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"Explosion" on tube train
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Recliner
2017-09-15 08:50:12 UTC
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Lithium battery inside something? Injuries cause by the panic, not the
'device'.
It looks like it was a very-improvised explosive device that fortunately
didn't go off properly. But it does seem to have burned some passengers,
while other injuries were indeed caused by the panic evacuation.

One of the people waiting for her train on the station was the main
presenter of BBC London news, so I guess she'll have extensive reports on
it in today's bulletins.
tim...
2017-09-15 09:57:10 UTC
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<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545>
Lithium battery inside something? Injuries cause by the panic, not the
'device'.
It looks like it was a very-improvised explosive device that fortunately
didn't go off properly. But it does seem to have burned some passengers,
while other injuries were indeed caused by the panic evacuation.
and on evidence so far will shut down half the underground for the day

a cheap way of creating chaos
CJB
2017-09-15 15:34:07 UTC
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<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545>
Lithium battery inside something? Injuries cause by the panic, not the
'device'.
It looks like it was a very-improvised explosive device that fortunately
didn't go off properly. But it does seem to have burned some passengers,
while other injuries were indeed caused by the panic evacuation.
One of the people waiting for her train on the station was the main
presenter of BBC London news, so I guess she'll have extensive reports on
it in today's bulletins.
But its all OK because Sadiq Khan the Mayor of London said "Terrorism is part and parcel of living in a big cty."

https://pamelageller.com/2017/09/london-subway-train-fire-treated-act-terrorism.html/
Recliner
2017-09-15 15:58:24 UTC
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<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545>
Lithium battery inside something? Injuries cause by the panic, not the
'device'.
It looks like it was a very-improvised explosive device that fortunately
didn't go off properly. But it does seem to have burned some passengers,
while other injuries were indeed caused by the panic evacuation.
One of the people waiting for her train on the station was the main
presenter of BBC London news, so I guess she'll have extensive reports on
it in today's bulletins.
But its all OK because Sadiq Khan the Mayor of London said "Terrorism is part and parcel of living in a big cty."
https://pamelageller.com/2017/09/london-subway-train-fire-treated-act-terrorism.html/
Except that he didn't:
<http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sadiq-khan-london-mayor-terrorism-attacks-part-and-parcel-major-cities-new-york-bombing-a7322846.html>
Someone Somewhere
2017-09-15 16:03:43 UTC
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<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545>
Lithium battery inside something? Injuries cause by the panic, not the
'device'.
It looks like it was a very-improvised explosive device that fortunately
didn't go off properly. But it does seem to have burned some passengers,
while other injuries were indeed caused by the panic evacuation.
One of the people waiting for her train on the station was the main
presenter of BBC London news, so I guess she'll have extensive reports on
it in today's bulletins.
But its all OK because Sadiq Khan the Mayor of London said "Terrorism is part and parcel of living in a big cty."
https://pamelageller.com/2017/09/london-subway-train-fire-treated-act-terrorism.html/
Cite evidence rather than a stupid image in the comments section?

Most other evidence disagrees with you:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/mar/29/misleading-qa-question-on-sadiq-khan-should-have-been-corrected-abc-admits
Charles Ellson
2017-09-15 17:10:10 UTC
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<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545>
Lithium battery inside something? Injuries cause by the panic, not the
'device'.
It looks like it was a very-improvised explosive device that fortunately
didn't go off properly. But it does seem to have burned some passengers,
while other injuries were indeed caused by the panic evacuation.
One of the people waiting for her train on the station was the main
presenter of BBC London news, so I guess she'll have extensive reports on
it in today's bulletins.
She's just said she was 15 minutes away.
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2017-09-15 20:01:08 UTC
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:50:12 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
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<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545>
Lithium battery inside something? Injuries cause by the panic, not the
'device'.
It looks like it was a very-improvised explosive device that fortunately
didn't go off properly. But it does seem to have burned some passengers,
while other injuries were indeed caused by the panic evacuation.
One of the people waiting for her train on the station was the main
presenter of BBC London news, so I guess she'll have extensive reports on
it in today's bulletins.
She's just said she was 15 minutes away.
It seems the Wimbledon Branch is closed for the day. I passed Wimbledon (on
my way from Waterloo to Bournemouth) about 12:45 and there were 4 District
Line trains in the bay platforms showing their tail lights. So they weren't
going anywhere soon.

While I think we can be grateful (like on 21/7) that making viable explosive
devices isn't as easy as many people think, I see the threat level has been
raised to critical, presumably because the culprit is at large and may have
other weaponry.
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Recliner
2017-09-15 20:22:45 UTC
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 08:50:12 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
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<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545>
Lithium battery inside something? Injuries cause by the panic, not the
'device'.
It looks like it was a very-improvised explosive device that fortunately
didn't go off properly. But it does seem to have burned some passengers,
while other injuries were indeed caused by the panic evacuation.
One of the people waiting for her train on the station was the main
presenter of BBC London news, so I guess she'll have extensive reports on
it in today's bulletins.
She's just said she was 15 minutes away.
It seems the Wimbledon Branch is closed for the day. I passed Wimbledon (on
my way from Waterloo to Bournemouth) about 12:45 and there were 4 District
Line trains in the bay platforms showing their tail lights. So they weren't
going anywhere soon.
While I think we can be grateful (like on 21/7) that making viable explosive
devices isn't as easy as many people think, I see the threat level has been
raised to critical, presumably because the culprit is at large and may have
other weaponry.
And as with other attacks, there may be a bomb-making cell behind it.
We can laugh at their incompetence with this bomb, but they may get it
right with a second one.
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2017-09-15 20:35:23 UTC
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It seems the Wimbledon Branch is closed for the day. I passed Wimbledon
(on my way from Waterloo to Bournemouth) about 12:45 and there were 4
District Line trains in the bay platforms showing their tail lights. So
they weren't going anywhere soon.
While I think we can be grateful (like on 21/7) that making viable
explosive devices isn't as easy as many people think, I see the threat
level has been raised to critical, presumably because the culprit is at
large and may have other weaponry.
And as with other attacks, there may be a bomb-making cell behind it.
We can laugh at their incompetence with this bomb, but they may get it
right with a second one.
Hence the sharp increase in security resources now being devoted to finding
them, as after 21/7.
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Recliner
2017-09-15 21:21:18 UTC
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It seems the Wimbledon Branch is closed for the day. I passed Wimbledon
(on my way from Waterloo to Bournemouth) about 12:45 and there were 4
District Line trains in the bay platforms showing their tail lights. So
they weren't going anywhere soon.
While I think we can be grateful (like on 21/7) that making viable
explosive devices isn't as easy as many people think, I see the threat
level has been raised to critical, presumably because the culprit is at
large and may have other weaponry.
And as with other attacks, there may be a bomb-making cell behind it.
We can laugh at their incompetence with this bomb, but they may get it
right with a second one.
Hence the sharp increase in security resources now being devoted to finding
them, as after 21/7.
<https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/15/four-lions-factor-how-terrorist-incompetence-is-saving-lives>
Roland Perry
2017-09-16 06:06:47 UTC
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And as with other attacks, there may be a bomb-making cell behind it.
We can laugh at their incompetence with this bomb, but they may get it
right with a second one.
Hence the sharp increase in security resources now being devoted to finding
them, as after 21/7.
<https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/15/four-lions-factor-how-terrorist-incompetence-is-saving-lives>
"initial examination of the device led explosives experts to
conclude it was 'viable', meaning it was meant to explode more
fully."

Is that really what 'viable' means? I'd always thought it meant
"constructed in such a way that it would in fact usually explode",
rather than merely wishful thinking on the part of the bomb-maker who
meant it to explode, had it been constructed properly.

cf: "capable of working successfully"
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Recliner
2017-09-16 10:36:13 UTC
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And as with other attacks, there may be a bomb-making cell behind it.
We can laugh at their incompetence with this bomb, but they may get it
right with a second one.
Hence the sharp increase in security resources now being devoted to finding
them, as after 21/7.
<https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/15/four-lions-factor-how-terrorist-incompetence-is-saving-lives>
"initial examination of the device led explosives experts to
conclude it was 'viable', meaning it was meant to explode more
fully."
Is that really what 'viable' means? I'd always thought it meant
"constructed in such a way that it would in fact usually explode",
rather than merely wishful thinking on the part of the bomb-maker who
meant it to explode, had it been constructed properly.
cf: "capable of working successfully"
My reading of it is that the igniter/detonator went off, but that for some
reason (obviously not disclosed) it failed to set off the main bomb. Had
the latter gone off, the effects would have been far worse.

Obviously I don't know why the main bomb didn't go off, and will refrain
from speculating.
tim...
2017-09-16 13:19:33 UTC
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ember.org>, at 21:21:18 on Fri, 15 Sep 2017, Recliner
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And as with other attacks, there may be a bomb-making cell behind it.
We can laugh at their incompetence with this bomb, but they may get it
right with a second one.
Hence the sharp increase in security resources now being devoted to finding
them, as after 21/7.
<https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/15/four-lions-factor-how-terrorist-incompetence-is-saving-lives>
"initial examination of the device led explosives experts to
conclude it was 'viable', meaning it was meant to explode more
fully."
Is that really what 'viable' means? I'd always thought it meant
"constructed in such a way that it
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would in fact usually explode",
rather than merely wishful thinking on the part of the bomb-maker who
meant it to explode, had it been constructed properly.
in these terms Viable means - is made up of the correct parts to cause an
explosion - if it has been constructed correctly

The salient point being that a viable device is one that has to be handled
very carefully by the disposal people, because it still has the capacity to
explode in their faces if they handle it incorrectly

tim

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2017-09-16 13:15:42 UTC
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Post by Recliner
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545>
Lithium battery inside something? Injuries cause by the panic, not the
'device'.
It looks like it was a very-improvised explosive device that fortunately
didn't go off properly. But it does seem to have burned some passengers,
while other injuries were indeed caused by the panic evacuation.
One of the people waiting for her train on the station was the main
presenter of BBC London news, so I guess she'll have extensive reports on
it in today's bulletins.
She's just said she was 15 minutes away.
It seems the Wimbledon Branch is closed for the day. I passed Wimbledon (on
my way from Waterloo to Bournemouth) about 12:45 and there were 4 District
Line trains in the bay platforms showing their tail lights. So they weren't
going anywhere soon.
While I think we can be grateful (like on 21/7) that making viable explosive
devices isn't as easy as many people think, I see the threat level has been
raised to critical, presumably because the culprit is at large and may have
other weaponry.
And as with other attacks, there may be a bomb-making cell behind it.
We can laugh at their incompetence with this bomb, but they may get it
right with a second one.
as is said

they only need to get lucky once

tim
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2017-09-15 20:42:23 UTC
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While I think we can be grateful (like on 21/7) that making viable explosive
devices isn't as easy as many people think, I see the threat level has been
raised to critical, presumably because the culprit is at large and may have
other weaponry.
They left a Bucket, beware of a man with a spade.

G.Harman
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2017-09-16 11:14:10 UTC
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"initial examination of the device led explosives experts to
conclude it was 'viable', meaning it was meant to explode more
fully."
Is that really what 'viable' means? I'd always thought it meant
"constructed in such a way that it would in fact usually explode",
rather than merely wishful thinking on the part of the bomb-maker who
meant it to explode, had it been constructed properly.
cf: "capable of working successfully"
My reading of it is that the igniter/detonator went off, but that for some
reason (obviously not disclosed) it failed to set off the main bomb. Had
the latter gone off, the effects would have been far worse.
Obviously I don't know why the main bomb didn't go off, and will refrain
from speculating.
Demonstrating that getting detonators to fire main charges is harder than
people think, fortunately for a lot of Londoners yesterday.
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Roland Perry
2017-09-16 11:54:11 UTC
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"initial examination of the device led explosives experts to
conclude it was 'viable', meaning it was meant to explode more
fully."
Is that really what 'viable' means? I'd always thought it meant
"constructed in such a way that it would in fact usually explode",
rather than merely wishful thinking on the part of the bomb-maker who
meant it to explode, had it been constructed properly.
cf: "capable of working successfully"
My reading of it is that the igniter/detonator went off, but that for some
reason (obviously not disclosed) it failed to set off the main bomb. Had
the latter gone off, the effects would have been far worse.
Obviously I don't know why the main bomb didn't go off, and will refrain
from speculating.
Demonstrating that getting detonators to fire main charges is harder than
people think, fortunately for a lot of Londoners yesterday.
And seriously changing the meaning of the word "viable".

cont'd: Let's decimate some tragic gay commuters.
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