Discussion:
Shortest route out of Victoria Underground Station
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Mike Roberts
2021-09-08 09:31:54 UTC
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We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Recliner
2021-09-08 10:22:30 UTC
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Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train. Then take lifts F,
D and finally A or B to the surface, the front of the mainline station.
Then walk to the right, till you get to Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and
turn left. It's then either a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on
the C1/C10/44 bus to the coach station.
Roland Perry
2021-09-08 11:07:45 UTC
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Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train. Then take lifts F,
D and finally A or B to the surface, the front of the mainline station.
Then walk to the right, till you get to Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and
turn left. It's then either a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on
the C1/C10/44 bus to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and up the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.

Or are escalators ruled out?
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Roland Perry
Mike Roberts
2021-09-08 11:58:32 UTC
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Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train. Then take lifts F,
D and finally A or B to the surface, the front of the mainline station.
Then walk to the right, till you get to Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and
turn left. It's then either a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on
the C1/C10/44 bus to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and up the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator but SWMBO
is finding them difficult especially with a case. So I expect the lifts
are the best bet.
Recliner
2021-09-08 15:23:12 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
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Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train. Then take lifts F,
D and finally A or B to the surface, the front of the mainline station.
Then walk to the right, till you get to Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and
turn left. It's then either a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on
the C1/C10/44 bus to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and up the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator but SWMBO
is finding them difficult especially with a case. So I expect the lifts
are the best bet.
Lifts and then the bus are probably best then. If you pick a carriage
adjacent to the platform hump, then it's level boarding.
D A Stocks
2021-09-08 21:22:28 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train. Then take lifts F,
D and finally A or B to the surface, the front of the mainline station.
Then walk to the right, till you get to Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and
turn left. It's then either a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on
the C1/C10/44 bus to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and up the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator but SWMBO is
finding them difficult especially with a case. So I expect the lifts are
the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station concourse, up an
escalator into Victoria Place shopping centre and then emerging onto
Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the easiest and shortest route but it's not
entirely step-free. Alternatively you can head in the direction of platform
19 and use a passage to the right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto
Buckingham Palace Road; this is easier than going round the outside of the
Grosvenor Hotel because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are bus
stops that get in the way.

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DAS
Recliner
2021-09-08 21:41:29 UTC
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Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train. Then take lifts F,
D and finally A or B to the surface, the front of the mainline station.
Then walk to the right, till you get to Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and
turn left. It's then either a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on
the C1/C10/44 bus to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and up the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator but SWMBO is
finding them difficult especially with a case. So I expect the lifts are
the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station concourse, up an
escalator into Victoria Place shopping centre and then emerging onto
Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the easiest and shortest route but it's not
entirely step-free. Alternatively you can head in the direction of platform
19 and use a passage to the right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto
Buckingham Palace Road; this is easier than going round the outside of the
Grosvenor Hotel because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are bus
stops that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min walk with
luggage.
tim...
2021-09-10 06:10:31 UTC
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Post by Recliner
Post by D A Stocks
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train. Then take
lifts
F,
D and finally A or B to the surface, the front of the mainline station.
Then walk to the right, till you get to Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and
turn left. It's then either a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on
the C1/C10/44 bus to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and up the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator but SWMBO is
finding them difficult especially with a case. So I expect the lifts are
the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station concourse, up an
escalator into Victoria Place shopping centre and then emerging onto
Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the easiest and shortest route but it's not
entirely step-free. Alternatively you can head in the direction of platform
19 and use a passage to the right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto
Buckingham Palace Road; this is easier than going round the outside of the
Grosvenor Hotel because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are bus
stops that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?

There are no buses that do that. You have to walk around the next building
to stops JA or G.

A noticeable extra distance, to catch a bus just to travel one stop.
Doesn't seem worth it.

https://content.tfl.gov.uk/bus-route-maps/victoria-a4-090121.pdf
Recliner
2021-09-10 07:02:20 UTC
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Post by Recliner
Post by D A Stocks
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train. Then take
lifts
F,
D and finally A or B to the surface, the front of the mainline station.
Then walk to the right, till you get to Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and
turn left. It's then either a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on
the C1/C10/44 bus to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and up the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator but SWMBO is
finding them difficult especially with a case. So I expect the lifts are
the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station concourse, up an
escalator into Victoria Place shopping centre and then emerging onto
Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the easiest and shortest route but it's not
entirely step-free. Alternatively you can head in the direction of platform
19 and use a passage to the right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto
Buckingham Palace Road; this is easier than going round the outside of the
Grosvenor Hotel because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are bus
stops that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Post by tim...
There are no buses that do that. You have to walk around the next building
to stops JA or G.
A noticeable extra distance, to catch a bus just to travel one stop.
Doesn't seem worth it.
https://content.tfl.gov.uk/bus-route-maps/victoria-a4-090121.pdf
Roland Perry
2021-09-10 08:39:16 UTC
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Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by D A Stocks
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train. Then
lifts F, D and finally A or B to the surface, the front of
the mainline station. Then walk to the right, till you get to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and turn left. It's then either
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on the C1/C10/44 bus >>>>>>>to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and up the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator but
SWMBO is finding them difficult especially with a case. So I
expect the lifts are the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up an escalator into Victoria Place shopping centre and
then emerging onto Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the easiest and
shortest route but it's not entirely step-free. Alternatively you
can head in the direction of platform 19 and use a passage to the
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto Buckingham Palace Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of the Grosvenor Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are bus stops that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"

How often are those buses, if not every five minutes it could still be
quicker to walk.
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
There are no buses that do that. You have to walk around the next building
to stops JA or G.
A noticeable extra distance, to catch a bus just to travel one stop.
Doesn't seem worth it.
https://content.tfl.gov.uk/bus-route-maps/victoria-a4-090121.pdf
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Roland Perry
Recliner
2021-09-10 09:23:38 UTC
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Post by D A Stocks
Post by Mike Roberts
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Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train. Then
lifts F, D and finally A or B to the surface, the front of
the mainline station. Then walk to the right, till you get to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and turn left. It's then either
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on the C1/C10/44 bus
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Recliner
to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and up the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator but
SWMBO is finding them difficult especially with a case. So I
expect the lifts are the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up an escalator into Victoria Place shopping centre and
then emerging onto Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the easiest and
shortest route but it's not entirely step-free. Alternatively you
can head in the direction of platform 19 and use a passage to the
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto Buckingham Palace Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of the Grosvenor Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are bus stops
that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"
That wasn't the original question. You've invented your own version.
Post by Roland Perry
How often are those buses, if not every five minutes it could still be
quicker to walk.
The whole idea is to walk the shortest distance with luggage, as per Mike's
original question which you ignored.
Roland Perry
2021-09-10 09:56:32 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
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Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by D A Stocks
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train. Then
lifts F, D and finally A or B to the surface, the front of
the mainline station. Then walk to the right, till you get to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and turn left. It's then either
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on the C1/C10/44 bus
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Recliner
to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and up the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator but
SWMBO is finding them difficult especially with a case. So I
expect the lifts are the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up an escalator into Victoria Place shopping centre and
then emerging onto Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the easiest and
shortest route but it's not entirely step-free. Alternatively you
can head in the direction of platform 19 and use a passage to the
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto Buckingham Palace Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of the Grosvenor Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are bus stops
that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"
That wasn't the original question. You've invented your own version.
Hey, don't get into a pointless argument! The request was for lifts (aka
step-free) which we later clarified to be "and not even escalators".
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Post by Roland Perry
How often are those buses, if not every five minutes it could still be
quicker to walk.
The whole idea is to walk the shortest distance with luggage, as per Mike's
original question which you ignored.
Indeed, I ignored it completely, not, by posting about the shortest
route being via the food court (and not all the way round the outside of
the building). But then we heard about escalators not being sufficiently
step-free.
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Roland Perry
Recliner
2021-09-10 10:16:40 UTC
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Post by Mike Roberts
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Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train. Then
lifts F, D and finally A or B to the surface, the front of
the mainline station. Then walk to the right, till you get to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and turn left. It's then either
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on the C1/C10/44 bus
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Recliner
to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and up the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator but
SWMBO is finding them difficult especially with a case. So I
expect the lifts are the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up an escalator into Victoria Place shopping centre and
then emerging onto Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the easiest and
shortest route but it's not entirely step-free. Alternatively you
can head in the direction of platform 19 and use a passage to the
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto Buckingham Palace Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of the Grosvenor Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are bus stops
that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"
That wasn't the original question. You've invented your own version.
Hey, don't get into a pointless argument! The request was for lifts (aka
step-free) which we later clarified to be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
How often are those buses, if not every five minutes it could still be
quicker to walk.
The whole idea is to walk the shortest distance with luggage, as per Mike's
original question which you ignored.
Indeed, I ignored it completely, not, by posting about the shortest
route being via the food court (and not all the way round the outside of
the building). But then we heard about escalators not being sufficiently
step-free.
Let's remember the original question: "Can anybody here tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we will
have cases the shortest way using the lifts?"
tim...
2021-09-10 11:02:57 UTC
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Sep
2021,
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Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train. Then
lifts F, D and finally A or B to the surface, the front of
the mainline station. Then walk to the right, till you get to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and turn left. It's then either
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on the C1/C10/44 bus
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Recliner
to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and up the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator but
SWMBO is finding them difficult especially with a case. So I
expect the lifts are the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up an escalator into Victoria Place shopping centre and
then emerging onto Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the easiest and
shortest route but it's not entirely step-free. Alternatively you
can head in the direction of platform 19 and use a passage to the
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto Buckingham Palace Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of the Grosvenor Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are bus
stops
that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"
That wasn't the original question. You've invented your own version.
Hey, don't get into a pointless argument! The request was for lifts (aka
step-free) which we later clarified to be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Surely the *only* step free access out of Victoria (Victoria Line) is to use
the escalators to the main ticket office and then the lift which takes you
to the National rail concourse by the info centre.

From there it's (according to Google maps) 0.3 mile walk across the
concourse, up the escalators and through the shopping centre to stop V, or a
0.1 mile walk to stop JA and a bus one stop to stop V.

Is it really worth all the aggro is schlepping bags onto and off a bus to
save 0.2 mile walk? The walk to stop JA is non trivial with bags., there
are several kerbs to negotiate on this route.

And given that the long escalators inside the station cannot be avoided the
tiny ones up to the shopping centre don't seem to be much of an additional
chore.

Unless there a lift from platform level that I have never found.
Mike Roberts
2021-09-10 11:14:18 UTC
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8 Sep
2021,
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Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can
anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train. Then
lifts  F,  D and finally A or B to the surface, the front of
the mainline  station.  Then walk to the right, till you get to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214)  and  turn left. It's then
either
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop  on  the
C1/C10/44 bus
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Recliner
to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and up the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator but
SWMBO  is  finding them difficult especially with a case. So I
expect the lifts are  the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up  an  escalator into Victoria Place shopping
centre and
then emerging onto  Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the easiest
and
shortest route but it's  not  entirely step-free. Alternatively
you
can head in the direction of  platform  19 and use a passage to
the
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto  Buckingham Palace
Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of  the  Grosvenor
Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are  bus
stops
that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"
That wasn't the original question. You've invented your own version.
Hey, don't get into a pointless argument! The request was for lifts (aka
step-free) which we later clarified to be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Surely the *only* step free access out of Victoria (Victoria Line) is to
use the escalators to the main ticket office and then the lift which
takes you to the National rail concourse by the info centre.
From there it's (according to Google maps) 0.3 mile walk across the
concourse, up the escalators and through the shopping centre to stop V,
or a 0.1 mile walk to stop JA and a bus one stop to stop V.
Is it really worth all the aggro is schlepping bags onto and off a bus
to save 0.2 mile walk?  The walk to stop JA is non trivial with bags.,
there are several kerbs to negotiate on this route.
And given that the long escalators inside the station cannot be avoided
the tiny ones up to the shopping centre don't seem to be much of an
additional chore.
Unless there a lift from platform level that I have never found.
There are lifts at Victoria now and Recliner named the ones needed in
his original post.

I have concluded, that as getting a bus means walking away from the
coach station in the first place and back from stop V that we will use
the lifts and then walk across the concourse to the exit onto Buckingham
Palace Road.

Thanks to all for your input.

Now I just have to negotiate the UK government's ridiculous overpriced
obstacle course for getting back into the country after a cruise with
unlikely access to t'internet! I hope somebody who could do something
about that reads this group.
Recliner
2021-09-10 11:41:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by D A Stocks
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Roland Perry
8 Sep
2021,
Post by Recliner
Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on
Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can
anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we
will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train. Then
lifts  F,  D and finally A or B to the surface, the front of
the mainline  station.  Then walk to the right, till you get to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214)  and  turn left. It's then
either
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop  on  the
C1/C10/44 bus
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Recliner
to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and up the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator but
SWMBO  is  finding them difficult especially with a case. So I
expect the lifts are  the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up  an  escalator into Victoria Place shopping
centre and
then emerging onto  Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the easiest
and
shortest route but it's  not  entirely step-free. Alternatively
you
can head in the direction of  platform  19 and use a passage to
the
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto  Buckingham Palace
Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of  the  Grosvenor
Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are  bus
stops
that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"
That wasn't the original question. You've invented your own version.
Hey, don't get into a pointless argument! The request was for lifts (aka
step-free) which we later clarified to be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Surely the *only* step free access out of Victoria (Victoria Line) is to
use the escalators to the main ticket office and then the lift which
takes you to the National rail concourse by the info centre.
From there it's (according to Google maps) 0.3 mile walk across the
concourse, up the escalators and through the shopping centre to stop V,
or a 0.1 mile walk to stop JA and a bus one stop to stop V.
Is it really worth all the aggro is schlepping bags onto and off a bus
to save 0.2 mile walk?  The walk to stop JA is non trivial with bags.,
there are several kerbs to negotiate on this route.
And given that the long escalators inside the station cannot be avoided
the tiny ones up to the shopping centre don't seem to be much of an
additional chore.
Unless there a lift from platform level that I have never found.
There are lifts at Victoria now and Recliner named the ones needed in
his original post.
I have concluded, that as getting a bus means walking away from the
coach station in the first place and back from stop V that we will use
the lifts and then walk across the concourse to the exit onto Buckingham
Palace Road.
Thanks to all for your input.
Now I just have to negotiate the UK government's ridiculous overpriced
obstacle course for getting back into the country after a cruise with
unlikely access to t'internet! I hope somebody who could do something
about that reads this group.
Is this the dreaded 'Day 2' PCR test? Numerous companies supposedly offer £20 tests, which actually turn out to cost
several times more. Given that infection rates are higher here than in most other countries, it seems like a bizarre,
pointless requirement.

I had been due to go on a cruise in a few days, but have had to cancel it after a fall. I regret losing the cruise, but
not the long queues in the airport to present documents no-one will ever look at.
tim...
2021-09-10 12:40:27 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 12:14:18 +0100, Mike Roberts
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by D A Stocks
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Roland Perry
8 Sep
2021,
Post by Recliner
Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on
Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can
anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we
will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train. Then
lifts F, D and finally A or B to the surface, the front of
the mainline station. Then walk to the right, till you get to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and turn left. It's then either
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on the C1/C10/44 bus
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Recliner
to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and up the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator but
SWMBO is finding them difficult especially with a case. So I
expect the lifts are the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up an escalator into Victoria Place shopping centre and
then emerging onto Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the easiest and
shortest route but it's not entirely step-free. Alternatively you
can head in the direction of platform 19 and use a passage to the
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto Buckingham Palace Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of the Grosvenor Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are bus
stops
that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"
That wasn't the original question. You've invented your own version.
Hey, don't get into a pointless argument! The request was for lifts (aka
step-free) which we later clarified to be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Surely the *only* step free access out of Victoria (Victoria Line) is to
use the escalators to the main ticket office and then the lift which
takes you to the National rail concourse by the info centre.
From there it's (according to Google maps) 0.3 mile walk across the
concourse, up the escalators and through the shopping centre to stop V,
or a 0.1 mile walk to stop JA and a bus one stop to stop V.
Is it really worth all the aggro is schlepping bags onto and off a bus
to save 0.2 mile walk? The walk to stop JA is non trivial with bags.,
there are several kerbs to negotiate on this route.
And given that the long escalators inside the station cannot be avoided
the tiny ones up to the shopping centre don't seem to be much of an
additional chore.
Unless there a lift from platform level that I have never found.
There are lifts at Victoria now and Recliner named the ones needed in
his original post.
I have concluded, that as getting a bus means walking away from the
coach station in the first place and back from stop V that we will use
the lifts and then walk across the concourse to the exit onto Buckingham
Palace Road.
Thanks to all for your input.
Now I just have to negotiate the UK government's ridiculous overpriced
obstacle course for getting back into the country after a cruise with
unlikely access to t'internet! I hope somebody who could do something
about that reads this group.
Is this the dreaded 'Day 2' PCR test?
yup
Numerous companies supposedly offer £20 tests, which actually turn out to
cost
several times more.
60 pounds seem normal

as it's only me, I can live with that

what I can't accept, at that price, is the non-cancellation clause in the
contract.
Given that infection rates are higher here than in most other countries, it
seems like a bizarre,
pointless requirement.
I had been due to go on a cruise in a few days, but have had to cancel it
after a fall. I regret losing the cruise, but
not the long queues in the airport to present documents no-one will ever look at.
well yes

the rules for the 2 day test actually allow you to do the test on day 0, so
as you leave the airport is sufficient

some airports offer walk in centres to provide these tests but, as already
mentioned, you have to book an exact time slot (usually +/- 15 minutes)

how the flip can you do that if you don't know if you are going to be in an
immigration Q for 30 minutes or 5 hours?

It's a nonsense, and not outwith the control of HMG. Who could demand
providers offer flexibility that matches the immigration process.

wouldn't help me as LGW only has a drive through and I shall be leaving on
the train.
Recliner
2021-09-12 09:22:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by tim...
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 12:14:18 +0100, Mike Roberts
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by D A Stocks
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Roland Perry
8 Sep
2021,
Post by Recliner
Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on
Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can
anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we
will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train. Then
lifts F, D and finally A or B to the surface, the front of
the mainline station. Then walk to the right, till you get to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and turn left. It's then
either
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on the
C1/C10/44 bus
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Recliner
to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and up the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the
natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator but
SWMBO is finding them difficult especially with a case. So I
expect the lifts are the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up an escalator into Victoria Place shopping centre and
then emerging onto Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the easiest and
shortest route but it's not entirely step-free. Alternatively you
can head in the direction of platform 19 and use a passage to the
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto Buckingham Palace Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of the Grosvenor Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are bus
stops
that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min
walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"
That wasn't the original question. You've invented your own version.
Hey, don't get into a pointless argument! The request was for lifts (aka
step-free) which we later clarified to be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Surely the *only* step free access out of Victoria (Victoria Line) is to
use the escalators to the main ticket office and then the lift which
takes you to the National rail concourse by the info centre.
From there it's (according to Google maps) 0.3 mile walk across the
concourse, up the escalators and through the shopping centre to stop V,
or a 0.1 mile walk to stop JA and a bus one stop to stop V.
Is it really worth all the aggro is schlepping bags onto and off a bus
to save 0.2 mile walk? The walk to stop JA is non trivial with bags.,
there are several kerbs to negotiate on this route.
And given that the long escalators inside the station cannot be avoided
the tiny ones up to the shopping centre don't seem to be much of an
additional chore.
Unless there a lift from platform level that I have never found.
There are lifts at Victoria now and Recliner named the ones needed in
his original post.
I have concluded, that as getting a bus means walking away from the
coach station in the first place and back from stop V that we will use
the lifts and then walk across the concourse to the exit onto Buckingham
Palace Road.
Thanks to all for your input.
Now I just have to negotiate the UK government's ridiculous overpriced
obstacle course for getting back into the country after a cruise with
unlikely access to t'internet! I hope somebody who could do something
about that reads this group.
Is this the dreaded 'Day 2' PCR test?
yup
Numerous companies supposedly offer £20 tests, which actually turn out to
cost
several times more.
60 pounds seem normal
as it's only me, I can live with that
what I can't accept, at that price, is the non-cancellation clause in the
contract.
Given that infection rates are higher here than in most other countries, it
seems like a bizarre,
pointless requirement.
I had been due to go on a cruise in a few days, but have had to cancel it
after a fall. I regret losing the cruise, but
not the long queues in the airport to present documents no-one will ever look at.
well yes
the rules for the 2 day test actually allow you to do the test on day 0, so
as you leave the airport is sufficient
some airports offer walk in centres to provide these tests but, as already
mentioned, you have to book an exact time slot (usually +/- 15 minutes)
how the flip can you do that if you don't know if you are going to be in an
immigration Q for 30 minutes or 5 hours?
It's a nonsense, and not outwith the control of HMG. Who could demand
providers offer flexibility that matches the immigration process.
wouldn't help me as LGW only has a drive through and I shall be leaving on
the train.
Double-jabbed travellers need no longer take expensive PCR tests when
returning to Britain under plans expected to be announced, the Mail on
Sunday reported. They will be replaced by lateral flow tests instead, set
to happen before the half-term holidays.

Covid vaccine passports scrapped for winter by Boris Johnson

<https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ccc2072c-1346-11ec-a8a6-db0b408d06d6?shareToken=9edfbd3b42dfdb7aa30d97c20ae34da8>
tim...
2021-09-14 09:39:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 12:14:18 +0100, Mike Roberts
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by D A Stocks
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Roland Perry
8 Sep
2021,
Post by Recliner
Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on
Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can
anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we
will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train. Then
lifts F, D and finally A or B to the surface, the front of
the mainline station. Then walk to the right, till you
get
to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and turn left. It's then
either
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on the
C1/C10/44 bus
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Recliner
to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and
up
the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the
natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator but
SWMBO is finding them difficult especially with a case. So I
expect the lifts are the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up an escalator into Victoria Place shopping
centre and
then emerging onto Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the
easiest
and
shortest route but it's not entirely step-free.
Alternatively
you
can head in the direction of platform 19 and use a passage
to
the
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto Buckingham Palace Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of the Grosvenor
Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are bus
stops
that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min
walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops
outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"
That wasn't the original question. You've invented your own version.
Hey, don't get into a pointless argument! The request was for lifts (aka
step-free) which we later clarified to be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Surely the *only* step free access out of Victoria (Victoria Line) is to
use the escalators to the main ticket office and then the lift which
takes you to the National rail concourse by the info centre.
From there it's (according to Google maps) 0.3 mile walk across the
concourse, up the escalators and through the shopping centre to stop V,
or a 0.1 mile walk to stop JA and a bus one stop to stop V.
Is it really worth all the aggro is schlepping bags onto and off a bus
to save 0.2 mile walk? The walk to stop JA is non trivial with bags.,
there are several kerbs to negotiate on this route.
And given that the long escalators inside the station cannot be avoided
the tiny ones up to the shopping centre don't seem to be much of an
additional chore.
Unless there a lift from platform level that I have never found.
There are lifts at Victoria now and Recliner named the ones needed in
his original post.
I have concluded, that as getting a bus means walking away from the
coach station in the first place and back from stop V that we will use
the lifts and then walk across the concourse to the exit onto Buckingham
Palace Road.
Thanks to all for your input.
Now I just have to negotiate the UK government's ridiculous overpriced
obstacle course for getting back into the country after a cruise with
unlikely access to t'internet! I hope somebody who could do something
about that reads this group.
Is this the dreaded 'Day 2' PCR test?
yup
Numerous companies supposedly offer £20 tests, which actually turn out to
cost
several times more.
60 pounds seem normal
as it's only me, I can live with that
what I can't accept, at that price, is the non-cancellation clause in the
contract.
Given that infection rates are higher here than in most other countries, it
seems like a bizarre,
pointless requirement.
I had been due to go on a cruise in a few days, but have had to cancel it
after a fall. I regret losing the cruise, but
not the long queues in the airport to present documents no-one will ever look at.
well yes
the rules for the 2 day test actually allow you to do the test on day 0, so
as you leave the airport is sufficient
some airports offer walk in centres to provide these tests but, as already
mentioned, you have to book an exact time slot (usually +/- 15 minutes)
how the flip can you do that if you don't know if you are going to be in an
immigration Q for 30 minutes or 5 hours?
It's a nonsense, and not outwith the control of HMG. Who could demand
providers offer flexibility that matches the immigration process.
wouldn't help me as LGW only has a drive through and I shall be leaving on
the train.
Double-jabbed travellers need no longer take expensive PCR tests when
returning to Britain under plans expected to be announced,
That's been doing the rounds for several days already (even allowing for my
2 day delay in replying)
Post by Recliner
the Mail on
Sunday reported. They will be replaced by lateral flow tests instead, set
to happen before the half-term holidays.
no use for anyone going on holiday this week!
Recliner
2021-09-14 10:00:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 12:14:18 +0100, Mike Roberts
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by D A Stocks
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Roland Perry
8 Sep
2021,
Post by Recliner
Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on
Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can
anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we
will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train.
Then
lifts F, D and finally A or B to the surface, the front
of
the mainline station. Then walk to the right, till you
get
to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and turn left. It's then
either
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on the
C1/C10/44 bus
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Recliner
to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and
up
the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the
natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator
but
SWMBO is finding them difficult especially with a case. So I
expect the lifts are the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up an escalator into Victoria Place shopping
centre and
then emerging onto Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the
easiest
and
shortest route but it's not entirely step-free.
Alternatively
you
can head in the direction of platform 19 and use a passage
to
the
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto Buckingham Palace
Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of the Grosvenor
Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are bus
stops
that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min
walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops
outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"
That wasn't the original question. You've invented your own version.
Hey, don't get into a pointless argument! The request was for lifts (aka
step-free) which we later clarified to be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Surely the *only* step free access out of Victoria (Victoria Line) is to
use the escalators to the main ticket office and then the lift which
takes you to the National rail concourse by the info centre.
From there it's (according to Google maps) 0.3 mile walk across the
concourse, up the escalators and through the shopping centre to stop V,
or a 0.1 mile walk to stop JA and a bus one stop to stop V.
Is it really worth all the aggro is schlepping bags onto and off a bus
to save 0.2 mile walk? The walk to stop JA is non trivial with bags.,
there are several kerbs to negotiate on this route.
And given that the long escalators inside the station cannot be avoided
the tiny ones up to the shopping centre don't seem to be much of an
additional chore.
Unless there a lift from platform level that I have never found.
There are lifts at Victoria now and Recliner named the ones needed in
his original post.
I have concluded, that as getting a bus means walking away from the
coach station in the first place and back from stop V that we will use
the lifts and then walk across the concourse to the exit onto Buckingham
Palace Road.
Thanks to all for your input.
Now I just have to negotiate the UK government's ridiculous overpriced
obstacle course for getting back into the country after a cruise with
unlikely access to t'internet! I hope somebody who could do something
about that reads this group.
Is this the dreaded 'Day 2' PCR test?
yup
Numerous companies supposedly offer £20 tests, which actually turn out to
cost
several times more.
60 pounds seem normal
as it's only me, I can live with that
what I can't accept, at that price, is the non-cancellation clause in the
contract.
Given that infection rates are higher here than in most other countries, it
seems like a bizarre,
pointless requirement.
I had been due to go on a cruise in a few days, but have had to cancel it
after a fall. I regret losing the cruise, but
not the long queues in the airport to present documents no-one will ever look at.
well yes
the rules for the 2 day test actually allow you to do the test on day 0, so
as you leave the airport is sufficient
some airports offer walk in centres to provide these tests but, as already
mentioned, you have to book an exact time slot (usually +/- 15 minutes)
how the flip can you do that if you don't know if you are going to be in an
immigration Q for 30 minutes or 5 hours?
It's a nonsense, and not outwith the control of HMG. Who could demand
providers offer flexibility that matches the immigration process.
wouldn't help me as LGW only has a drive through and I shall be leaving on
the train.
Double-jabbed travellers need no longer take expensive PCR tests when
returning to Britain under plans expected to be announced,
That's been doing the rounds for several days already (even allowing for my
2 day delay in replying)
And it seems that the proposal isn't simply to abolish the 2-day test, but
to replace it with an LFT. This would be cheaper, but would still have to
be professionally done, privately. That seems really stupid.
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
the Mail on
Sunday reported. They will be replaced by lateral flow tests instead, set
to happen before the half-term holidays.
no use for anyone going on holiday this week!
Indeed not. These leaks and uncertainty will be particularly annoying for
such people.
tim...
2021-09-14 10:14:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 12:14:18 +0100, Mike Roberts
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by tim...
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 10:56:32 +0100, Roland Perry
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by D A Stocks
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Roland Perry
Wed,
8 Sep
2021,
Post by Recliner
Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on
Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can
anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as
we
will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train.
Then
lifts F, D and finally A or B to the surface, the front
of
the mainline station. Then walk to the right, till you
get
to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and turn left. It's then
either
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on the
C1/C10/44 bus
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Recliner
to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and
up
the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the
natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator
but
SWMBO is finding them difficult especially with a case.
So
I
expect the lifts are the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up an escalator into Victoria Place shopping
centre and
then emerging onto Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the
easiest
and
shortest route but it's not entirely step-free.
Alternatively
you
can head in the direction of platform 19 and use a passage
to
the
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto Buckingham Palace
Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of the
Grosvenor
Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are
bus
stops
that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min
walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops
outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"
That wasn't the original question. You've invented your own version.
Hey, don't get into a pointless argument! The request was for
lifts
(aka
step-free) which we later clarified to be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Surely the *only* step free access out of Victoria (Victoria Line)
is
to
use the escalators to the main ticket office and then the lift which
takes you to the National rail concourse by the info centre.
From there it's (according to Google maps) 0.3 mile walk across the
concourse, up the escalators and through the shopping centre to stop V,
or a 0.1 mile walk to stop JA and a bus one stop to stop V.
Is it really worth all the aggro is schlepping bags onto and off a bus
to save 0.2 mile walk? The walk to stop JA is non trivial with bags.,
there are several kerbs to negotiate on this route.
And given that the long escalators inside the station cannot be avoided
the tiny ones up to the shopping centre don't seem to be much of an
additional chore.
Unless there a lift from platform level that I have never found.
There are lifts at Victoria now and Recliner named the ones needed in
his original post.
I have concluded, that as getting a bus means walking away from the
coach station in the first place and back from stop V that we will use
the lifts and then walk across the concourse to the exit onto Buckingham
Palace Road.
Thanks to all for your input.
Now I just have to negotiate the UK government's ridiculous overpriced
obstacle course for getting back into the country after a cruise with
unlikely access to t'internet! I hope somebody who could do something
about that reads this group.
Is this the dreaded 'Day 2' PCR test?
yup
Numerous companies supposedly offer £20 tests, which actually turn out to
cost
several times more.
60 pounds seem normal
as it's only me, I can live with that
what I can't accept, at that price, is the non-cancellation clause in the
contract.
Given that infection rates are higher here than in most other
countries,
it
seems like a bizarre,
pointless requirement.
I had been due to go on a cruise in a few days, but have had to cancel it
after a fall. I regret losing the cruise, but
not the long queues in the airport to present documents no-one will
ever
look at.
well yes
the rules for the 2 day test actually allow you to do the test on day
0,
so
as you leave the airport is sufficient
some airports offer walk in centres to provide these tests but, as already
mentioned, you have to book an exact time slot (usually +/- 15 minutes)
how the flip can you do that if you don't know if you are going to be
in
an
immigration Q for 30 minutes or 5 hours?
It's a nonsense, and not outwith the control of HMG. Who could demand
providers offer flexibility that matches the immigration process.
wouldn't help me as LGW only has a drive through and I shall be leaving on
the train.
Double-jabbed travellers need no longer take expensive PCR tests when
returning to Britain under plans expected to be announced,
That's been doing the rounds for several days already (even allowing for my
2 day delay in replying)
And it seems that the proposal isn't simply to abolish the 2-day test, but
to replace it with an LFT. This would be cheaper, but would still have to
be professionally done, privately. That seems really stupid.
agreed

For me, the cost is a minor inconvenience

the hassle is somewhat more than that
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
the Mail on
Sunday reported. They will be replaced by lateral flow tests instead, set
to happen before the half-term holidays.
no use for anyone going on holiday this week!
Indeed not. These leaks and uncertainty will be particularly annoying for
such people.
I shall be really annoyed if they announce, before I go on holiday (Thursday
is the predicted day for an announcement, I travel Friday) changes that only
kick in after I have returned.
Recliner
2021-09-14 10:25:27 UTC
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Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 12:14:18 +0100, Mike Roberts
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by tim...
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 10:56:32 +0100, Roland Perry
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by D A Stocks
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Roland Perry
Wed,
8 Sep
2021,
Post by Recliner
Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on
Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can
anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as
we
will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train.
Then
lifts F, D and finally A or B to the surface, the front
of
the mainline station. Then walk to the right, till you
get
to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and turn left. It's then
either
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on the
C1/C10/44 bus
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Recliner
to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and
up
the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the
natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the
escalator
but
SWMBO is finding them difficult especially with a case.
So
I
expect the lifts are the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up an escalator into Victoria Place shopping
centre and
then emerging onto Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the
easiest
and
shortest route but it's not entirely step-free.
Alternatively
you
can head in the direction of platform 19 and use a passage
to
the
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto Buckingham Palace
Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of the
Grosvenor
Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are
bus
stops
that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min
walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops
outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"
That wasn't the original question. You've invented your own version.
Hey, don't get into a pointless argument! The request was for
lifts
(aka
step-free) which we later clarified to be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Surely the *only* step free access out of Victoria (Victoria Line)
is
to
use the escalators to the main ticket office and then the lift which
takes you to the National rail concourse by the info centre.
From there it's (according to Google maps) 0.3 mile walk across the
concourse, up the escalators and through the shopping centre to stop V,
or a 0.1 mile walk to stop JA and a bus one stop to stop V.
Is it really worth all the aggro is schlepping bags onto and off a bus
to save 0.2 mile walk? The walk to stop JA is non trivial with bags.,
there are several kerbs to negotiate on this route.
And given that the long escalators inside the station cannot be avoided
the tiny ones up to the shopping centre don't seem to be much of an
additional chore.
Unless there a lift from platform level that I have never found.
There are lifts at Victoria now and Recliner named the ones needed in
his original post.
I have concluded, that as getting a bus means walking away from the
coach station in the first place and back from stop V that we will use
the lifts and then walk across the concourse to the exit onto Buckingham
Palace Road.
Thanks to all for your input.
Now I just have to negotiate the UK government's ridiculous overpriced
obstacle course for getting back into the country after a cruise with
unlikely access to t'internet! I hope somebody who could do something
about that reads this group.
Is this the dreaded 'Day 2' PCR test?
yup
Numerous companies supposedly offer £20 tests, which actually turn out to
cost
several times more.
60 pounds seem normal
as it's only me, I can live with that
what I can't accept, at that price, is the non-cancellation clause in the
contract.
Given that infection rates are higher here than in most other
countries,
it
seems like a bizarre,
pointless requirement.
I had been due to go on a cruise in a few days, but have had to cancel it
after a fall. I regret losing the cruise, but
not the long queues in the airport to present documents no-one will
ever
look at.
well yes
the rules for the 2 day test actually allow you to do the test on day
0,
so
as you leave the airport is sufficient
some airports offer walk in centres to provide these tests but, as already
mentioned, you have to book an exact time slot (usually +/- 15 minutes)
how the flip can you do that if you don't know if you are going to be
in
an
immigration Q for 30 minutes or 5 hours?
It's a nonsense, and not outwith the control of HMG. Who could demand
providers offer flexibility that matches the immigration process.
wouldn't help me as LGW only has a drive through and I shall be leaving on
the train.
Double-jabbed travellers need no longer take expensive PCR tests when
returning to Britain under plans expected to be announced,
That's been doing the rounds for several days already (even allowing for my
2 day delay in replying)
And it seems that the proposal isn't simply to abolish the 2-day test, but
to replace it with an LFT. This would be cheaper, but would still have to
be professionally done, privately. That seems really stupid.
agreed
For me, the cost is a minor inconvenience
the hassle is somewhat more than that
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
the Mail on
Sunday reported. They will be replaced by lateral flow tests instead, set
to happen before the half-term holidays.
no use for anyone going on holiday this week!
Indeed not. These leaks and uncertainty will be particularly annoying for
such people.
The government is giving unconvincing answers to why this test is needed at
all. Supposedly it's to give an early warning about new variants arriving
here, but apparently hardly any of the 2-day PCR tests are sequenced.

A better suggestion that they are apparently rejecting is to give one in
every five or 10 arrivals an NHS PCR test, with no cost or penalty to those
sampled. The results would simply be used to check the infection rate of
arriving pax, and sequence a high proportion of the positive results to
detect new variants.
Post by tim...
I shall be really annoyed if they announce, before I go on holiday (Thursday
is the predicted day for an announcement, I travel Friday) changes that only
kick in after I have returned.
Yes, fully justified. I was also due to travel this Friday, but had to
cancel the trip after falling and injuring my shoulder.
Roland Perry
2021-09-14 10:38:56 UTC
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Post by Recliner
Post by Recliner
And it seems that the proposal isn't simply to abolish the 2-day test, but
to replace it with an LFT. This would be cheaper, but would still have to
be professionally done, privately. That seems really stupid.
...
Post by Recliner
The government is giving unconvincing answers to why this test is needed at
all. Supposedly it's to give an early warning about new variants arriving
here, but apparently hardly any of the 2-day PCR tests are sequenced.
You only need to sequence a few, to detect a new variant amongst the
sample population.

In theory, having even one detected means you can go back and do
track-and-trace of fellow travellers to get a better idea of how many
there could be in total.
--
Roland Perry
Recliner
2021-09-14 12:09:16 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by Recliner
And it seems that the proposal isn't simply to abolish the 2-day test, but
to replace it with an LFT. This would be cheaper, but would still have to
be professionally done, privately. That seems really stupid.
...
Post by Recliner
The government is giving unconvincing answers to why this test is needed at
all. Supposedly it's to give an early warning about new variants arriving
here, but apparently hardly any of the 2-day PCR tests are sequenced.
You only need to sequence a few, to detect a new variant amongst the
sample population.
This is a test of arrivals in the UK, and the aim is to get early warning of new variants turning up. It's possible that
we could spot new variants that haven't yet been detected in their region of origin. As such, we should aim to sequence
all positive samples. The question is what proportion of arrivals should take the NHS PCR test — is 10% enough? Or is
there some other, easier test that could be used? In any case, travellers will simply do the test and continue on their
journey, with no need to await results.

The aim is not to catch individual infections, but to get an early warning. We should have been doing this when the
Delta variant was first pouring in from India, before all over 50s were vaccinated.
Post by Roland Perry
In theory, having even one detected means you can go back and do
track-and-trace of fellow travellers to get a better idea of how many
there could be in total.
You'd already know that from the random testing of arrivals. This would be compared with the ONS estimates of infection
rates in the resident population (currently 1.38% in England, 1.54% in Wales, 1.74% in NI, and 2.23% in Scotland). Most
green, and maybe even amber list countries, probable have lower rates than these.
Roland Perry
2021-09-14 10:35:37 UTC
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Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Double-jabbed travellers need no longer take expensive PCR tests when
returning to Britain under plans expected to be announced,
That's been doing the rounds for several days already (even allowing for my
2 day delay in replying)
And it seems that the proposal isn't simply to abolish the 2-day test, but
to replace it with an LFT. This would be cheaper, but would still have to
be professionally done, privately. That seems really stupid.
More stupid than letting people self-administer, sabotage the result,
and therefore not be at risk of having to self-isolate?
--
Roland Perry
H***@the_stables.com
2021-09-14 10:50:45 UTC
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 11:35:37 +0100
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Double-jabbed travellers need no longer take expensive PCR tests when
returning to Britain under plans expected to be announced,
That's been doing the rounds for several days already (even allowing for my
2 day delay in replying)
And it seems that the proposal isn't simply to abolish the 2-day test, but
to replace it with an LFT. This would be cheaper, but would still have to
be professionally done, privately. That seems really stupid.
More stupid than letting people self-administer, sabotage the result,
and therefore not be at risk of having to self-isolate?
You'd have to be a truly knuckle draggingly stupid to do a proper test if
a positive could have meant you had to isolate at home for 10 days and
potentially not work. But then the average IQ in this country is only 100
which is pretty dim meaning half the population is even dumber than that.
Recliner
2021-09-14 11:15:37 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Double-jabbed travellers need no longer take expensive PCR tests when
returning to Britain under plans expected to be announced,
That's been doing the rounds for several days already (even allowing for my
2 day delay in replying)
And it seems that the proposal isn't simply to abolish the 2-day test, but
to replace it with an LFT. This would be cheaper, but would still have to
be professionally done, privately. That seems really stupid.
More stupid than letting people self-administer, sabotage the result,
and therefore not be at risk of having to self-isolate?
No, I didn't suggest a DIY test. We don't have to test after visiting high infection areas like parts of Wales or
Scotland, so why test people returning from lower infection areas like the countries on the green list?

The whole point of vaccinating almost the whole adult population was to greatly reduce our vulnerability to infection.
Covid is now approaching endemic status in the UK, so we should expect to meet it regularly.
Roland Perry
2021-09-14 15:33:18 UTC
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Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Double-jabbed travellers need no longer take expensive PCR tests when
returning to Britain under plans expected to be announced,
That's been doing the rounds for several days already (even allowing for my
2 day delay in replying)
And it seems that the proposal isn't simply to abolish the 2-day test, but
to replace it with an LFT. This would be cheaper, but would still have to
be professionally done, privately. That seems really stupid.
More stupid than letting people self-administer, sabotage the result,
and therefore not be at risk of having to self-isolate?
No, I didn't suggest a DIY test.
So the opposite of LFT done professionally, is what?
--
Roland Perry
Recliner
2021-09-14 15:56:13 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Double-jabbed travellers need no longer take expensive PCR tests when
returning to Britain under plans expected to be announced,
That's been doing the rounds for several days already (even allowing for my
2 day delay in replying)
And it seems that the proposal isn't simply to abolish the 2-day test, but
to replace it with an LFT. This would be cheaper, but would still have to
be professionally done, privately. That seems really stupid.
More stupid than letting people self-administer, sabotage the result,
and therefore not be at risk of having to self-isolate?
No, I didn't suggest a DIY test.
So the opposite of LFT done professionally, is what?
No mandated test, any more than there is on return from the Scottish Virus
Central.
tim...
2021-09-10 11:47:08 UTC
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Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by D A Stocks
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Roland Perry
Sep
2021,
Post by Recliner
Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on
Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can
anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we
will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train. Then
lifts F, D and finally A or B to the surface, the front of
the mainline station. Then walk to the right, till you get to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and turn left. It's then either
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on the C1/C10/44 bus
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Recliner
to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and up the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator but
SWMBO is finding them difficult especially with a case. So I
expect the lifts are the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up an escalator into Victoria Place shopping centre and
then emerging onto Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the easiest and
shortest route but it's not entirely step-free. Alternatively you
can head in the direction of platform 19 and use a passage to the
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto Buckingham Palace Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of the Grosvenor Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are bus
stops
that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"
That wasn't the original question. You've invented your own version.
Hey, don't get into a pointless argument! The request was for lifts (aka
step-free) which we later clarified to be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Surely the *only* step free access out of Victoria (Victoria Line) is to
use the escalators to the main ticket office and then the lift which
takes you to the National rail concourse by the info centre.
From there it's (according to Google maps) 0.3 mile walk across the
concourse, up the escalators and through the shopping centre to stop V,
or a 0.1 mile walk to stop JA and a bus one stop to stop V.
Is it really worth all the aggro is schlepping bags onto and off a bus to
save 0.2 mile walk? The walk to stop JA is non trivial with bags., there
are several kerbs to negotiate on this route.
And given that the long escalators inside the station cannot be avoided
the tiny ones up to the shopping centre don't seem to be much of an
additional chore.
Unless there a lift from platform level that I have never found.
There are lifts at Victoria now and Recliner named the ones needed in his
original post.
Oh OK.

TBH I've never really needed them from the Victoria Line as I have no
problem with escalators.

But I do prefer to avoid the steps on the Circle line. Is there a lift
there now?

It's much the same at Earl's Court where there's a ridiculous shuffle for
step free from the District to the Picc.
I have concluded, that as getting a bus means walking away from the coach
station in the first place and back from stop V that we will use the lifts
and then walk across the concourse to the exit onto Buckingham Palace
Road.
Thanks to all for your input.
Now I just have to negotiate the UK government's ridiculous overpriced
obstacle course for getting back into the country after a cruise with
unlikely access to t'internet! I hope somebody who could do something
about that reads this group.
Oh metoo, and I'm not even on a cruise.

The "Test for Entry" isn't a problem as the tour operator are arranging this
(at extra cost)

But I'm still struggling to find a satisfactory option of the "Day 2" Test.

I really want to organise this before I leave, but given that there's a
non-negligible risk of catching something whilst you are away and having to
delay your return, I need one which makes it easy for you to change the date
of the test. (TBH I'm surprised everyone isn't looking for this level of
flexibility for the same reason)

But I have yet to find one that does (They mostly say, if you don't make the
booked day you lose your money!, some say they'll give you a voucher for
future use)

And then there's all the rumours going around ATM that they might change the
system at the end of the month. But I return on the 2nd, so I will have to
fill in my return locator form, by 30th Sept!, so I will miss announcement
of changes on that date

And FWIW, despite HMG saying at least a week ago that they were going to
clear up the list at https://www.gov.uk/find-travel-test-provider

I clicked on the first 6 and not one of them was offering the test at the
stated price
Recliner
2021-09-10 12:15:33 UTC
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Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by D A Stocks
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Roland Perry
Sep
2021,
Post by Recliner
Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on
Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can
anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we
will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train. Then
lifts F, D and finally A or B to the surface, the front of
the mainline station. Then walk to the right, till you get to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and turn left. It's then either
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on the C1/C10/44 bus
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Recliner
to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and up the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator but
SWMBO is finding them difficult especially with a case. So I
expect the lifts are the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up an escalator into Victoria Place shopping centre and
then emerging onto Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the easiest and
shortest route but it's not entirely step-free. Alternatively you
can head in the direction of platform 19 and use a passage to the
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto Buckingham Palace Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of the Grosvenor Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are bus
stops
that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"
That wasn't the original question. You've invented your own version.
Hey, don't get into a pointless argument! The request was for lifts (aka
step-free) which we later clarified to be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Surely the *only* step free access out of Victoria (Victoria Line) is to
use the escalators to the main ticket office and then the lift which
takes you to the National rail concourse by the info centre.
From there it's (according to Google maps) 0.3 mile walk across the
concourse, up the escalators and through the shopping centre to stop V,
or a 0.1 mile walk to stop JA and a bus one stop to stop V.
Is it really worth all the aggro is schlepping bags onto and off a bus to
save 0.2 mile walk? The walk to stop JA is non trivial with bags., there
are several kerbs to negotiate on this route.
And given that the long escalators inside the station cannot be avoided
the tiny ones up to the shopping centre don't seem to be much of an
additional chore.
Unless there a lift from platform level that I have never found.
There are lifts at Victoria now and Recliner named the ones needed in his
original post.
Oh OK.
TBH I've never really needed them from the Victoria Line as I have no
problem with escalators.
But I do prefer to avoid the steps on the Circle line. Is there a lift
there now?
Yes. All platforms are accessible via lifts from both entrances.
tim...
2021-09-10 12:41:08 UTC
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Post by tim...
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by D A Stocks
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Roland Perry
Sep
2021,
Post by Recliner
Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on
Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can
anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we
will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train. Then
lifts F, D and finally A or B to the surface, the front of
the mainline station. Then walk to the right, till you get to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and turn left. It's then
either
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on the
C1/C10/44
bus
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Recliner
to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and up the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the
natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator but
SWMBO is finding them difficult especially with a case. So I
expect the lifts are the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up an escalator into Victoria Place shopping
centre
and
then emerging onto Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the easiest and
shortest route but it's not entirely step-free. Alternatively you
can head in the direction of platform 19 and use a passage to the
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto Buckingham Palace Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of the Grosvenor Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are bus
stops
that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min
walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"
That wasn't the original question. You've invented your own version.
Hey, don't get into a pointless argument! The request was for lifts (aka
step-free) which we later clarified to be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Surely the *only* step free access out of Victoria (Victoria Line) is to
use the escalators to the main ticket office and then the lift which
takes you to the National rail concourse by the info centre.
From there it's (according to Google maps) 0.3 mile walk across the
concourse, up the escalators and through the shopping centre to stop V,
or a 0.1 mile walk to stop JA and a bus one stop to stop V.
Is it really worth all the aggro is schlepping bags onto and off a bus to
save 0.2 mile walk? The walk to stop JA is non trivial with bags., there
are several kerbs to negotiate on this route.
And given that the long escalators inside the station cannot be avoided
the tiny ones up to the shopping centre don't seem to be much of an
additional chore.
Unless there a lift from platform level that I have never found.
There are lifts at Victoria now and Recliner named the ones needed in his
original post.
Oh OK.
TBH I've never really needed them from the Victoria Line as I have no
problem with escalators.
But I do prefer to avoid the steps on the Circle line. Is there a lift
there now?
Yes. All platforms are accessible via lifts from both entrances.
I really must take a visit and look around. :-)
Recliner
2021-09-10 14:01:14 UTC
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Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
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Post by Recliner
Post by D A Stocks
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Roland Perry
Sep
2021,
Post by Recliner
Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on
Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can
anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we
will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train. Then
lifts F, D and finally A or B to the surface, the front of
the mainline station. Then walk to the right, till you get
to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and turn left. It's then
either
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on the
C1/C10/44
bus
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Recliner
to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and up
the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the
natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator but
SWMBO is finding them difficult especially with a case. So I
expect the lifts are the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up an escalator into Victoria Place shopping
centre
and
then emerging onto Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the easiest and
shortest route but it's not entirely step-free. Alternatively you
can head in the direction of platform 19 and use a passage to the
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto Buckingham Palace Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of the Grosvenor
Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are bus
stops
that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min
walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops
outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"
That wasn't the original question. You've invented your own version.
Hey, don't get into a pointless argument! The request was for lifts (aka
step-free) which we later clarified to be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Surely the *only* step free access out of Victoria (Victoria Line) is to
use the escalators to the main ticket office and then the lift which
takes you to the National rail concourse by the info centre.
From there it's (according to Google maps) 0.3 mile walk across the
concourse, up the escalators and through the shopping centre to stop V,
or a 0.1 mile walk to stop JA and a bus one stop to stop V.
Is it really worth all the aggro is schlepping bags onto and off a bus to
save 0.2 mile walk? The walk to stop JA is non trivial with bags., there
are several kerbs to negotiate on this route.
And given that the long escalators inside the station cannot be avoided
the tiny ones up to the shopping centre don't seem to be much of an
additional chore.
Unless there a lift from platform level that I have never found.
There are lifts at Victoria now and Recliner named the ones needed in his
original post.
Oh OK.
TBH I've never really needed them from the Victoria Line as I have no
problem with escalators.
But I do prefer to avoid the steps on the Circle line. Is there a lift
there now?
Yes. All platforms are accessible via lifts from both entrances.
I really must take a visit and look around. :-)
Geoff explored it all a couple of years ago:


See 4:31 for the lift route map.
tim...
2021-09-11 07:15:41 UTC
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Post by tim...
Post by tim...
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 10:56:32 +0100, Roland Perry
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by D A Stocks
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Roland Perry
8
Sep
2021,
Post by Recliner
Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on
Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can
anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we
will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train.
Then
lifts F, D and finally A or B to the surface, the front
of
the mainline station. Then walk to the right, till you
get
to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and turn left. It's then
either
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on the
C1/C10/44
bus
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Recliner
to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and up
the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the
natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator
but
SWMBO is finding them difficult especially with a case. So I
expect the lifts are the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up an escalator into Victoria Place shopping
centre
and
then emerging onto Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the
easiest
and
shortest route but it's not entirely step-free.
Alternatively
you
can head in the direction of platform 19 and use a passage
to
the
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto Buckingham Palace
Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of the
Grosvenor
Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are bus
stops
that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min
walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops
outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"
That wasn't the original question. You've invented your own version.
Hey, don't get into a pointless argument! The request was for lifts (aka
step-free) which we later clarified to be "and not even
escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Surely the *only* step free access out of Victoria (Victoria Line) is to
use the escalators to the main ticket office and then the lift which
takes you to the National rail concourse by the info centre.
From there it's (according to Google maps) 0.3 mile walk across the
concourse, up the escalators and through the shopping centre to stop V,
or a 0.1 mile walk to stop JA and a bus one stop to stop V.
Is it really worth all the aggro is schlepping bags onto and off a bus
to
save 0.2 mile walk? The walk to stop JA is non trivial with bags., there
are several kerbs to negotiate on this route.
And given that the long escalators inside the station cannot be avoided
the tiny ones up to the shopping centre don't seem to be much of an
additional chore.
Unless there a lift from platform level that I have never found.
There are lifts at Victoria now and Recliner named the ones needed in his
original post.
Oh OK.
TBH I've never really needed them from the Victoria Line as I have no
problem with escalators.
But I do prefer to avoid the steps on the Circle line. Is there a lift
there now?
Yes. All platforms are accessible via lifts from both entrances.
I really must take a visit and look around. :-)
Geoff explored it all a couple of years ago: http://youtu.be/67wVoqWiyiU
See 4:31 for the lift route map.
so 4 lifts to reach the platforms for Circle line Eastbound

that's even worse than the nonsense at Earls court
Recliner
2021-09-11 08:14:27 UTC
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Post by tim...
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 10:56:32 +0100, Roland Perry
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by D A Stocks
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Roland Perry
Wed,
8
Sep
2021,
Post by Recliner
Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on
Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can
anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we
will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train.
Then
lifts F, D and finally A or B to the surface, the front
of
the mainline station. Then walk to the right, till you
get
to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and turn left. It's then
either
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on the
C1/C10/44
bus
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Recliner
to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and
up
the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the
natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator
but
SWMBO is finding them difficult especially with a case. So
I
expect the lifts are the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up an escalator into Victoria Place shopping
centre
and
then emerging onto Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the
easiest
and
shortest route but it's not entirely step-free.
Alternatively
you
can head in the direction of platform 19 and use a passage
to
the
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto Buckingham Palace
Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of the
Grosvenor
Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are bus
stops
that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min
walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops
outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"
That wasn't the original question. You've invented your own version.
Hey, don't get into a pointless argument! The request was for lifts (aka
step-free) which we later clarified to be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Surely the *only* step free access out of Victoria (Victoria Line) is to
use the escalators to the main ticket office and then the lift which
takes you to the National rail concourse by the info centre.
From there it's (according to Google maps) 0.3 mile walk across the
concourse, up the escalators and through the shopping centre to stop V,
or a 0.1 mile walk to stop JA and a bus one stop to stop V.
Is it really worth all the aggro is schlepping bags onto and off a bus
to
save 0.2 mile walk? The walk to stop JA is non trivial with bags., there
are several kerbs to negotiate on this route.
And given that the long escalators inside the station cannot be avoided
the tiny ones up to the shopping centre don't seem to be much of an
additional chore.
Unless there a lift from platform level that I have never found.
There are lifts at Victoria now and Recliner named the ones needed in his
original post.
Oh OK.
TBH I've never really needed them from the Victoria Line as I have no
problem with escalators.
But I do prefer to avoid the steps on the Circle line. Is there a lift
there now?
Yes. All platforms are accessible via lifts from both entrances.
I really must take a visit and look around. :-)
Geoff explored it all a couple of years ago: http://youtu.be/67wVoqWiyiU
See 4:31 for the lift route map.
so 4 lifts to reach the platforms for Circle line Eastbound
No, three: A/B, D and F.
Recliner
2021-09-10 12:25:47 UTC
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Post by tim...
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Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by D A Stocks
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Roland Perry
8 Sep
2021,
Post by Recliner
Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on
Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can
anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we
will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train. Then
lifts  F,  D and finally A or B to the surface, the front of
the mainline  station.  Then walk to the right, till you get to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214)  and  turn left. It's then
either
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop  on  the
C1/C10/44 bus
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Recliner
to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and up the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator but
SWMBO  is  finding them difficult especially with a case. So I
expect the lifts are  the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up  an  escalator into Victoria Place shopping
centre and
then emerging onto  Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the easiest
and
shortest route but it's  not  entirely step-free. Alternatively
you
can head in the direction of  platform  19 and use a passage to
the
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto  Buckingham Palace
Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of  the  Grosvenor
Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are  bus
stops
that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"
That wasn't the original question. You've invented your own version.
Hey, don't get into a pointless argument! The request was for lifts (aka
step-free) which we later clarified to be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Surely the *only* step free access out of Victoria (Victoria Line) is to
use the escalators to the main ticket office and then the lift which
takes you to the National rail concourse by the info centre.
From there it's (according to Google maps) 0.3 mile walk across the
concourse, up the escalators and through the shopping centre to stop V,
or a 0.1 mile walk to stop JA and a bus one stop to stop V.
Is it really worth all the aggro is schlepping bags onto and off a bus
to save 0.2 mile walk?  The walk to stop JA is non trivial with bags.,
there are several kerbs to negotiate on this route.
And given that the long escalators inside the station cannot be avoided
the tiny ones up to the shopping centre don't seem to be much of an
additional chore.
Unless there a lift from platform level that I have never found.
There are lifts at Victoria now and Recliner named the ones needed in
his original post.
I have concluded, that as getting a bus means walking away from the
coach station in the first place and back from stop V that we will use
the lifts and then walk across the concourse to the exit onto Buckingham
Palace Road.
I'm quite surprised they don't have an electric shuttle bus between the coach station and the bus station in front of
the railway station.
tim...
2021-09-10 12:43:51 UTC
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Post by Mike Roberts
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by D A Stocks
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Roland Perry
8 Sep
2021,
Post by Recliner
Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on
Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can
anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we
will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train. Then
lifts F, D and finally A or B to the surface, the front of
the mainline station. Then walk to the right, till you get to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and turn left. It's then either
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on the C1/C10/44 bus
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Recliner
to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and up the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator but
SWMBO is finding them difficult especially with a case. So I
expect the lifts are the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up an escalator into Victoria Place shopping centre and
then emerging onto Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the easiest and
shortest route but it's not entirely step-free. Alternatively you
can head in the direction of platform 19 and use a passage to the
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto Buckingham Palace Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of the Grosvenor Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are bus
stops
that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"
That wasn't the original question. You've invented your own version.
Hey, don't get into a pointless argument! The request was for lifts (aka
step-free) which we later clarified to be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Surely the *only* step free access out of Victoria (Victoria Line) is to
use the escalators to the main ticket office and then the lift which
takes you to the National rail concourse by the info centre.
From there it's (according to Google maps) 0.3 mile walk across the
concourse, up the escalators and through the shopping centre to stop V,
or a 0.1 mile walk to stop JA and a bus one stop to stop V.
Is it really worth all the aggro is schlepping bags onto and off a bus
to save 0.2 mile walk? The walk to stop JA is non trivial with bags.,
there are several kerbs to negotiate on this route.
And given that the long escalators inside the station cannot be avoided
the tiny ones up to the shopping centre don't seem to be much of an
additional chore.
Unless there a lift from platform level that I have never found.
There are lifts at Victoria now and Recliner named the ones needed in
his original post.
I have concluded, that as getting a bus means walking away from the
coach station in the first place and back from stop V that we will use
the lifts and then walk across the concourse to the exit onto Buckingham
Palace Road.
I'm quite surprised they don't have an electric shuttle bus between the
coach station and the bus station in front of
the railway station.
all within your fare "from 2.90"?

(though I couldn't find one that low)
Recliner
2021-09-11 11:21:02 UTC
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 12:14:18 +0100, Mike Roberts
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by D A Stocks
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Roland Perry
8 Sep
2021,
Post by Recliner
Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on
Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can
anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we
will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train. Then
lifts F, D and finally A or B to the surface, the front of
the mainline station. Then walk to the right, till you get to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and turn left. It's then
either
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on the
C1/C10/44 bus
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Recliner
to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and up the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the
natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator but
SWMBO is finding them difficult especially with a case. So I
expect the lifts are the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up an escalator into Victoria Place shopping centre and
then emerging onto Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the easiest and
shortest route but it's not entirely step-free. Alternatively you
can head in the direction of platform 19 and use a passage to the
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto Buckingham Palace Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of the Grosvenor Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are bus
stops
that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min
walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"
That wasn't the original question. You've invented your own version.
Hey, don't get into a pointless argument! The request was for lifts (aka
step-free) which we later clarified to be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Surely the *only* step free access out of Victoria (Victoria Line) is to
use the escalators to the main ticket office and then the lift which
takes you to the National rail concourse by the info centre.
From there it's (according to Google maps) 0.3 mile walk across the
concourse, up the escalators and through the shopping centre to stop V,
or a 0.1 mile walk to stop JA and a bus one stop to stop V.
Is it really worth all the aggro is schlepping bags onto and off a bus
to save 0.2 mile walk? The walk to stop JA is non trivial with bags.,
there are several kerbs to negotiate on this route.
And given that the long escalators inside the station cannot be avoided
the tiny ones up to the shopping centre don't seem to be much of an
additional chore.
Unless there a lift from platform level that I have never found.
There are lifts at Victoria now and Recliner named the ones needed in
his original post.
I have concluded, that as getting a bus means walking away from the
coach station in the first place and back from stop V that we will use
the lifts and then walk across the concourse to the exit onto Buckingham
Palace Road.
I'm quite surprised they don't have an electric shuttle bus between the
coach station and the bus station in front of
the railway station.
all within your fare "from 2.90"?
(though I couldn't find one that low)
I was thinking of a £1 fare, not included in any pass.
tim...
2021-09-11 12:35:54 UTC
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Post by tim...
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 12:14:18 +0100, Mike Roberts
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by D A Stocks
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Roland Perry
8 Sep
2021,
Post by Recliner
Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on
Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can
anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we
will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train. Then
lifts F, D and finally A or B to the surface, the front of
the mainline station. Then walk to the right, till you
get
to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and turn left. It's then
either
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on the
C1/C10/44 bus
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Recliner
to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and
up
the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the
natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator but
SWMBO is finding them difficult especially with a case. So I
expect the lifts are the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up an escalator into Victoria Place shopping
centre and
then emerging onto Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the
easiest
and
shortest route but it's not entirely step-free.
Alternatively
you
can head in the direction of platform 19 and use a passage
to
the
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto Buckingham Palace Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of the Grosvenor
Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are bus
stops
that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min
walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops
outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"
That wasn't the original question. You've invented your own version.
Hey, don't get into a pointless argument! The request was for lifts (aka
step-free) which we later clarified to be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Surely the *only* step free access out of Victoria (Victoria Line) is to
use the escalators to the main ticket office and then the lift which
takes you to the National rail concourse by the info centre.
From there it's (according to Google maps) 0.3 mile walk across the
concourse, up the escalators and through the shopping centre to stop V,
or a 0.1 mile walk to stop JA and a bus one stop to stop V.
Is it really worth all the aggro is schlepping bags onto and off a bus
to save 0.2 mile walk? The walk to stop JA is non trivial with bags.,
there are several kerbs to negotiate on this route.
And given that the long escalators inside the station cannot be avoided
the tiny ones up to the shopping centre don't seem to be much of an
additional chore.
Unless there a lift from platform level that I have never found.
There are lifts at Victoria now and Recliner named the ones needed in
his original post.
I have concluded, that as getting a bus means walking away from the
coach station in the first place and back from stop V that we will use
the lifts and then walk across the concourse to the exit onto Buckingham
Palace Road.
I'm quite surprised they don't have an electric shuttle bus between the
coach station and the bus station in front of
the railway station.
all within your fare "from 2.90"?
(though I couldn't find one that low)
I was thinking of a £1 fare, not included in any pass.
you think there's enough people prepared to: find the right stop, wait 10-15
minutes for the bus and pay a pound

to avoid a 300 metre walk?
Recliner
2021-09-11 13:05:13 UTC
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Post by Mike Roberts
Post by tim...
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Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by D A Stocks
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Roland Perry
8 Sep
2021,
Post by Recliner
Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on
Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can
anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we
will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train.
Then
lifts F, D and finally A or B to the surface, the front
of
the mainline station. Then walk to the right, till you
get
to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and turn left. It's then
either
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on the
C1/C10/44 bus
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Recliner
to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and
up
the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the
natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator
but
SWMBO is finding them difficult especially with a case. So I
expect the lifts are the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up an escalator into Victoria Place shopping
centre and
then emerging onto Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the
easiest
and
shortest route but it's not entirely step-free.
Alternatively
you
can head in the direction of platform 19 and use a passage
to
the
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto Buckingham Palace
Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of the Grosvenor
Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are bus
stops
that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min
walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops
outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"
That wasn't the original question. You've invented your own version.
Hey, don't get into a pointless argument! The request was for lifts (aka
step-free) which we later clarified to be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Surely the *only* step free access out of Victoria (Victoria Line) is to
use the escalators to the main ticket office and then the lift which
takes you to the National rail concourse by the info centre.
From there it's (according to Google maps) 0.3 mile walk across the
concourse, up the escalators and through the shopping centre to stop V,
or a 0.1 mile walk to stop JA and a bus one stop to stop V.
Is it really worth all the aggro is schlepping bags onto and off a bus
to save 0.2 mile walk? The walk to stop JA is non trivial with bags.,
there are several kerbs to negotiate on this route.
And given that the long escalators inside the station cannot be avoided
the tiny ones up to the shopping centre don't seem to be much of an
additional chore.
Unless there a lift from platform level that I have never found.
There are lifts at Victoria now and Recliner named the ones needed in
his original post.
I have concluded, that as getting a bus means walking away from the
coach station in the first place and back from stop V that we will use
the lifts and then walk across the concourse to the exit onto Buckingham
Palace Road.
I'm quite surprised they don't have an electric shuttle bus between the
coach station and the bus station in front of
the railway station.
all within your fare "from 2.90"?
(though I couldn't find one that low)
I was thinking of a £1 fare, not included in any pass.
you think there's enough people prepared to: find the right stop, wait 10-15
minutes for the bus and pay a pound
to avoid a 300 metre walk?
Only people with heavy bags.
tim...
2021-09-11 13:34:43 UTC
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Post by tim...
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Post by Mike Roberts
Post by tim...
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 10:56:32 +0100, Roland Perry
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by D A Stocks
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Roland Perry
Wed,
8 Sep
2021,
Post by Recliner
Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on
Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can
anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as
we
will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train.
Then
lifts F, D and finally A or B to the surface, the front
of
the mainline station. Then walk to the right, till you
get
to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and turn left. It's then
either
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on the
C1/C10/44 bus
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Recliner
to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and
up
the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the
natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator
but
SWMBO is finding them difficult especially with a case.
So
I
expect the lifts are the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up an escalator into Victoria Place shopping
centre and
then emerging onto Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the
easiest
and
shortest route but it's not entirely step-free.
Alternatively
you
can head in the direction of platform 19 and use a passage
to
the
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto Buckingham Palace
Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of the
Grosvenor
Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are
bus
stops
that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min
walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops
outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"
That wasn't the original question. You've invented your own version.
Hey, don't get into a pointless argument! The request was for
lifts
(aka
step-free) which we later clarified to be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Surely the *only* step free access out of Victoria (Victoria Line)
is
to
use the escalators to the main ticket office and then the lift which
takes you to the National rail concourse by the info centre.
From there it's (according to Google maps) 0.3 mile walk across the
concourse, up the escalators and through the shopping centre to stop V,
or a 0.1 mile walk to stop JA and a bus one stop to stop V.
Is it really worth all the aggro is schlepping bags onto and off a bus
to save 0.2 mile walk? The walk to stop JA is non trivial with bags.,
there are several kerbs to negotiate on this route.
And given that the long escalators inside the station cannot be avoided
the tiny ones up to the shopping centre don't seem to be much of an
additional chore.
Unless there a lift from platform level that I have never found.
There are lifts at Victoria now and Recliner named the ones needed in
his original post.
I have concluded, that as getting a bus means walking away from the
coach station in the first place and back from stop V that we will use
the lifts and then walk across the concourse to the exit onto Buckingham
Palace Road.
I'm quite surprised they don't have an electric shuttle bus between the
coach station and the bus station in front of
the railway station.
all within your fare "from 2.90"?
(though I couldn't find one that low)
I was thinking of a £1 fare, not included in any pass.
you think there's enough people prepared to: find the right stop, wait 10-15
minutes for the bus and pay a pound
to avoid a 300 metre walk?
Only people with heavy bags.
who have arrived at Victoria mainline station

who are travailing onwards on a bargain basement coach service

Just how many of theses people are there who might use this service?

(I get that the OP is meeting a coach to take him to a cruise. So that
means he is probably not the demographic that usually makes use of this mode
of transport)
Graeme Wall
2021-09-11 14:35:28 UTC
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 12:14:18 +0100, Mike Roberts
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by tim...
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 10:56:32 +0100, Roland Perry
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by D A Stocks
Post by Mike Roberts
on Wed,
8 Sep
2021,
Post by Recliner
Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on
Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can
anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And
as we
will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train.
Then
lifts  F,  D and finally A or B to the surface, the
front
of
the mainline  station.  Then walk to the right, till you
get
to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214)  and  turn left. It's
then
either
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop  on  the
C1/C10/44 bus
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Recliner
to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse
and
up
the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means
the
natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the
escalator
but
SWMBO  is  finding them difficult especially with a
case. So
I
expect the lifts are  the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up  an  escalator into Victoria Place shopping
centre and
then emerging onto  Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the
easiest
and
shortest route but it's  not  entirely step-free.
Alternatively
you
can head in the direction of  platform  19 and use a
passage
to
the
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto  Buckingham
Palace
Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of  the
Grosvenor
Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are
bus
stops
that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min
walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops
outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"
That wasn't the original question. You've invented your own version.
Hey, don't get into a pointless argument! The request was for
lifts
(aka
step-free) which we later clarified to be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Surely the *only* step free access out of Victoria (Victoria
Line) is
to
use the escalators to the main ticket office and then the lift which
takes you to the National rail concourse by the info centre.
 From there it's (according to Google maps) 0.3 mile walk across
the
concourse, up the escalators and through the shopping centre to
stop
V,
or a 0.1 mile walk to stop JA and a bus one stop to stop V.
Is it really worth all the aggro is schlepping bags onto and off a bus
to save 0.2 mile walk?  The walk to stop JA is non trivial with bags.,
there are several kerbs to negotiate on this route.
And given that the long escalators inside the station cannot be avoided
the tiny ones up to the shopping centre don't seem to be much of an
additional chore.
Unless there a lift from platform level that I have never found.
There are lifts at Victoria now and Recliner named the ones needed in
his original post.
I have concluded, that as getting a bus means walking away from the
coach station in the first place and back from stop V that we will use
the lifts and then walk across the concourse to the exit onto Buckingham
Palace Road.
I'm quite surprised they don't have an electric shuttle bus between the
coach station and the bus station in front of
the railway station.
all within your fare "from 2.90"?
(though I couldn't find one that low)
I was thinking of a £1 fare, not included in any pass.
you think there's enough people prepared to: find the right stop, wait 10-15
minutes for the bus and pay a pound
to avoid a 300 metre walk?
Only people with heavy bags.
who have arrived at Victoria mainline station
who are travailing onwards on a bargain basement coach service
Just how many of theses people are there who might use this service?
(I get that the OP is meeting a coach to take him to a cruise.  So that
means he is probably not the demographic that usually makes use of this
mode of transport)
IIRC he's arriving by UndergrounD, I imagine quite a few people get to
the coach station that way. I certainly did in my youth.
--
Graeme Wall
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Recliner
2021-09-11 15:34:52 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
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Post by Roland Perry
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Post by Recliner
Post by D A Stocks
Post by Mike Roberts
on Wed,
8 Sep
2021,
Post by Recliner
Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on
Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can
anybody here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And
as we
will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train.
Then
lifts  F,  D and finally A or B to the surface, the
front
of
the mainline  station.  Then walk to the right, till you
get
to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214)  and  turn left. It's
then
either
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop  on  the
C1/C10/44 bus
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Recliner
to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse
and
up
the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means
the
natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the
escalator
but
SWMBO  is  finding them difficult especially with a
case. So
I
expect the lifts are  the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up  an  escalator into Victoria Place shopping
centre and
then emerging onto  Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the
easiest
and
shortest route but it's  not  entirely step-free.
Alternatively
you
can head in the direction of  platform  19 and use a
passage
to
the
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto  Buckingham
Palace
Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of  the
Grosvenor
Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are
bus
stops
that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a
15-20 min
walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops
outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"
That wasn't the original question. You've invented your own version.
Hey, don't get into a pointless argument! The request was for
lifts
(aka
step-free) which we later clarified to be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Surely the *only* step free access out of Victoria (Victoria
Line) is
to
use the escalators to the main ticket office and then the lift which
takes you to the National rail concourse by the info centre.
 From there it's (according to Google maps) 0.3 mile walk across
the
concourse, up the escalators and through the shopping centre to
stop
V,
or a 0.1 mile walk to stop JA and a bus one stop to stop V.
Is it really worth all the aggro is schlepping bags onto and off a bus
to save 0.2 mile walk?  The walk to stop JA is non trivial with bags.,
there are several kerbs to negotiate on this route.
And given that the long escalators inside the station cannot be avoided
the tiny ones up to the shopping centre don't seem to be much of an
additional chore.
Unless there a lift from platform level that I have never found.
There are lifts at Victoria now and Recliner named the ones needed in
his original post.
I have concluded, that as getting a bus means walking away from the
coach station in the first place and back from stop V that we will use
the lifts and then walk across the concourse to the exit onto Buckingham
Palace Road.
I'm quite surprised they don't have an electric shuttle bus between the
coach station and the bus station in front of
the railway station.
all within your fare "from 2.90"?
(though I couldn't find one that low)
I was thinking of a £1 fare, not included in any pass.
you think there's enough people prepared to: find the right stop, wait 10-15
minutes for the bus and pay a pound
to avoid a 300 metre walk?
Only people with heavy bags.
who have arrived at Victoria mainline station
who are travailing onwards on a bargain basement coach service
Just how many of theses people are there who might use this service?
(I get that the OP is meeting a coach to take him to a cruise.  So that
means he is probably not the demographic that usually makes use of this
mode of transport)
IIRC he's arriving by UndergrounD, I imagine quite a few people get to
the coach station that way. I certainly did in my youth.
Yes, arriving by Victoria line, I'm guessing after returning to the UK via
Stansted.
Recliner
2021-09-11 19:01:20 UTC
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Post by Graeme Wall
IIRC he's arriving by UndergrounD, I imagine quite a few people get to
the coach station that way. I certainly did in my youth.
Yes, arriving by Victoria line, I'm guessing after returning to the UK via
Stansted.
The reference to returning to the country was *after* the cruise.
Yes, it was that return journey that was being discussed. I think it was
today.
Roland Perry
2021-09-12 09:33:09 UTC
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Post by Recliner
Post by Graeme Wall
IIRC he's arriving by UndergrounD, I imagine quite a few people get to
the coach station that way. I certainly did in my youth.
Yes, arriving by Victoria line, I'm guessing after returning to the UK via
Stansted.
The reference to returning to the country was *after* the cruise.
Yes, it was that return journey that was being discussed. I think it was
today.
I didn't get that meaning from his postings.

Especially as:

"Now I just have to negotiate the UK government's ridiculous
overpriced obstacle course for getting back into the country
after a cruise with unlikely access to t'internet! "

Would have needed to be posted from said offline cruise boat, and the
day before arriving home is a bit late to be asking that question.
--
Roland Perry
Recliner
2021-09-12 09:51:17 UTC
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Post by Graeme Wall
IIRC he's arriving by UndergrounD, I imagine quite a few people get to
the coach station that way. I certainly did in my youth.
Yes, arriving by Victoria line, I'm guessing after returning to the UK via
Stansted.
The reference to returning to the country was *after* the cruise.
Yes, it was that return journey that was being discussed. I think it was
today.
I didn't get that meaning from his postings.
"Now I just have to negotiate the UK government's ridiculous
overpriced obstacle course for getting back into the country
after a cruise with unlikely access to t'internet! "
Would have needed to be posted from said offline cruise boat, and the
day before arriving home is a bit late to be asking that question.
Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean zero access. It more likely to be
slow/intermittent access.

The problem wouldn't arise if the cruise had yet to start.
Roland Perry
2021-09-12 11:11:13 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
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Post by Recliner
Post by Graeme Wall
IIRC he's arriving by UndergrounD, I imagine quite a few people get to
the coach station that way. I certainly did in my youth.
Yes, arriving by Victoria line, I'm guessing after returning to the UK via
Stansted.
The reference to returning to the country was *after* the cruise.
Yes, it was that return journey that was being discussed. I think it was
today.
I didn't get that meaning from his postings.
"Now I just have to negotiate the UK government's ridiculous
overpriced obstacle course for getting back into the country
after a cruise with unlikely access to t'internet! "
Would have needed to be posted from said offline cruise boat, and the
day before arriving home is a bit late to be asking that question.
Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean zero access. It more likely to be
slow/intermittent access.
The problem wouldn't arise if the cruise had yet to start.
Clearly, it could arise the day before the cruise, if the measures
required (eg private testing having been booked) were going to be
difficult to negotiate whilst on the cruise.
--
Roland Perry
Recliner
2021-09-12 11:46:53 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
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Post by Recliner
Post by Graeme Wall
IIRC he's arriving by UndergrounD, I imagine quite a few people get to
the coach station that way. I certainly did in my youth.
Yes, arriving by Victoria line, I'm guessing after returning to the UK via
Stansted.
The reference to returning to the country was *after* the cruise.
Yes, it was that return journey that was being discussed. I think it was
today.
I didn't get that meaning from his postings.
"Now I just have to negotiate the UK government's ridiculous
overpriced obstacle course for getting back into the country
after a cruise with unlikely access to t'internet! "
Would have needed to be posted from said offline cruise boat, and the
day before arriving home is a bit late to be asking that question.
Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean zero access. It more likely to be
slow/intermittent access.
The problem wouldn't arise if the cruise had yet to start.
Clearly, it could arise the day before the cruise, if the measures
required (eg private testing having been booked) were going to be
difficult to negotiate whilst on the cruise.
If he'd thought about it even one day before the cruise, he'd have made the
on-line Day 2 PCR bookings then. It's not hard to do on-line (what's
difficult is finding a provider which honours its advertised price).

Of course, he might have held back, hoping they'd get cheaper (which has
happened) or that the requirement would be abolished (which probably will
happen, but hasn't yet).

There also needs to be a test abroad, but the cruise line probably
organises that.
Roland Perry
2021-09-13 16:07:31 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
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Post by Roland Perry
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Post by Recliner
Post by Graeme Wall
IIRC he's arriving by UndergrounD, I imagine quite a few people get to
the coach station that way. I certainly did in my youth.
Yes, arriving by Victoria line, I'm guessing after returning to the UK via
Stansted.
The reference to returning to the country was *after* the cruise.
Yes, it was that return journey that was being discussed. I think it was
today.
I didn't get that meaning from his postings.
"Now I just have to negotiate the UK government's ridiculous
overpriced obstacle course for getting back into the country
after a cruise with unlikely access to t'internet! "
Would have needed to be posted from said offline cruise boat, and the
day before arriving home is a bit late to be asking that question.
Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean zero access. It more likely to be
slow/intermittent access.
The problem wouldn't arise if the cruise had yet to start.
Clearly, it could arise the day before the cruise, if the measures
required (eg private testing having been booked) were going to be
difficult to negotiate whilst on the cruise.
If he'd thought about it even one day before the cruise, he'd have made the
on-line Day 2 PCR bookings then. It's not hard to do on-line (what's
difficult is finding a provider which honours its advertised price).
Of course, he might have held back, hoping they'd get cheaper (which has
happened) or that the requirement would be abolished (which probably will
happen, but hasn't yet).
There also needs to be a test abroad, but the cruise line probably
organises that.
None of which explains why his query here indicates he's just got back
from a cruise, rather than just setting out.
--
Roland Perry
Recliner
2021-09-13 16:25:45 UTC
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Post by Graeme Wall
IIRC he's arriving by UndergrounD, I imagine quite a few people get to
the coach station that way. I certainly did in my youth.
Yes, arriving by Victoria line, I'm guessing after returning to the UK via
Stansted.
The reference to returning to the country was *after* the cruise.
Yes, it was that return journey that was being discussed. I think it was
today.
I didn't get that meaning from his postings.
"Now I just have to negotiate the UK government's ridiculous
overpriced obstacle course for getting back into the country
after a cruise with unlikely access to t'internet! "
Would have needed to be posted from said offline cruise boat, and the
day before arriving home is a bit late to be asking that question.
Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean zero access. It more likely to be
slow/intermittent access.
The problem wouldn't arise if the cruise had yet to start.
Clearly, it could arise the day before the cruise, if the measures
required (eg private testing having been booked) were going to be
difficult to negotiate whilst on the cruise.
If he'd thought about it even one day before the cruise, he'd have made the
on-line Day 2 PCR bookings then. It's not hard to do on-line (what's
difficult is finding a provider which honours its advertised price).
Of course, he might have held back, hoping they'd get cheaper (which has
happened) or that the requirement would be abolished (which probably will
happen, but hasn't yet).
There also needs to be a test abroad, but the cruise line probably
organises that.
None of which explains why his query here indicates he's just got back
from a cruise, rather than just setting out.
His query suggested he was on a cruise, and returning shortly.
Roland Perry
2021-09-14 08:49:18 UTC
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IIRC he's arriving by UndergrounD, I imagine quite a few people get to
the coach station that way. I certainly did in my youth.
Yes, arriving by Victoria line, I'm guessing after returning to the UK via
Stansted.
The reference to returning to the country was *after* the cruise.
Yes, it was that return journey that was being discussed. I think it was
today.
I didn't get that meaning from his postings.
"Now I just have to negotiate the UK government's ridiculous
overpriced obstacle course for getting back into the country
after a cruise with unlikely access to t'internet! "
Would have needed to be posted from said offline cruise boat, and the
day before arriving home is a bit late to be asking that question.
Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean zero access. It more likely to be
slow/intermittent access.
The problem wouldn't arise if the cruise had yet to start.
Clearly, it could arise the day before the cruise, if the measures
required (eg private testing having been booked) were going to be
difficult to negotiate whilst on the cruise.
If he'd thought about it even one day before the cruise, he'd have made the
on-line Day 2 PCR bookings then. It's not hard to do on-line (what's
difficult is finding a provider which honours its advertised price).
Of course, he might have held back, hoping they'd get cheaper (which has
happened) or that the requirement would be abolished (which probably will
happen, but hasn't yet).
There also needs to be a test abroad, but the cruise line probably
organises that.
None of which explains why his query here indicates he's just got back
from a cruise, rather than just setting out.
His query suggested he was on a cruise, and returning shortly.
Only to you. And the leg he was asking about (whichever kind it might
be) was last Saturday.
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Recliner
2021-09-14 09:24:52 UTC
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IIRC he's arriving by UndergrounD, I imagine quite a few people get to
the coach station that way. I certainly did in my youth.
Yes, arriving by Victoria line, I'm guessing after returning to
the UK via
Stansted.
The reference to returning to the country was *after* the cruise.
Yes, it was that return journey that was being discussed. I think it was
today.
I didn't get that meaning from his postings.
"Now I just have to negotiate the UK government's ridiculous
overpriced obstacle course for getting back into the country
after a cruise with unlikely access to t'internet! "
Would have needed to be posted from said offline cruise boat, and the
day before arriving home is a bit late to be asking that question.
Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean zero access. It more likely to be
slow/intermittent access.
The problem wouldn't arise if the cruise had yet to start.
Clearly, it could arise the day before the cruise, if the measures
required (eg private testing having been booked) were going to be
difficult to negotiate whilst on the cruise.
If he'd thought about it even one day before the cruise, he'd have made the
on-line Day 2 PCR bookings then. It's not hard to do on-line (what's
difficult is finding a provider which honours its advertised price).
Of course, he might have held back, hoping they'd get cheaper (which has
happened) or that the requirement would be abolished (which probably will
happen, but hasn't yet).
There also needs to be a test abroad, but the cruise line probably
organises that.
None of which explains why his query here indicates he's just got back
from a cruise, rather than just setting out.
His query suggested he was on a cruise, and returning shortly.
Only to you.
Who else agrees with your assumption?
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And the leg he was asking about (whichever kind it might
be) was last Saturday.
Yes, we can agree on the latter.
Roland Perry
2021-09-14 10:39:39 UTC
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IIRC he's arriving by UndergrounD, I imagine quite a few
people get to
the coach station that way. I certainly did in my youth.
Yes, arriving by Victoria line, I'm guessing after returning to
the UK via
Stansted.
The reference to returning to the country was *after* the cruise.
Yes, it was that return journey that was being discussed. I think it was
today.
I didn't get that meaning from his postings.
"Now I just have to negotiate the UK government's ridiculous
overpriced obstacle course for getting back into the country
after a cruise with unlikely access to t'internet! "
Would have needed to be posted from said offline cruise boat, and the
day before arriving home is a bit late to be asking that question.
Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean zero access. It more likely to be
slow/intermittent access.
The problem wouldn't arise if the cruise had yet to start.
Clearly, it could arise the day before the cruise, if the measures
required (eg private testing having been booked) were going to be
difficult to negotiate whilst on the cruise.
If he'd thought about it even one day before the cruise, he'd have made the
on-line Day 2 PCR bookings then. It's not hard to do on-line (what's
difficult is finding a provider which honours its advertised price).
Of course, he might have held back, hoping they'd get cheaper (which has
happened) or that the requirement would be abolished (which probably will
happen, but hasn't yet).
There also needs to be a test abroad, but the cruise line probably
organises that.
None of which explains why his query here indicates he's just got back
from a cruise, rather than just setting out.
His query suggested he was on a cruise, and returning shortly.
Only to you.
Who else agrees with your assumption?
Everyone, I suspect, as none have quibbled about it.
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Recliner
2021-09-14 11:16:59 UTC
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IIRC he's arriving by UndergrounD, I imagine quite a few
people get to
the coach station that way. I certainly did in my youth.
Yes, arriving by Victoria line, I'm guessing after returning to
the UK via
Stansted.
The reference to returning to the country was *after* the cruise.
Yes, it was that return journey that was being discussed. I think it was
today.
I didn't get that meaning from his postings.
"Now I just have to negotiate the UK government's ridiculous
overpriced obstacle course for getting back into the country
after a cruise with unlikely access to t'internet! "
Would have needed to be posted from said offline cruise boat, and the
day before arriving home is a bit late to be asking that question.
Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean zero access. It more likely to be
slow/intermittent access.
The problem wouldn't arise if the cruise had yet to start.
Clearly, it could arise the day before the cruise, if the measures
required (eg private testing having been booked) were going to be
difficult to negotiate whilst on the cruise.
If he'd thought about it even one day before the cruise, he'd have made the
on-line Day 2 PCR bookings then. It's not hard to do on-line (what's
difficult is finding a provider which honours its advertised price).
Of course, he might have held back, hoping they'd get cheaper (which has
happened) or that the requirement would be abolished (which probably will
happen, but hasn't yet).
There also needs to be a test abroad, but the cruise line probably
organises that.
None of which explains why his query here indicates he's just got back
from a cruise, rather than just setting out.
His query suggested he was on a cruise, and returning shortly.
Only to you.
Who else agrees with your assumption?
Everyone, I suspect, as none have quibbled about it.
Ah, the Perry logic at its finest: everyone who ignores you by definition agrees with you!
Roland Perry
2021-09-14 15:35:49 UTC
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Who else agrees with your assumption?
Everyone, I suspect, as none have quibbled about it.
Ah, the Perry logic at its finest: everyone who ignores you by
definition agrees with you!
There are a good half dozen regulars here who are constantly
challenging other stuff I post, often in chorus, often within minutes.

On this topic, however, there's a deafening silence (and now, one in
agreement).

So I'm afraid it's your logic that's failed.
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Roland Perry
Recliner
2021-09-14 15:56:14 UTC
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Who else agrees with your assumption?
Everyone, I suspect, as none have quibbled about it.
Ah, the Perry logic at its finest: everyone who ignores you by
definition agrees with you!
There are a good half dozen regulars here who are constantly
challenging other stuff I post, often in chorus, often within minutes.
On this topic, however, there's a deafening silence (and now, one in
agreement).
So I'm afraid it's your logic that's failed.
How many people took part in this discussion? The OP asked a question,
which I immediately answered correctly, with the required info on the
lifts. You ignored the original question and started a bizarre branch into
escalators to and from a shopping mall that's not on the recommended route.
Tim has relevant info on current travel requirements, but you don't.
Roland Perry
2021-09-14 16:58:56 UTC
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Who else agrees with your assumption?
Everyone, I suspect, as none have quibbled about it.
Ah, the Perry logic at its finest: everyone who ignores you by
definition agrees with you!
There are a good half dozen regulars here who are constantly
challenging other stuff I post, often in chorus, often within minutes.
On this topic, however, there's a deafening silence (and now, one in
agreement).
So I'm afraid it's your logic that's failed.
How many people took part in this discussion?
Probably fewer and fewer the more you spiral into yet another of your
pointless arguments.
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The OP asked a question, which I immediately answered correctly, with
the required info on the lifts.
'Correct' in this context has some nuances.
Post by Recliner
You ignored the original question and started a bizarre branch into
escalators to and from a shopping mall that's not on the recommended route.
It's nevertheless the shortest route (and given the weather today, if
not on Saturday, rather more indoors than outdoors)
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Tim has relevant info on current travel requirements, but you don't.
I have as much info as he does (and I don't think Tim and I are in
dispute about that).
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2021-09-14 10:52:50 UTC
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IIRC he's arriving by UndergrounD, I imagine quite a few people
get to
the coach station that way. I certainly did in my youth.
Yes, arriving by Victoria line, I'm guessing after returning to
the UK via
Stansted.
The reference to returning to the country was *after* the cruise.
Yes, it was that return journey that was being discussed. I think it was
today.
I didn't get that meaning from his postings.
"Now I just have to negotiate the UK government's ridiculous
overpriced obstacle course for getting back into the country
after a cruise with unlikely access to t'internet! "
Would have needed to be posted from said offline cruise boat, and the
day before arriving home is a bit late to be asking that question.
Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean zero access. It more likely to be
slow/intermittent access.
The problem wouldn't arise if the cruise had yet to start.
even if you have pre-booked your return test before you depart for the
outbound journey
I believe that you still need internet access to fill in the locator
form, 48 hours before return
So if the OP was *returning* from a cruise, and it's last Friday, he
would already be 24hrs late doing that.

More evidence he probably didn't post from the cruise ship, which
recliner must think docked at least late on Friday (if the hypothetical
return flight to Stansted from wherever the cruise ended, was arriving
Saturday).
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Roland Perry
Recliner
2021-09-14 11:18:16 UTC
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IIRC he's arriving by UndergrounD, I imagine quite a few people
get to
the coach station that way. I certainly did in my youth.
Yes, arriving by Victoria line, I'm guessing after returning to
the UK via
Stansted.
The reference to returning to the country was *after* the cruise.
Yes, it was that return journey that was being discussed. I think it was
today.
I didn't get that meaning from his postings.
"Now I just have to negotiate the UK government's ridiculous
overpriced obstacle course for getting back into the country
after a cruise with unlikely access to t'internet! "
Would have needed to be posted from said offline cruise boat, and the
day before arriving home is a bit late to be asking that question.
Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean zero access. It more likely to be
slow/intermittent access.
The problem wouldn't arise if the cruise had yet to start.
even if you have pre-booked your return test before you depart for the
outbound journey
I believe that you still need internet access to fill in the locator
form, 48 hours before return
So if the OP was *returning* from a cruise, and it's last Friday, he
would already be 24hrs late doing that.
More evidence he probably didn't post from the cruise ship, which
recliner must think docked at least late on Friday (if the hypothetical
return flight to Stansted from wherever the cruise ended, was arriving
Saturday).
No, I assume they left the ship on Saturday morning.
tim...
2021-09-14 12:27:15 UTC
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IIRC he's arriving by UndergrounD, I imagine quite a few people
get to
the coach station that way. I certainly did in my youth.
Yes, arriving by Victoria line, I'm guessing after returning to
the UK via
Stansted.
The reference to returning to the country was *after* the cruise.
Yes, it was that return journey that was being discussed. I think it was
today.
I didn't get that meaning from his postings.
"Now I just have to negotiate the UK government's ridiculous
overpriced obstacle course for getting back into the country
after a cruise with unlikely access to t'internet! "
Would have needed to be posted from said offline cruise boat, and the
day before arriving home is a bit late to be asking that question.
Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean zero access. It more likely to be
slow/intermittent access.
The problem wouldn't arise if the cruise had yet to start.
even if you have pre-booked your return test before you depart for the
outbound journey
I believe that you still need internet access to fill in the locator
form, 48 hours before return
So if the OP was *returning* from a cruise, and it's last Friday, he
would already be 24hrs late doing that.
More evidence he probably didn't post from the cruise ship, which
recliner must think docked at least late on Friday (if the hypothetical
return flight to Stansted from wherever the cruise ended, was arriving
Saturday).
No, I assume they left the ship on Saturday morning.
I'm still seeing him asking what he has to do for his return, and asking
about it before his outbound on Saturday (catching a tube to Victoria to
catch coach to Southampton docks or wherever, not an unusual way to start a
cruise holiday) - just like I'm doing now for my holiday.

Because I'm assuming that he's coming back the same way that he went, and if
that were the case he would already know about the walking route between
coach station and underground station if this were the return journey.

I don't know where return via STN came in. None of the OPs 3 posts mention
that, did he post again under a pseudonym?
Roland Perry
2021-09-14 13:26:10 UTC
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IIRC he's arriving by UndergrounD, I imagine quite a few people
get to
the coach station that way. I certainly did in my youth.
Yes, arriving by Victoria line, I'm guessing after returning to
the UK via
Stansted.
The reference to returning to the country was *after* the cruise.
Yes, it was that return journey that was being discussed. I
think it was
today.
I didn't get that meaning from his postings.
"Now I just have to negotiate the UK government's ridiculous
overpriced obstacle course for getting back into the country
after a cruise with unlikely access to t'internet! "
Would have needed to be posted from said offline cruise boat, and the
day before arriving home is a bit late to be asking that question.
Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean zero access. It more likely
to be
slow/intermittent access.
The problem wouldn't arise if the cruise had yet to start.
even if you have pre-booked your return test before you depart for the
outbound journey
I believe that you still need internet access to fill in the locator
form, 48 hours before return
So if the OP was *returning* from a cruise, and it's last Friday, he
would already be 24hrs late doing that.
More evidence he probably didn't post from the cruise ship, which
recliner must think docked at least late on Friday (if the hypothetical
return flight to Stansted from wherever the cruise ended, was arriving
Saturday).
No, I assume they left the ship on Saturday morning.
I'm still seeing him asking what he has to do for his return, and
asking about it before his outbound on Saturday (catching a tube to
Victoria to catch coach to Southampton docks or wherever, not an
unusual way to start a cruise holiday) - just like I'm doing now for my
holiday.
Because I'm assuming that he's coming back the same way that he went,
and if that were the case he would already know about the walking route
between coach station and underground station if this were the return
journey.
I don't know where return via STN came in. None of the OPs 3 posts
mention that, did he post again under a pseudonym?
Recliner thinks the OP's use of the Victoria Line is to get from
Stansted (via Tottenham Hale, presumably) to the coach station to catch
a coach home. I think it's layer on layer of misapprehension.
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Recliner
2021-09-14 15:22:29 UTC
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IIRC he's arriving by UndergrounD, I imagine quite a few people
get to
the coach station that way. I certainly did in my youth.
Yes, arriving by Victoria line, I'm guessing after returning to
the UK via
Stansted.
The reference to returning to the country was *after* the cruise.
Yes, it was that return journey that was being discussed. I
think it was
today.
I didn't get that meaning from his postings.
"Now I just have to negotiate the UK government's ridiculous
overpriced obstacle course for getting back into the country
after a cruise with unlikely access to t'internet! "
Would have needed to be posted from said offline cruise boat, and the
day before arriving home is a bit late to be asking that question.
Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean zero access. It more likely
to be
slow/intermittent access.
The problem wouldn't arise if the cruise had yet to start.
even if you have pre-booked your return test before you depart for the
outbound journey
I believe that you still need internet access to fill in the locator
form, 48 hours before return
So if the OP was *returning* from a cruise, and it's last Friday, he
would already be 24hrs late doing that.
More evidence he probably didn't post from the cruise ship, which
recliner must think docked at least late on Friday (if the hypothetical
return flight to Stansted from wherever the cruise ended, was arriving
Saturday).
No, I assume they left the ship on Saturday morning.
I'm still seeing him asking what he has to do for his return, and
asking about it before his outbound on Saturday (catching a tube to
Victoria to catch coach to Southampton docks or wherever, not an
unusual way to start a cruise holiday) - just like I'm doing now for my
holiday.
Because I'm assuming that he's coming back the same way that he went,
and if that were the case he would already know about the walking route
between coach station and underground station if this were the return
journey.
I don't know where return via STN came in. None of the OPs 3 posts
mention that, did he post again under a pseudonym?
Recliner thinks the OP's use of the Victoria Line is to get from
Stansted (via Tottenham Hale, presumably) to the coach station to catch
a coach home.
Correct
Post by Roland Perry
I think it's layer on layer of misapprehension.
Well, until the OP tells us how it went, we're all just speculating, based
on little actual data.
Roland Perry
2021-09-14 15:38:15 UTC
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Recliner thinks the OP's use of the Victoria Line is to get from
Stansted (via Tottenham Hale, presumably) to the coach station to catch
a coach home.
Correct
Post by Roland Perry
I think it's layer on layer of misapprehension.
Well, until the OP tells us how it went, we're all just speculating, based
on little actual data.
The most telling data is that he'd missed the deadline for filing
paperwork to return to the UK, before posting his questions here.

What's also missing is how/when/what he would have needed to file with
the country at whose port the cruise hypothetically ended, and which he
had to enter and then transit to get to the airport to catch a flight to
Stansted.
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Recliner
2021-09-14 16:03:57 UTC
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Recliner thinks the OP's use of the Victoria Line is to get from
Stansted (via Tottenham Hale, presumably) to the coach station to catch
a coach home.
Correct
Post by Roland Perry
I think it's layer on layer of misapprehension.
Well, until the OP tells us how it went, we're all just speculating, based
on little actual data.
The most telling data is that he'd missed the deadline for filing
paperwork to return to the UK, before posting his questions here.
No, that's just your guess, based on no data at all.
Post by Roland Perry
What's also missing is how/when/what he would have needed to file with
the country at whose port the cruise hypothetically ended, and which he
had to enter and then transit to get to the airport to catch a flight to
Stansted.
Assuming it's a European cruise, all the countries visited are likely to be
in the EU, with nothing to file at the final port. The complications are to
get back into the UK. The annoying thing is that arriving pax have to jump
through hoops, all for nothing, as the documents aren't usually checked on
arrival.
Roland Perry
2021-09-14 17:01:12 UTC
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Recliner thinks the OP's use of the Victoria Line is to get from
Stansted (via Tottenham Hale, presumably) to the coach station to catch
a coach home.
Correct
Post by Roland Perry
I think it's layer on layer of misapprehension.
Well, until the OP tells us how it went, we're all just speculating, based
on little actual data.
The most telling data is that he'd missed the deadline for filing
paperwork to return to the UK, before posting his questions here.
No, that's just your guess, based on no data at all.
No it's an analysis of what he posted.
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
What's also missing is how/when/what he would have needed to file with
the country at whose port the cruise hypothetically ended, and which he
had to enter and then transit to get to the airport to catch a flight to
Stansted.
Assuming it's a European cruise, all the countries visited are likely to be
in the EU, with nothing to file at the final port.
OK, so your proposition is that European ports will accept passengers
off a cruise ship with no Covid formalities whatsoever?
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Recliner
2021-09-14 15:22:29 UTC
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Post by Graeme Wall
IIRC he's arriving by UndergrounD, I imagine quite a few people
get to
the coach station that way. I certainly did in my youth.
Yes, arriving by Victoria line, I'm guessing after returning to
the UK via
Stansted.
The reference to returning to the country was *after* the cruise.
Yes, it was that return journey that was being discussed. I think it was
today.
I didn't get that meaning from his postings.
"Now I just have to negotiate the UK government's ridiculous
overpriced obstacle course for getting back into the country
after a cruise with unlikely access to t'internet! "
Would have needed to be posted from said offline cruise boat, and the
day before arriving home is a bit late to be asking that question.
Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean zero access. It more likely to be
slow/intermittent access.
The problem wouldn't arise if the cruise had yet to start.
even if you have pre-booked your return test before you depart for the
outbound journey
I believe that you still need internet access to fill in the locator
form, 48 hours before return
So if the OP was *returning* from a cruise, and it's last Friday, he
would already be 24hrs late doing that.
More evidence he probably didn't post from the cruise ship, which
recliner must think docked at least late on Friday (if the hypothetical
return flight to Stansted from wherever the cruise ended, was arriving
Saturday).
No, I assume they left the ship on Saturday morning.
I'm still seeing him asking what he has to do for his return, and asking
about it before his outbound on Saturday (catching a tube to Victoria to
catch coach to Southampton docks or wherever, not an unusual way to start a
cruise holiday) - just like I'm doing now for my holiday.
I read it as arriving in Stansted, getting into central London, then the
coach home.
Post by tim...
Because I'm assuming that he's coming back the same way that he went, and if
that were the case he would already know about the walking route between
coach station and underground station if this were the return journey.
The main question was about the lifts in LU Victoria station. Perhaps, like
you, they'd not discovered them on the outbound journey, but wanted to
avoid the escalator on the return?
Post by tim...
I don't know where return via STN came in. None of the OPs 3 posts mention
that, did he post again under a pseudonym?
No, but the only airport pax arriving in central London on a southbound
Victoria line train will be from Stansted. That also suggests a cruise a
short haul flight away.
Roland Perry
2021-09-14 15:44:48 UTC
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Post by tim...
I don't know where return via STN came in. None of the OPs 3 posts mention
that, did he post again under a pseudonym?
No, but the only airport pax arriving in central London on a southbound
Victoria line train will be from Stansted.
Where did he say that he was arriving by plane (anywhere, anytime, not
just Stansted last Saturday).
Post by Recliner
That also suggests a cruise a short haul flight away.
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Roland Perry
Recliner
2021-09-14 16:05:36 UTC
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Post by tim...
I don't know where return via STN came in. None of the OPs 3 posts mention
that, did he post again under a pseudonym?
No, but the only airport pax arriving in central London on a southbound
Victoria line train will be from Stansted.
Where did he say that he was arriving by plane (anywhere, anytime, not
just Stansted last Saturday).
We know it was a foreign cruise, which normally involves the use of
airports.
Roland Perry
2021-09-14 16:59:32 UTC
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Post by tim...
I don't know where return via STN came in. None of the OPs 3 posts mention
that, did he post again under a pseudonym?
No, but the only airport pax arriving in central London on a southbound
Victoria line train will be from Stansted.
Where did he say that he was arriving by plane (anywhere, anytime, not
just Stansted last Saturday).
We know it was a foreign cruise, which normally involves the use of
airports.
Flying boat?
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Roland Perry
billy bookcase
2021-09-14 19:40:25 UTC
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More evidence he probably didn't post from the cruise ship, which recliner must think
docked at least late on Friday (if the hypothetical return flight to Stansted from
wherever the cruise ended, was arriving Saturday).
My question would be how he gets from the cruise ship direct onto the
Victoria Line southbound in order to then make his way to Victoria
Coach Station by the most convenient route

bb

Bryan Morris
2021-09-10 13:07:37 UTC
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Post by Mike Roberts
Post by tim...
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 10:56:32 +0100, Roland Perry
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by D A Stocks
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Roland Perry
2021,
Post by Recliner
Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we
will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train. Then
lifts  F,  D and finally A or B to the surface, the front of
the mainline  station.  Then walk to the right, till you get to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214)  and  turn left. It's then
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop  on  the
C1/C10/44 bus
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Recliner
to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator but
SWMBO  is  finding them difficult especially with a case. So I
expect the lifts are  the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up  an  escalator into Victoria Place shopping
centre and
then emerging onto  Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the
easiest and
shortest route but it's  not  entirely step-free.
Alternatively you
can head in the direction of  platform  19 and use a passage
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto  Buckingham Palace
Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of  the 
Grosvenor Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are  bus
stops
that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"
That wasn't the original question. You've invented your own version.
Hey, don't get into a pointless argument! The request was for lifts (aka
step-free) which we later clarified to be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Surely the *only* step free access out of Victoria (Victoria Line)
is to use the escalators to the main ticket office and then the lift
which takes you to the National rail concourse by the info centre.
From there it's (according to Google maps) 0.3 mile walk across the
concourse, up the escalators and through the shopping centre to stop
V, or a 0.1 mile walk to stop JA and a bus one stop to stop V.
Is it really worth all the aggro is schlepping bags onto and off a
bus to save 0.2 mile walk?  The walk to stop JA is non trivial with
bags., there are several kerbs to negotiate on this route.
And given that the long escalators inside the station cannot be
avoided the tiny ones up to the shopping centre don't seem to be much
of an additional chore.
Unless there a lift from platform level that I have never found.
There are lifts at Victoria now and Recliner named the ones needed in
his original post.
I have concluded, that as getting a bus means walking away from the
coach station in the first place and back from stop V that we will use
the lifts and then walk across the concourse to the exit onto
Buckingham Palace Road.
Taxi from the taxi rank?
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Bryan Morris
Recliner
2021-09-11 11:21:47 UTC
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Post by tim...
On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 10:56:32 +0100, Roland Perry
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by D A Stocks
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Roland Perry
2021,
Post by Recliner
Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we
will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train. Then
lifts  F,  D and finally A or B to the surface, the front of
the mainline  station.  Then walk to the right, till you get to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214)  and  turn left. It's then
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop  on  the
C1/C10/44 bus
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Recliner
to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator but
SWMBO  is  finding them difficult especially with a case. So I
expect the lifts are  the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up  an  escalator into Victoria Place shopping
centre and
then emerging onto  Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the
easiest and
shortest route but it's  not  entirely step-free.
Alternatively you
can head in the direction of  platform  19 and use a passage
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto  Buckingham Palace
Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of  the 
Grosvenor Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are  bus
stops
that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"
That wasn't the original question. You've invented your own version.
Hey, don't get into a pointless argument! The request was for lifts (aka
step-free) which we later clarified to be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Surely the *only* step free access out of Victoria (Victoria Line)
is to use the escalators to the main ticket office and then the lift
which takes you to the National rail concourse by the info centre.
From there it's (according to Google maps) 0.3 mile walk across the
concourse, up the escalators and through the shopping centre to stop
V, or a 0.1 mile walk to stop JA and a bus one stop to stop V.
Is it really worth all the aggro is schlepping bags onto and off a
bus to save 0.2 mile walk?  The walk to stop JA is non trivial with
bags., there are several kerbs to negotiate on this route.
And given that the long escalators inside the station cannot be
avoided the tiny ones up to the shopping centre don't seem to be much
of an additional chore.
Unless there a lift from platform level that I have never found.
There are lifts at Victoria now and Recliner named the ones needed in
his original post.
I have concluded, that as getting a bus means walking away from the
coach station in the first place and back from stop V that we will use
the lifts and then walk across the concourse to the exit onto
Buckingham Palace Road.
Taxi from the taxi rank?
Yup, particularly if it's raining, though there may then be a queue.
Recliner
2021-09-10 11:32:19 UTC
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Post by Recliner
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Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Roland Perry
Sep
2021,
Post by Recliner
Post by Mike Roberts
We are catching a coach from Victoria Coach Station on Saturday. I
expect to arrive on the Victoria line (southbound). Can anybody
here
tell me the shortest route from train to coach? And as we will have
cases the shortest way using the lifts?
Aim to be in the front third of the Victoria line train. Then
lifts F, D and finally A or B to the surface, the front of
the mainline station. Then walk to the right, till you get to
Buckingham Palace Road (A3214) and turn left. It's then either
a 15-20 min walk with luggage, or one stop on the C1/C10/44 bus
Post by Mike Roberts
Post by Recliner
to the coach station.
Might it be quicker to go across the station concourse and up the
escalator, and out via the shopping arcade. Also means the natural
"uphill" factor is largely eliminated.
Or are escalators ruled out?
Thank you both. I think the quickest is to use the escalator but
SWMBO is finding them difficult especially with a case. So I
expect the lifts are the best bet.
Roland's suggested route is across the *mainline* station
concourse, up an escalator into Victoria Place shopping centre and
then emerging onto Eccleston Bridge. It's probably the easiest and
shortest route but it's not entirely step-free. Alternatively you
can head in the direction of platform 19 and use a passage to the
right of a Starbucks that will emerge onto Buckingham Palace Road;
this is easier than going round the outside of the Grosvenor Hotel
because that stretch of pavement is narrow and there are bus
stops
that get in the way.
I was suggesting taking one of those buses to save a 15-20 min walk with
luggage.
are you suggesting that he should catch a bus from the stops outside the
front of the station (A,B,C,D,F) to go to stop V?
No, stop JA at Victoria to stop V at the coach station.
Which kicks the can down the road to "what's the quickest step free
access from the Victoria Line to JA?"
That wasn't the original question. You've invented your own version.
Hey, don't get into a pointless argument! The request was for lifts (aka
step-free) which we later clarified to be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Surely the *only* step free access out of Victoria (Victoria Line) is to use
the escalators to the main ticket office and then the lift which takes you
to the National rail concourse by the info centre.
No, that doesn't count as step-free if with luggage. You can do the whole route from tube platform to surface by lifts,
as I mentioned.
Post by tim...
From there it's (according to Google maps) 0.3 mile walk across the
concourse, up the escalators and through the shopping centre to stop V, or a
0.1 mile walk to stop JA and a bus one stop to stop V.
Is it really worth all the aggro is schlepping bags onto and off a bus to
save 0.2 mile walk? The walk to stop JA is non trivial with bags., there
are several kerbs to negotiate on this route.
It's still only a third of the distance, with no steps (the kerbs are dropped).
Post by tim...
And given that the long escalators inside the station cannot be avoided
Of course they can, using the lifts I mentioned in my first reply.
Post by tim...
the tiny ones up to the shopping centre don't seem to be much of an additional
chore.
Unless there a lift from platform level that I have never found.
Of course there are, to both the station and the Cardinal Place exits.
Roland Perry
2021-09-10 11:35:07 UTC
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The request was for lifts (aka step-free) which we later clarified to
be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Are those the ones at the southern exit to the food court?

Too many people here to see clearly how many:
https://goo.gl/maps/nxXhP1ST1ybp2vyA9

Sometimes one or two steps are inevitable. Would the bus-around-the
corner deploy a wheelchair ramp for the OP and his bags?
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Roland Perry
Recliner
2021-09-10 12:23:46 UTC
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Post by Recliner
The request was for lifts (aka step-free) which we later clarified to
be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Are those the ones at the southern exit to the food court?
https://goo.gl/maps/nxXhP1ST1ybp2vyA9
Try https://goo.gl/maps/2frrMxw3d2ZM6KfZ7

I reckon there's about a dozen stairs. as opposed to zero along the road outside.
Post by Roland Perry
Sometimes one or two steps are inevitable. Would the bus-around-the
corner deploy a wheelchair ramp for the OP and his bags?
All London buses can kneel, so there's minimal height distance from kerb to floor. The drivers drop the floor if they
notice anyone with heavy luggage.
tim...
2021-09-10 12:33:14 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
The request was for lifts (aka step-free) which we later clarified to
be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Are those the ones at the southern exit to the food court?
https://goo.gl/maps/nxXhP1ST1ybp2vyA9
Try https://goo.gl/maps/2frrMxw3d2ZM6KfZ7
I reckon there's about a dozen stairs. as opposed to zero along the road outside.
you first exit the shopping centre here:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4939741,-0.1462923,2a,75y,36.03h,95.19t,357.39r/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sF02ef6ywVmJPgHA4hc2e5Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

Your exit requires you to cross the road and re-enter a different shopping
centre

One which has step to get into
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Sometimes one or two steps are inevitable. Would the bus-around-the
corner deploy a wheelchair ramp for the OP and his bags?
All London buses can kneel, so there's minimal height distance from kerb
to floor. The drivers drop the floor if they
notice anyone with heavy luggage.
Roland Perry
2021-09-10 12:58:50 UTC
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Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
The request was for lifts (aka step-free) which we later clarified to
be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Are those the ones at the southern exit to the food court?
https://goo.gl/maps/nxXhP1ST1ybp2vyA9
Try https://goo.gl/maps/2frrMxw3d2ZM6KfZ7
I reckon there's about a dozen stairs. as opposed to zero along the
road outside.
t,357.39r/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sF02ef6ywVmJPgHA4hc2e5Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?
hl=en
There's a sign saying "Liverpool St" there. ?????
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Graeme Wall
2021-09-10 16:41:34 UTC
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Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
The request was for lifts (aka step-free) which we later clarified to
be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Are those the ones at the southern exit to the food court?
https://goo.gl/maps/nxXhP1ST1ybp2vyA9
Try https://goo.gl/maps/2frrMxw3d2ZM6KfZ7
I reckon there's about a dozen stairs. as opposed to zero along the
road  outside.
t,357.39r/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sF02ef6ywVmJPgHA4hc2e5Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?
hl=en
There's a sign saying "Liverpool St" there. ?????
There is? I can see one saying Sloane Square…
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Graeme Wall
This account not read.
Roland Perry
2021-09-10 17:25:24 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
The request was for lifts (aka step-free) which we later clarified to
be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Are those the ones at the southern exit to the food court?
https://goo.gl/maps/nxXhP1ST1ybp2vyA9
Try https://goo.gl/maps/2frrMxw3d2ZM6KfZ7
I reckon there's about a dozen stairs. as opposed to zero along the
road  outside.
t,357.39r/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sF02ef6ywVmJPgHA4hc2e5Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?
hl=en
There's a sign saying "Liverpool St" there. ?????
There is? I can see one saying Sloane Square…
Yes, what I see is a picture of the concourse at Liverpool St Station.
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Roland Perry
Graeme Wall
2021-09-10 18:42:09 UTC
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Post by Graeme Wall
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
The request was for lifts (aka step-free) which we later clarified to
be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Are those the ones at the southern exit to the food court?
https://goo.gl/maps/nxXhP1ST1ybp2vyA9
Try https://goo.gl/maps/2frrMxw3d2ZM6KfZ7
I reckon there's about a dozen stairs. as opposed to zero along the
road  outside.
t,357.39r/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sF02ef6ywVmJPgHA4hc2e5Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?
hl=en
 There's a sign saying "Liverpool St" there. ?????
There is? I can see one saying Sloane Square…
Yes, what I see is a picture of the concourse at Liverpool St Station.
That's because you are coming from Ely.
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Graeme Wall
This account not read.
tim...
2021-09-11 07:18:20 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
The request was for lifts (aka step-free) which we later clarified to
be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Are those the ones at the southern exit to the food court?
https://goo.gl/maps/nxXhP1ST1ybp2vyA9
Try https://goo.gl/maps/2frrMxw3d2ZM6KfZ7
I reckon there's about a dozen stairs. as opposed to zero along the
road outside.
t,357.39r/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sF02ef6ywVmJPgHA4hc2e5Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?
hl=en
There's a sign saying "Liverpool St" there. ?????
There is? I can see one saying Sloane Square…
Yes, what I see is a picture of the concourse at Liverpool St Station.
Oh doesn't work at all for me now

I really can't fathom how to capture links for street view

sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't
Post by Roland Perry
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Roland Perry
Recliner
2021-09-11 08:33:56 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
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Post by Roland Perry
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
The request was for lifts (aka step-free) which we later clarified to
be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Are those the ones at the southern exit to the food court?
https://goo.gl/maps/nxXhP1ST1ybp2vyA9
Try https://goo.gl/maps/2frrMxw3d2ZM6KfZ7
I reckon there's about a dozen stairs. as opposed to zero along the
road outside.
t,357.39r/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sF02ef6ywVmJPgHA4hc2e5Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?
hl=en
There's a sign saying "Liverpool St" there. ?????
There is? I can see one saying Sloane Square…
Yes, what I see is a picture of the concourse at Liverpool St Station.
Oh doesn't work at all for me now
I really can't fathom how to capture links for street view
sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't
But you were right about Roland's route going through two separate shopping
centres, crossing a road (Eccleston Bridge) between them. The second
shopping street has steps at both ends.
Roland Perry
2021-09-11 09:04:58 UTC
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Post by tim...
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Graeme Wall
Post by Roland Perry
Post by tim...
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
The request was for lifts (aka step-free) which we later clarified to
be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Are those the ones at the southern exit to the food court?
https://goo.gl/maps/nxXhP1ST1ybp2vyA9
Try https://goo.gl/maps/2frrMxw3d2ZM6KfZ7
I reckon there's about a dozen stairs. as opposed to zero along the
road outside.
t,357.39r/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sF02ef6ywVmJPgHA4hc2e5Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?
hl=en
There's a sign saying "Liverpool St" there. ?????
There is? I can see one saying Sloane Square…
Yes, what I see is a picture of the concourse at Liverpool St Station.
Oh doesn't work at all for me now
I really can't fathom how to capture links for street view
sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't
But you were right about Roland's route going through two separate shopping
centres, crossing a road (Eccleston Bridge) between them. The second
shopping street has steps at both ends.
I didn't suggest going through that second shopping arcade, which does
indeed have steps at the end. Been there many times, the DTI used to
have an office whose entrance was about halfway along (and was over the
railway tracks).

Now, can you say whether or not going through just the first shopping
arcade has any steps?
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Roland Perry
Recliner
2021-09-11 10:12:24 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
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Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
The request was for lifts (aka step-free) which we later clarified to
be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Are those the ones at the southern exit to the food court?
https://goo.gl/maps/nxXhP1ST1ybp2vyA9
Try https://goo.gl/maps/2frrMxw3d2ZM6KfZ7
I reckon there's about a dozen stairs. as opposed to zero along the
road outside.
t,357.39r/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sF02ef6ywVmJPgHA4hc2e5Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?
hl=en
There's a sign saying "Liverpool St" there. ?????
There is? I can see one saying Sloane Square…
Yes, what I see is a picture of the concourse at Liverpool St Station.
Oh doesn't work at all for me now
I really can't fathom how to capture links for street view
sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't
But you were right about Roland's route going through two separate shopping
centres, crossing a road (Eccleston Bridge) between them. The second
shopping street has steps at both ends.
I didn't suggest going through that second shopping arcade, which does
indeed have steps at the end. Been there many times, the DTI used to
have an office whose entrance was about halfway along (and was over the
railway tracks).
So why did you show a Streetview of that shopping arcade's southern exit?
Post by Roland Perry
Now, can you say whether or not going through just the first shopping
arcade has any steps?
There's a short escalator and flight of steps at the southern end.
tim...
2021-09-11 12:32:39 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
Post by Recliner
The request was for lifts (aka step-free) which we later
clarified
to
be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Are those the ones at the southern exit to the food court?
https://goo.gl/maps/nxXhP1ST1ybp2vyA9
Try https://goo.gl/maps/2frrMxw3d2ZM6KfZ7
I reckon there's about a dozen stairs. as opposed to zero along the
road outside.
t,357.39r/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sF02ef6ywVmJPgHA4hc2e5Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?
hl=en
There's a sign saying "Liverpool St" there. ?????
There is? I can see one saying Sloane Square…
Yes, what I see is a picture of the concourse at Liverpool St Station.
Oh doesn't work at all for me now
I really can't fathom how to capture links for street view
sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't
But you were right about Roland's route going through two separate shopping
centres, crossing a road (Eccleston Bridge) between them. The second
shopping street has steps at both ends.
I didn't suggest going through that second shopping arcade, which does
indeed have steps at the end. Been there many times, the DTI used to
have an office whose entrance was about halfway along (and was over the
railway tracks).
So why did you show a Streetview of that shopping arcade's southern exit?
he didn't

he showed the same one that I was trying to show

the exit on Eccleston Bridge

the wrong exit on Elizabeth Bridge is the one that you showed
Post by Recliner
Post by Roland Perry
Now, can you say whether or not going through just the first shopping
arcade has any steps?
There's a short escalator and flight of steps at the southern end.
Yup, as street view will show you here

https://goo.gl/maps/JCyGZB5fRPzkg2Zv7

If it works this time
Roland Perry
2021-09-11 16:26:24 UTC
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Post by Recliner
There's a short escalator and flight of steps at the southern end.
Yup, as street view will show you here
https://goo.gl/maps/JCyGZB5fRPzkg2Zv7
If it works this time
Yes, that works.
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The request was for lifts (aka step-free) which we later clarified to
be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Are those the ones at the southern exit to the food court?
https://goo.gl/maps/nxXhP1ST1ybp2vyA9
Try https://goo.gl/maps/2frrMxw3d2ZM6KfZ7
I reckon there's about a dozen stairs. as opposed to zero along the
road outside.
t,357.39r/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sF02ef6ywVmJPgHA4hc2e5Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?
hl=en
There's a sign saying "Liverpool St" there. ?????
There is? I can see one saying Sloane Square…
Yes, what I see is a picture of the concourse at Liverpool St Station.
Oh doesn't work at all for me now
I really can't fathom how to capture links for street view
sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't
But you were right about Roland's route going through two separate shopping
centres, crossing a road (Eccleston Bridge) between them. The second
shopping street has steps at both ends.
I didn't suggest going through that second shopping arcade, which does
indeed have steps at the end. Been there many times, the DTI used to
have an office whose entrance was about halfway along (and was over the
railway tracks).
So why did you show a Streetview of that shopping arcade's southern exit?
I didn't, it was the exit from Victoria Place. And if you swivel it
round there are about two steps *up* to the lower colonnade level, and a
considerable ramp, which is sufficient to put off people with heavy
luggage. It might even make them expect to find steps down at the other
end.

Closer look: https://goo.gl/maps/h3UwDQVBf1j4Mjis9
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Now, can you say whether or not going through just the first shopping
arcade has any steps?
There's a short escalator and flight of steps at the southern end.
Thanks. So if the escalator *up* from the station concourse is OK (which
we learn it may not be) then the southern end is a breeze.
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2021-09-12 09:33:55 UTC
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The request was for lifts (aka step-free) which we later
to
be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes
Are those the ones at the southern exit to the food court?
https://goo.gl/maps/nxXhP1ST1ybp2vyA9
Try https://goo.gl/maps/2frrMxw3d2ZM6KfZ7
I reckon there's about a dozen stairs. as opposed to zero along the
road outside.
t,357.39r/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sF02ef6ywVmJPgHA4hc2e5Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?
hl=en
There's a sign saying "Liverpool St" there. ?????
There is? I can see one saying Sloane Square…
Yes, what I see is a picture of the concourse at Liverpool St Station.
Oh doesn't work at all for me now
I really can't fathom how to capture links for street view
sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't
But you were right about Roland's route going through two separate shopping
centres, crossing a road (Eccleston Bridge) between them. The second
shopping street has steps at both ends.
I didn't suggest going through that second shopping arcade, which does
indeed have steps at the end. Been there many times, the DTI used to
have an office whose entrance was about halfway along (and was over the
railway tracks).
So why did you show a Streetview of that shopping arcade's southern exit?
I didn't, it was the exit from Victoria Place. And if you swivel it
round there are about two steps *up* to the lower colonnade level, and a
considerable ramp, which is sufficient to put off people with heavy
luggage. It might even make them expect to find steps down at the other
end.
Closer look: https://goo.gl/maps/h3UwDQVBf1j4Mjis9
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Post by Roland Perry
Now, can you say whether or not going through just the first shopping
arcade has any steps?
There's a short escalator and flight of steps at the southern end.
Thanks. So if the escalator *up* from the station concourse is OK (which
we learn it may not be) then the southern end is a breeze.
No, it's not.
It is, if the up escalator is OK.
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2021-09-12 09:51:17 UTC
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The request was for lifts (aka step-free) which we later
to
be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes
Are those the ones at the southern exit to the food court?
https://goo.gl/maps/nxXhP1ST1ybp2vyA9
Try https://goo.gl/maps/2frrMxw3d2ZM6KfZ7
I reckon there's about a dozen stairs. as opposed to zero along the
road outside.
t,357.39r/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sF02ef6ywVmJPgHA4hc2e5Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?
hl=en
There's a sign saying "Liverpool St" there. ?????
There is? I can see one saying Sloane Square…
Yes, what I see is a picture of the concourse at Liverpool St Station.
Oh doesn't work at all for me now
I really can't fathom how to capture links for street view
sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't
But you were right about Roland's route going through two separate shopping
centres, crossing a road (Eccleston Bridge) between them. The second
shopping street has steps at both ends.
I didn't suggest going through that second shopping arcade, which does
indeed have steps at the end. Been there many times, the DTI used to
have an office whose entrance was about halfway along (and was over the
railway tracks).
So why did you show a Streetview of that shopping arcade's southern exit?
I didn't, it was the exit from Victoria Place. And if you swivel it
round there are about two steps *up* to the lower colonnade level, and a
considerable ramp, which is sufficient to put off people with heavy
luggage. It might even make them expect to find steps down at the other
end.
Closer look: https://goo.gl/maps/h3UwDQVBf1j4Mjis9
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Post by Roland Perry
Now, can you say whether or not going through just the first shopping
arcade has any steps?
There's a short escalator and flight of steps at the southern end.
Thanks. So if the escalator *up* from the station concourse is OK (which
we learn it may not be) then the southern end is a breeze.
No, it's not.
It is, if the up escalator is OK.
Neither escalator is OK.
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2021-09-12 11:12:34 UTC
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railway tracks).
So why did you show a Streetview of that shopping arcade's southern exit?
I didn't, it was the exit from Victoria Place. And if you swivel it
round there are about two steps *up* to the lower colonnade level, and a
considerable ramp, which is sufficient to put off people with heavy
luggage. It might even make them expect to find steps down at the other
end.
Closer look: https://goo.gl/maps/h3UwDQVBf1j4Mjis9
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Post by Roland Perry
Now, can you say whether or not going through just the first shopping
arcade has any steps?
There's a short escalator and flight of steps at the southern end.
Thanks. So if the escalator *up* from the station concourse is OK (which
we learn it may not be) then the southern end is a breeze.
No, it's not.
It is, if the up escalator is OK.
Neither escalator is OK.
They are clearly OK for a very large number of people. Including people
with luggage. Not necessarily the OP, but I ring-fenced that earlier
(did you not read it?)
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2021-09-11 12:27:02 UTC
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The request was for lifts (aka step-free) which we later
clarified
to
be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Are those the ones at the southern exit to the food court?
https://goo.gl/maps/nxXhP1ST1ybp2vyA9
Try https://goo.gl/maps/2frrMxw3d2ZM6KfZ7
I reckon there's about a dozen stairs. as opposed to zero along the
road outside.
t,357.39r/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sF02ef6ywVmJPgHA4hc2e5Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?
hl=en
There's a sign saying "Liverpool St" there. ?????
There is? I can see one saying Sloane Square…
Yes, what I see is a picture of the concourse at Liverpool St Station.
Oh doesn't work at all for me now
I really can't fathom how to capture links for street view
sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't
But you were right about Roland's route going through two separate shopping
centres, crossing a road (Eccleston Bridge) between them. The second
shopping street has steps at both ends.
ITYF that Roland's route was to use the road at the end of the first
shopping centre

your route was the one through the second shopping centre
Recliner
2021-09-11 13:08:59 UTC
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The request was for lifts (aka step-free) which we later
clarified
to
be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Are those the ones at the southern exit to the food court?
https://goo.gl/maps/nxXhP1ST1ybp2vyA9
Try https://goo.gl/maps/2frrMxw3d2ZM6KfZ7
I reckon there's about a dozen stairs. as opposed to zero along the
road outside.
t,357.39r/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sF02ef6ywVmJPgHA4hc2e5Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?
hl=en
There's a sign saying "Liverpool St" there. ?????
There is? I can see one saying Sloane Square…
Yes, what I see is a picture of the concourse at Liverpool St Station.
Oh doesn't work at all for me now
I really can't fathom how to capture links for street view
sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't
But you were right about Roland's route going through two separate shopping
centres, crossing a road (Eccleston Bridge) between them. The second
shopping street has steps at both ends.
ITYF that Roland's route was to use the road at the end of the first
shopping centre
your route was the one through the second shopping centre
No, my route was to use the road the whole way.
tim...
2021-09-11 13:36:02 UTC
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The request was for lifts (aka step-free) which we later
clarified
to
be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Are those the ones at the southern exit to the food court?
https://goo.gl/maps/nxXhP1ST1ybp2vyA9
Try https://goo.gl/maps/2frrMxw3d2ZM6KfZ7
I reckon there's about a dozen stairs. as opposed to zero along the
road outside.
t,357.39r/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sF02ef6ywVmJPgHA4hc2e5Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?
hl=en
There's a sign saying "Liverpool St" there. ?????
There is? I can see one saying Sloane Square.
Yes, what I see is a picture of the concourse at Liverpool St Station.
Oh doesn't work at all for me now
I really can't fathom how to capture links for street view
sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't
But you were right about Roland's route going through two separate shopping
centres, crossing a road (Eccleston Bridge) between them. The second
shopping street has steps at both ends.
ITYF that Roland's route was to use the road at the end of the first
shopping centre
your route was the one through the second shopping centre
No, my route was to use the road the whole way.
OK your (incorrect) interpretation of Roland's route
Recliner
2021-09-11 14:14:25 UTC
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The request was for lifts (aka step-free) which we later
clarified
to
be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Are those the ones at the southern exit to the food court?
https://goo.gl/maps/nxXhP1ST1ybp2vyA9
Try https://goo.gl/maps/2frrMxw3d2ZM6KfZ7
I reckon there's about a dozen stairs. as opposed to zero along the
road outside.
t,357.39r/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sF02ef6ywVmJPgHA4hc2e5Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?
hl=en
There's a sign saying "Liverpool St" there. ?????
There is? I can see one saying Sloane Square.
Yes, what I see is a picture of the concourse at Liverpool St Station.
Oh doesn't work at all for me now
I really can't fathom how to capture links for street view
sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't
But you were right about Roland's route going through two separate shopping
centres, crossing a road (Eccleston Bridge) between them. The second
shopping street has steps at both ends.
ITYF that Roland's route was to use the road at the end of the first
shopping centre
your route was the one through the second shopping centre
No, my route was to use the road the whole way.
OK your (incorrect) interpretation of Roland's route
Yes, perhaps.

Incidentally, I think there's a wheelchair lift at the southern end of the Victoria Place shopping centre, alongside the
seven stairs and short escalator. So that end of the route does provide step-free access. But are escalators the only
way to get to that level from the station concourse? If so, that route is ruled out. It's certainly not the signposted
route to the coach station.
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2021-09-11 11:29:43 UTC
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The request was for lifts (aka step-free) which we later clarified to
be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Are those the ones at the southern exit to the food court?
https://goo.gl/maps/nxXhP1ST1ybp2vyA9
Try https://goo.gl/maps/2frrMxw3d2ZM6KfZ7
I reckon there's about a dozen stairs. as opposed to zero along the
road outside.
t,357.39r/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sF02ef6ywVmJPgHA4hc2e5Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?
hl=en
There's a sign saying "Liverpool St" there. ?????
There is? I can see one saying Sloane Square…
Yes, what I see is a picture of the concourse at Liverpool St Station.
Oh doesn't work at all for me now
I really can't fathom how to capture links for street view
sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't
Try <https://goo.gl/maps/oGs1myRGYT5NrwK29>
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2021-09-11 12:40:28 UTC
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The request was for lifts (aka step-free) which we later
clarified
to
be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Are those the ones at the southern exit to the food court?
https://goo.gl/maps/nxXhP1ST1ybp2vyA9
Try https://goo.gl/maps/2frrMxw3d2ZM6KfZ7
I reckon there's about a dozen stairs. as opposed to zero along the
road outside.
t,357.39r/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sF02ef6ywVmJPgHA4hc2e5Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?
hl=en
There's a sign saying "Liverpool St" there. ?????
There is? I can see one saying Sloane Square.
Yes, what I see is a picture of the concourse at Liverpool St Station.
Oh doesn't work at all for me now
I really can't fathom how to capture links for street view
sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't
Try <https://goo.gl/maps/oGs1myRGYT5NrwK29>
I was trying to do the outside of that entrance.

I selected the option to make a short link for my view and then pasted
elsewhere to check, and all I got was a picture of some psychedelic
triangles

whilst cutting and pasting the long link worked (until it didn't)
Roland Perry
2021-09-10 12:56:56 UTC
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The request was for lifts (aka step-free) which we later clarified to
be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Are those the ones at the southern exit to the food court?
https://goo.gl/maps/nxXhP1ST1ybp2vyA9
Try https://goo.gl/maps/2frrMxw3d2ZM6KfZ7
I reckon there's about a dozen stairs. as opposed to zero along the road outside.
Really, I can't see any at all behind those people. Although I think the
walk from the most southerly of the shops to the door is somewhat
sloping downhill.
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Sometimes one or two steps are inevitable. Would the bus-around-the
corner deploy a wheelchair ramp for the OP and his bags?
All London buses can kneel, so there's minimal height distance from
kerb to floor. The drivers drop the floor if they notice anyone with
heavy luggage.
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2021-09-11 11:23:55 UTC
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The request was for lifts (aka step-free) which we later clarified to
be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Are those the ones at the southern exit to the food court?
https://goo.gl/maps/nxXhP1ST1ybp2vyA9
Try https://goo.gl/maps/2frrMxw3d2ZM6KfZ7
I reckon there's about a dozen stairs. as opposed to zero along the road outside.
Really, I can't see any at all behind those people.
There are no people at all in that view, which you clearly haven't looked at.
Roland Perry
2021-09-11 16:19:17 UTC
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The request was for lifts (aka step-free) which we later clarified to
be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Are those the ones at the southern exit to the food court?
https://goo.gl/maps/nxXhP1ST1ybp2vyA9
Try https://goo.gl/maps/2frrMxw3d2ZM6KfZ7
I reckon there's about a dozen stairs. as opposed to zero along the road outside.
Really, I can't see any at all behind those people.
There are no people at all in that view, which you clearly haven't looked at.
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https://goo.gl/maps/nxXhP1ST1ybp2vyA9
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D A Stocks
2021-09-11 18:45:41 UTC
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The request was for lifts (aka step-free) which we later clarified to
be "and not even escalators".
Your escalator route from platform level also includes fixed steps.
Are those the ones at the southern exit to the food court?
https://goo.gl/maps/nxXhP1ST1ybp2vyA9
Try https://goo.gl/maps/2frrMxw3d2ZM6KfZ7
That's a completely different building with no access to the mainline
station.
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I reckon there's about a dozen stairs. as opposed to zero along the road outside.
I think there is a way out of the upper level to here (looking along
Eccleston Bridge towards Buckingham Palace Rd):
<<https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4938039,-0.1454968,3a,90y,344.74h,95.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKFdhrX3KhPYtygfEi8XpEw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en>>

and that would be step (but not escalator) free. It definitely has access to
platforms 12-14 but that's via a ticket gate.

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