense and put up a credible
candidate next year.
Do they have one?

What you need is a populist (FSVO) ex-minister who sees his ministerial
career over (or others with no ministerial ambitions), who represents a
London (or at a push, just outside) seat

Do they have anybody close to that description?

The best that I can come up with is Tom Tugendhat (Tonbridge and Malling),
but I suspect he may have higher ambitions.
Recliner
2020-05-18 16:21:34 UTC
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Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
On Sat, 16 May 2020 12:20:58 +0100
Post by Jarle Hammen Knudsen
Post by Jarle Hammen Knudsen
» service levels increased "as soon as possible"
» reintroduction of fares on buses
» reinstatement of the congestion charge (now including weekends, and
extended to 10pm)
» congestion charge to increase from £11.50 to £15 from 22nd June
» temporary suspension of Freedom Pass/60+ card concessions during
peak hours
» temporary suspension of free travel for under 18s
» fare increase next year on all modes by RPI plus 1%
» promotion of active travel and traffic management
» review of TfL's future financial position and structure
» 2 government representatives to join TfL board, finance committee
and programmes & investment committee
https://diamondgeezer.blogspot.com/2020/05/tfl-bailout-terms-and-conditions.htm
l
According to other sources those were /not/ all conditions for the
bailout (despite Khan's initial spin on it). Eg
"The Department for Transport said the government did not force Khan or
TfL to raise the congestion charge as a condition of approving the bailout.
A spokesman for the Mayor of London said that the government and Khan
agreed that the charge should be reviewed, but that it was the mayor’s
decision to increase it."
I suspect when the government said reviewed they meant perhaps to suspend it
to allow more people to travel in by car. Naturally the little squirt had to
be difficult and do the exact opposite of what any sane politician would have
done just so he could stick one to a Tory government.
Its a pity the mayoral elections were suspended and we didn't have a chance to
get this preening self righteous fool out of office.
Do you really think Mr Bailey would have unseated Mr Khan? As it is, Khan
probably stands much more chance of losing next May than he would have done
this month, particularly if the Tories see sense and put up a credible
candidate next year.
Do they have one?
What you need is a populist (FSVO) ex-minister who sees his ministerial
career over (or others with no ministerial ambitions), who represents a
London (or at a push, just outside) seat
Do they have anybody close to that description?
The best that I can come up with is Tom Tugendhat (Tonbridge and Malling),
but I suspect he may have higher ambitions.
Boris saw it as a stepping stone upwards, and Khan probably does too. I
wonder if there's any popular/charismatic London Tory council leaders with
national ambitions? It would be good to have a mayor with local authority
experience. I hated Ken's politics, but he was an effective mayor because
his whole background was in local authorities.
b***@nowhere.co.uk
2020-05-18 14:42:50 UTC
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On Mon, 18 May 2020 10:21:29 -0000 (UTC)
Post by Recliner
Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
Post by Robin
"The Department for Transport said the government did not force Khan or
TfL to raise the congestion charge as a condition of approving the bailout.
A spokesman for the Mayor of London said that the government and Khan
agreed that the charge should be reviewed, but that it was the mayor’s
decision to increase it."
I suspect when the government said reviewed they meant perhaps to suspend it
to allow more people to travel in by car. Naturally the little squirt had to
be difficult and do the exact opposite of what any sane politician would have
done just so he could stick one to a Tory government.
Its a pity the mayoral elections were suspended and we didn't have a chance
to
Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
get this preening self righteous fool out of office.
Do you really think Mr Bailey would have unseated Mr Khan? As it is, Khan
Who knows. He's black so may have gone down better south of the river but
OTOH asians don't tend to vote for black candidates so he might have been
out of luck in the east end and west london.
Post by Recliner
probably stands much more chance of losing next May than he would have done
this month, particularly if the Tories see sense and put up a credible
candidate next year.
One can hope.
Graeme Wall
2020-05-18 16:43:16 UTC
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Post by b***@nowhere.co.uk
On Sat, 16 May 2020 12:20:58 +0100
Post by Jarle Hammen Knudsen
Post by Jarle Hammen Knudsen
» service levels increased "as soon as possible"
» reintroduction of fares on buses
» reinstatement of the congestion charge (now including weekends, and
extended to 10pm)
» congestion charge to increase from £11.50 to £15 from 22nd June
» temporary suspension of Freedom Pass/60+ card concessions during
peak hours
» temporary suspension of free travel for under 18s
» fare increase next year on all modes by RPI plus 1%
» promotion of active travel and traffic management
» review of TfL's future financial position and structure
» 2 government representatives to join TfL board, finance committee
and programmes & investment committee
https://diamondgeezer.blogspot.com/2020/05/tfl-bailout-terms-and-conditions.htm
l
According to other sources those were /not/ all conditions for the
bailout (despite Khan's initial spin on it). Eg
"The Department for Transport said the government did not force Khan or
TfL to raise the congestion charge as a condition of approving the bailout.
A spokesman for the Mayor of London said that the government and Khan
agreed that the charge should be reviewed, but that it was the mayor’s
decision to increase it."
I suspect when the government said reviewed they meant perhaps to suspend it
to allow more people to travel in by car. Naturally the little squirt had to
be difficult and do the exact opposite of what any sane politician would have
done just so he could stick one to a Tory government.
Its a pity the mayoral elections were suspended and we didn't have a chance to
get this preening self righteous fool out of office.
Do you really think Mr Bailey would have unseated Mr Khan? As it is, Khan
probably stands much more chance of losing next May than he would have done
this month, particularly if the Tories see sense and put up a credible
candidate next year.
Where are they going to find one of those?
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Graeme Wall
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