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Jarle Hammen Knudsen
2017-03-06 21:29:01 UTC
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Are there any interesting parliamentary services in London at the
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Christopher A. Lee
2017-03-06 22:38:27 UTC
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Are there any interesting parliamentary services in London at the
moment?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_train#Examples_of_extant_.22parliamentary.22_trains

Some of these are in London.
Offramp
2017-03-07 07:34:36 UTC
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On Mon, 06 Mar 2017 22:29:01 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
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Are there any interesting parliamentary services in London at the
moment?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_train#Examples_of_extant_.22parliamentary.22_trains
Some of these are in London.
That Wikipedia entry gives a link to a dedicated site, at http://www.psul4all.free-online.co.uk/2017.htm.
Mike Bristow
2017-03-07 09:36:03 UTC
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On Mon, 06 Mar 2017 22:29:01 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
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Are there any interesting parliamentary services in London at the
moment?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_train#Examples_of_extant_.22parliamentary.22_trains
That article lists the Woodgrange Park - Wilsden Junction service
as a parlimentrary one; I don't think it is. It's more of a peak
hours boost using the spare set, isn't it?

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2017-03-07 11:21:45 UTC
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On Mon, 06 Mar 2017 22:29:01 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
Post by Jarle Hammen Knudsen
Are there any interesting parliamentary services in London at the
moment?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_train#Examples_of_extant_.22parli
amentary.22_trains
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That article lists the Woodgrange Park - Wilsden Junction service
as a parlimentrary one; I don't think it is. It's more of a peak
hours boost using the spare set, isn't it?
It uses a (short) stretch of line no other services use.
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Mike Bristow
2017-03-07 12:03:01 UTC
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On Mon, 06 Mar 2017 22:29:01 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
Post by Jarle Hammen Knudsen
Are there any interesting parliamentary services in London at the
moment?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_train#Examples_of_extant_.22parli
amentary.22_trains
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That article lists the Woodgrange Park - Wilsden Junction service
as a parlimentrary one; I don't think it is. It's more of a peak
hours boost using the spare set, isn't it?
It uses a (short) stretch of line no other services use.
Yes, absolutly. Well, no other passenger services.

However "Using track that's not often used" isn't really the definition
of a parlimentery train, IMO. A parlimentry train is one that is
run to avoid the hassle of formal clousure procedures. That service
is a peak hours congestion buster.
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Roland Perry
2017-03-07 12:34:06 UTC
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That article lists the Woodgrange Park - Wilsden Junction service
as a parlimentrary one; I don't think it is. It's more of a peak
hours boost using the spare set, isn't it?
It uses a (short) stretch of line no other services use.
Yes, absolutly. Well, no other passenger services.
However "Using track that's not often used" isn't really the definition
of a parlimentery train, IMO. A parlimentry train is one that is
run to avoid the hassle of formal clousure procedures. That service
is a peak hours congestion buster.
It could of course be a parly that unusually runs when people need it,
rather than at the most inconvenient possible time.
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Mike Bristow
2017-03-07 16:56:35 UTC
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That article lists the Woodgrange Park - Wilsden Junction service
as a parlimentrary one; I don't think it is. It's more of a peak
hours boost using the spare set, isn't it?
It uses a (short) stretch of line no other services use.
Yes, absolutly. Well, no other passenger services.
However "Using track that's not often used" isn't really the definition
of a parlimentery train, IMO. A parlimentry train is one that is
run to avoid the hassle of formal clousure procedures. That service
is a peak hours congestion buster.
It could of course be a parly that unusually runs when people need it,
rather than at the most inconvenient possible time.
You're wrong. I've done some digging. The service was introduced
in 2005 or so (albeit in a different form), to use the spare set
to try and reduce overcrowding. The user group has a history of
the "PIXC busters" on their site if you're curious.

If we accept that a parly train is one run to avoid clousure
proceedings, then that train ain't one.

If you want to define it as an occasional train run on on track
rarely used in passenger service, feel free (but I'll disagree with
your definition).
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Roland Perry
2017-03-07 19:21:48 UTC
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However "Using track that's not often used" isn't really the definition
of a parlimentery train, IMO. A parlimentry train is one that is
run to avoid the hassle of formal clousure procedures. That service
is a peak hours congestion buster.
It could of course be a parly that unusually runs when people need it,
rather than at the most inconvenient possible time.
You're wrong.
Wrong to speculate. Now that's a first.
Post by Mike Bristow
I've done some digging. The service was introduced
in 2005 or so (albeit in a different form), to use the spare set
to try and reduce overcrowding. The user group has a history of
the "PIXC busters" on their site if you're curious.
If we accept that a parly train is one run to avoid clousure
proceedings, then that train ain't one.
If you want to define it as an occasional train run on on track
rarely used in passenger service, feel free (but I'll disagree with
your definition).
I wasn't. So there's nothing to disagree with.
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Charles Ellson
2017-03-08 01:51:56 UTC
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On Mon, 06 Mar 2017 22:29:01 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
Post by Jarle Hammen Knudsen
Are there any interesting parliamentary services in London at the
moment?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_train#Examples_of_extant_.22parliamentary.22_trains
That article lists the Woodgrange Park - Wilsden Junction service
as a parlimentrary one; I don't think it is. It's more of a peak
hours boost using the spare set, isn't it?
It uses IIRC two bits of track not used by other passenger services -
1-GOBLIN to NLL at Gospel Oak
2-NLL to DC line at Willesden
No.2 was devoid of passenger services long before the morning DMU was
running, being one of two ways of getting from Kensal Rise to
Willesden Junction with arrival at different levels/platforms so
possibly disqualified as a Parliamentary.
Did No.1 ever have a passenger service ?
Mike Bristow
2017-03-08 11:19:07 UTC
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It uses IIRC two bits of track not used by other passenger services -
1-GOBLIN to NLL at Gospel Oak
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Did No.1 ever have a passenger service ?
I don't think so; previous western termini have included stations
towards St Pancras, rather than stations beyond Hampstead, as far
as I know.
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2017-03-08 14:18:49 UTC
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It uses IIRC two bits of track not used by other passenger services -
1-GOBLIN to NLL at Gospel Oak
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Did No.1 ever have a passenger service ?
I don't think so; previous western termini have included stations
towards St Pancras, rather than stations beyond Hampstead, as far
as I know.
When the terminus was Kentish Town, as it was for very may years, trains
didn't even get to Gospel Oak.
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Paul Corfield
2017-03-08 22:20:04 UTC
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On Mon, 06 Mar 2017 22:29:01 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
Post by Jarle Hammen Knudsen
Are there any interesting parliamentary services in London at the
moment?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_train#Examples_of_extant_.22parliamentary.22_trains
Some of these are in London.
Worth noting that the Sat only 0530 from Liverpool St to Enfield is not running via South Tottenham at the moment. This is because the old electric overhead wiring through South Tottenham has been removed. It and the short stretches on connecting tracks will be reinstated as part of the GOBLIN electrification project.
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Basil Jet
2017-03-08 22:50:22 UTC
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Worth noting that the Sat only 0530 from Liverpool St to Enfield is not running via South Tottenham at the moment. This is because the old electric overhead wiring through South Tottenham has been removed. It and the short stretches on connecting tracks will be reinstated as part of the GOBLIN electrification project.
Prior to the wires being removed, were these curves ever used during
engineering works? You'd think the tracks through Stamford Hill would be
closed the odd Sunday, but I don't recall it happening.
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2017-03-09 00:54:28 UTC
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Worth noting that the Sat only 0530 from Liverpool St to Enfield is
not running via South Tottenham at the moment. This is because the
old electric overhead wiring through South Tottenham has been
removed. It and the short stretches on connecting tracks will be
reinstated as part of the GOBLIN electrification project.
Prior to the wires being removed, were these curves ever used during
engineering works? You'd think the tracks through Stamford Hill would
be closed the odd Sunday, but I don't recall it happening.
How would the route through Stamford Hill being closed affect usage of? Has
the route through South Tottenham to Enfield ever been a diversionary route
when there is a blockade south of Seven Sisters?

This weekend all West Anglia trains are being diverted from the Lea Valley
via Seven Sisters instead of Tottenham Hale. For the first time I recall,
Cambridge trains are stopping at Hackney Downs.
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2017-03-09 19:14:37 UTC
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Worth noting that the Sat only 0530 from Liverpool St to Enfield is not running via South Tottenham at the moment. This is because the old electric overhead wiring through South Tottenham has been removed. It and the short stretches on connecting tracks will be reinstated as part of the GOBLIN electrification project.
Prior to the wires being removed, were these curves ever used during
engineering works? You'd think the tracks through Stamford Hill would be
closed the odd Sunday, but I don't recall it happening.
I seem to remmeber that the answer is yes, and not too long ago. I
ca't remember the details though,.
Mark
2017-03-15 15:30:18 UTC
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On Mon, 06 Mar 2017 22:29:01 +0100, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
Post by Jarle Hammen Knudsen
Are there any interesting parliamentary services in London at the
moment?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_train#Examples_of_extant_.22parliamentary.22_trains
Some of these are in London.
"London Charing Cross at 0015 to Tonbridge via Beckenham Junction, Tuesdays to Saturdays only (return at 0449 from Tonbridge to London Charing Cross via Beckenham Junction, Mondays to Fridays only). These use the curve between Beckenham Junction and New Beckenham"

By coincidence I managed to unexpectedly travel between New Beckenham and
Beckenham Junction on Saturday 11th March.

I was waiting for a Hayes train at Lower Sydenham, and noticed Beckenham
Junction on the platform display. I was in no rush so decided to go on a
detour...

It was the 1347 Charing Cross to Hayes service, which was 13 minutes late
at Lower Sydenham and diverted to Beckenham Junction and terminated in the
bay platform, returning as a 1456 service to Charing Cross. (I was the only
passenger on the return train until New Beckenham)

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2017-03-07 11:15:32 UTC
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Are there any interesting parliamentary services in London at the
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Why is the 6.38 SO run between WVH and WSL direct? The line is a
frieght and diversion line which is heavily used.

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2017-03-07 11:16:53 UTC
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Are there any interesting parliamentary services in London at the
moment?
Why is the 6.38 SO run between WVH and WSL direct? The line is a
frieght and diversion line which is heavily used.
Why not run the above service via BHM like all the other WVH - WSL
services?


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2017-03-07 11:28:06 UTC
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Are there any interesting parliamentary services in London at the
moment?
Why is the 6.38 SO run between WVH and WSL direct? The line is a
frieght and diversion line which is heavily used.
Why not run the above service via BHM like all the other WVH - WSL
services?
Because in order to no run it, or to not run it direct, they'd have to
officially close that line to passenger traffic. Avoiding this is the main
purpose of most current 'parly' trains.


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2017-03-07 13:07:32 UTC
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Are there any interesting parliamentary services in London at the
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