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West Hampstead SQ -- ideal for transpotters
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Recliner
2016-12-22 13:26:42 UTC
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People who use the Chiltern, LU or LO lines through West Hampstead
have probably noticed a thicket of new buildings rising in the thin
triangular sliver of land between the LU and LO tracks. The only
entrance to the narrow site is on West End Lane, between the LU and LO
station entrances.

The Bing views haven't been updated, which lets us see what the site
looked like before the redevelopment; it looks it was a garage and
some van parking:
https://binged.it/2ij5NOV

Google is more up to date, and shows the construction underway:
https://goo.gl/maps/eV5UiSkgQ1A2

And here are my pictures from this morning:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157674337762883

The development will have four retailers on the little square facing
West End Lane and six office units, but the other seven buildings
crammed in behind are all flats, 198 of them.

Reflecting the unmentioned adjacent railway lines, "the windows will
be triple gazed with specialist anti-vibration plates on the
foundation of the buildings. These are new and specialist building
techniques that will ensure minimal noise when the doors and windows
are closed. All flats will have comfort cooling which can be adjusted
above and below the ambient temperature".

From:
http://www.paramount-properties.co.uk/blog/article/west-hampstead-square-faq

This is what the developer has to say:
http://www.westhampsteadsquare.com/about

Note the absence of any mention of the railway lines that enclose the
narrow, triangular site. It sounds positively bucolic!

For anyone who's tempted, prices range from about half a million for a
studio flat, to two million quid for a three bedroom unit.
d***@yahoo.co.uk
2016-12-22 14:59:49 UTC
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 13:26:42 +0000, Recliner
Post by Recliner
People who use the Chiltern, LU or LO lines through West Hampstead
have probably noticed a thicket of new buildings rising in the thin
triangular sliver of land between the LU and LO tracks.
https://goo.gl/maps/eV5UiSkgQ1A2
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157674337762883
Reflecting the unmentioned adjacent railway lines, "the windows will
be triple gazed with specialist anti-vibration plates on the
foundation of the buildings. These are new and specialist building
techniques that will ensure minimal noise when the doors and windows
are closed. All flats will have comfort cooling which can be adjusted
above and below the ambient temperature".
http://www.paramount-properties.co.uk/blog/article/west-hampstead-square-faq
http://www.westhampsteadsquare.com/about
Note the absence of any mention of the railway lines that enclose the
narrow, triangular site. It sounds positively bucolic!
I suppose you have to do your own research after reading the line

"The design is inspired by the linear patterns of the rail lines at
West Hampstead stations ".

I suspect they have sold as fast as they can build them to people who
don't have the need to keep a car themselves nearby and the proximity
of the stations will be advantageous to those who like the public
transport network that London offers that means people don't have to.

Intrigued by this line

"But this typically English corner of London " , is this a veiled
admission than some parts of London have become so overwhelmed by
incomers that they no longer look part of an English City or even a
thinly disguised "Foreigners, we can't stop you but we would rather
you didn't consider moving here."


G.Harman
Richard J.
2016-12-22 16:26:37 UTC
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Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 13:26:42 +0000, Recliner
Post by Recliner
People who use the Chiltern, LU or LO lines through West Hampstead
have probably noticed a thicket of new buildings rising in the thin
triangular sliver of land between the LU and LO tracks.
https://goo.gl/maps/eV5UiSkgQ1A2
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157674337762883
Reflecting the unmentioned adjacent railway lines, "the windows will
be triple gazed with specialist anti-vibration plates on the
foundation of the buildings. These are new and specialist building
techniques that will ensure minimal noise when the doors and windows
are closed. All flats will have comfort cooling which can be adjusted
above and below the ambient temperature".
http://www.paramount-properties.co.uk/blog/article/west-hampstead-square-faq
http://www.westhampsteadsquare.com/about
Note the absence of any mention of the railway lines that enclose the
narrow, triangular site. It sounds positively bucolic!
I suppose you have to do your own research after reading the line
"The design is inspired by the linear patterns of the rail lines at
West Hampstead stations ".
For 'inspired' read 'constrained'. Why on earth name such a linear
development as a Square?
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Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)
Recliner
2016-12-22 16:43:41 UTC
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 13:26:42 +0000, Recliner
Post by Recliner
People who use the Chiltern, LU or LO lines through West Hampstead
have probably noticed a thicket of new buildings rising in the thin
triangular sliver of land between the LU and LO tracks.
https://goo.gl/maps/eV5UiSkgQ1A2
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157674337762883
Reflecting the unmentioned adjacent railway lines, "the windows will
be triple gazed with specialist anti-vibration plates on the
foundation of the buildings. These are new and specialist building
techniques that will ensure minimal noise when the doors and windows
are closed. All flats will have comfort cooling which can be adjusted
above and below the ambient temperature".
http://www.paramount-properties.co.uk/blog/article/west-hampstead-square-faq
http://www.westhampsteadsquare.com/about
Note the absence of any mention of the railway lines that enclose the
narrow, triangular site. It sounds positively bucolic!
I suppose you have to do your own research after reading the line
"The design is inspired by the linear patterns of the rail lines at
West Hampstead stations ".
For 'inspired' read 'constrained'.
Yes, that would be the English translation from Estate Agentese.
Post by Richard J.
Why on earth name such a linear
development as a Square?
I suppose it sounds better than West Hampstead Strip/Sliver/Thorn?

There will be a little square at the base of the triangle, at the entrance
to the long, thin site. As far as I can tell, it will be the only open
space in the site. The apartment blocks beyond it are built in close
proximity to each other, so they're bound to be overlooked by the flats in
the next domino.

Although the entrance is very close to the three stations, it will actually
be a bit of a hike to the last block, built at the apex of the long, thin
triangle, close to where the six LU and Chiltern tracks cross over the NLL.
Recliner
2016-12-24 13:44:28 UTC
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 16:26:37 +0000, "Richard J."
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 13:26:42 +0000, Recliner
Post by Recliner
People who use the Chiltern, LU or LO lines through West Hampstead
have probably noticed a thicket of new buildings rising in the thin
triangular sliver of land between the LU and LO tracks.
https://goo.gl/maps/eV5UiSkgQ1A2
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157674337762883
Reflecting the unmentioned adjacent railway lines, "the windows will
be triple gazed with specialist anti-vibration plates on the
foundation of the buildings. These are new and specialist building
techniques that will ensure minimal noise when the doors and windows
are closed. All flats will have comfort cooling which can be adjusted
above and below the ambient temperature".
http://www.paramount-properties.co.uk/blog/article/west-hampstead-square-faq
http://www.westhampsteadsquare.com/about
Note the absence of any mention of the railway lines that enclose the
narrow, triangular site. It sounds positively bucolic!
I suppose you have to do your own research after reading the line
"The design is inspired by the linear patterns of the rail lines at
West Hampstead stations ".
For 'inspired' read 'constrained'. Why on earth name such a linear
development as a Square?
I've been back, and taken some more pics that I should have got on the
first visit. They include pictures of the dinky little eponymous
'square' itself. I think most people would just call it a forecourt:

<https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/31694573522/in/album-72157674337762883/lightbox/>

One other thing hit me: the blocks are right next to the LO station
westbound platform, so station announcements will be made right
outside their apartment windows. That's bound to be popular!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/31468999390/in/album-72157674337762883/

I also noticed for the first time how the interchange is shown on the
line diagrams in the trains:

LU:
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/31841801865/in/album-72157674337762883/lightbox/>

LO:
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/31694572852/in/album-72157674337762883/lightbox/>
e27002 aurora
2016-12-23 10:29:37 UTC
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 13:26:42 +0000, Recliner
Post by Recliner
People who use the Chiltern, LU or LO lines through West Hampstead
have probably noticed a thicket of new buildings rising in the thin
triangular sliver of land between the LU and LO tracks.
https://goo.gl/maps/eV5UiSkgQ1A2
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157674337762883
Reflecting the unmentioned adjacent railway lines, "the windows will
be triple gazed with specialist anti-vibration plates on the
foundation of the buildings. These are new and specialist building
techniques that will ensure minimal noise when the doors and windows
are closed. All flats will have comfort cooling which can be adjusted
above and below the ambient temperature".
http://www.paramount-properties.co.uk/blog/article/west-hampstead-square-faq
http://www.westhampsteadsquare.com/about
Note the absence of any mention of the railway lines that enclose the
narrow, triangular site. It sounds positively bucolic!
I suppose you have to do your own research after reading the line
"The design is inspired by the linear patterns of the rail lines at
West Hampstead stations ".
I suspect they have sold as fast as they can build them to people who
don't have the need to keep a car themselves nearby and the proximity
of the stations will be advantageous to those who like the public
transport network that London offers that means people don't have to.
Intrigued by this line
"But this typically English corner of London " , is this a veiled
admission than some parts of London have become so overwhelmed by
incomers that they no longer look part of an English City or even a
thinly disguised "Foreigners, we can't stop you but we would rather
you didn't consider moving here."
IMHO it would have been better to have moved the Jubilee Line
platforms to the west of West End Lane and added Chiltern platforms.
Then the new development could, and should, have incorporated the
entrance to a new interchange station.

London's county "mayor" has time to make threats to a foreign
president elect, but precious little to bother with local affairs of
value.
Richard J.
2016-12-23 10:40:10 UTC
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 13:26:42 +0000, Recliner
Post by Recliner
People who use the Chiltern, LU or LO lines through West Hampstead
have probably noticed a thicket of new buildings rising in the thin
triangular sliver of land between the LU and LO tracks.
https://goo.gl/maps/eV5UiSkgQ1A2
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157674337762883
Reflecting the unmentioned adjacent railway lines, "the windows will
be triple gazed with specialist anti-vibration plates on the
foundation of the buildings. These are new and specialist building
techniques that will ensure minimal noise when the doors and windows
are closed. All flats will have comfort cooling which can be adjusted
above and below the ambient temperature".
http://www.paramount-properties.co.uk/blog/article/west-hampstead-square-faq
http://www.westhampsteadsquare.com/about
Note the absence of any mention of the railway lines that enclose the
narrow, triangular site. It sounds positively bucolic!
I suppose you have to do your own research after reading the line
"The design is inspired by the linear patterns of the rail lines at
West Hampstead stations ".
I suspect they have sold as fast as they can build them to people who
don't have the need to keep a car themselves nearby and the proximity
of the stations will be advantageous to those who like the public
transport network that London offers that means people don't have to.
Intrigued by this line
"But this typically English corner of London " , is this a veiled
admission than some parts of London have become so overwhelmed by
incomers that they no longer look part of an English City or even a
thinly disguised "Foreigners, we can't stop you but we would rather
you didn't consider moving here."
IMHO it would have been better to have moved the Jubilee Line
platforms to the west of West End Lane and added Chiltern platforms.
Then the new development could, and should, have incorporated the
entrance to a new interchange station.
London's county "mayor" has time to make threats to a foreign
president elect, but precious little to bother with local affairs of
value.
You can hardly blame Sadiq Khan (elected May 2016) for not blocking a
development that has been under way for more than two years.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)
Graeme Wall
2016-12-23 10:53:48 UTC
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 13:26:42 +0000, Recliner
Post by Recliner
People who use the Chiltern, LU or LO lines through West Hampstead
have probably noticed a thicket of new buildings rising in the thin
triangular sliver of land between the LU and LO tracks.
https://goo.gl/maps/eV5UiSkgQ1A2
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157674337762883
Reflecting the unmentioned adjacent railway lines, "the windows will
be triple gazed with specialist anti-vibration plates on the
foundation of the buildings. These are new and specialist building
techniques that will ensure minimal noise when the doors and windows
are closed. All flats will have comfort cooling which can be adjusted
above and below the ambient temperature".
http://www.paramount-properties.co.uk/blog/article/west-hampstead-square-faq
http://www.westhampsteadsquare.com/about
Note the absence of any mention of the railway lines that enclose the
narrow, triangular site. It sounds positively bucolic!
I suppose you have to do your own research after reading the line
"The design is inspired by the linear patterns of the rail lines at
West Hampstead stations ".
I suspect they have sold as fast as they can build them to people who
don't have the need to keep a car themselves nearby and the proximity
of the stations will be advantageous to those who like the public
transport network that London offers that means people don't have to.
Intrigued by this line
"But this typically English corner of London " , is this a veiled
admission than some parts of London have become so overwhelmed by
incomers that they no longer look part of an English City or even a
thinly disguised "Foreigners, we can't stop you but we would rather
you didn't consider moving here."
IMHO it would have been better to have moved the Jubilee Line
platforms to the west of West End Lane and added Chiltern platforms.
Then the new development could, and should, have incorporated the
entrance to a new interchange station.
London's county "mayor" has time to make threats to a foreign
president elect, but precious little to bother with local affairs of
value.
You can hardly blame Sadiq Khan (elected May 2016) for not blocking a
development that has been under way for more than two years.
I thought he was referring to Boris.
--
Graeme Wall
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Recliner
2016-12-23 12:22:35 UTC
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 10:53:48 +0000, Graeme Wall
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 13:26:42 +0000, Recliner
Post by Recliner
People who use the Chiltern, LU or LO lines through West Hampstead
have probably noticed a thicket of new buildings rising in the thin
triangular sliver of land between the LU and LO tracks.
https://goo.gl/maps/eV5UiSkgQ1A2
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157674337762883
Reflecting the unmentioned adjacent railway lines, "the windows will
be triple gazed with specialist anti-vibration plates on the
foundation of the buildings. These are new and specialist building
techniques that will ensure minimal noise when the doors and windows
are closed. All flats will have comfort cooling which can be adjusted
above and below the ambient temperature".
http://www.paramount-properties.co.uk/blog/article/west-hampstead-square-faq
http://www.westhampsteadsquare.com/about
Note the absence of any mention of the railway lines that enclose the
narrow, triangular site. It sounds positively bucolic!
I suppose you have to do your own research after reading the line
"The design is inspired by the linear patterns of the rail lines at
West Hampstead stations ".
I suspect they have sold as fast as they can build them to people who
don't have the need to keep a car themselves nearby and the proximity
of the stations will be advantageous to those who like the public
transport network that London offers that means people don't have to.
Intrigued by this line
"But this typically English corner of London " , is this a veiled
admission than some parts of London have become so overwhelmed by
incomers that they no longer look part of an English City or even a
thinly disguised "Foreigners, we can't stop you but we would rather
you didn't consider moving here."
IMHO it would have been better to have moved the Jubilee Line
platforms to the west of West End Lane and added Chiltern platforms.
Then the new development could, and should, have incorporated the
entrance to a new interchange station.
London's county "mayor" has time to make threats to a foreign
president elect, but precious little to bother with local affairs of
value.
You can hardly blame Sadiq Khan (elected May 2016) for not blocking a
development that has been under way for more than two years.
I thought he was referring to Boris.
I doubt it, as how could Boris have made threats to a non-existent
president-elect back in April?
Recliner
2016-12-23 12:26:34 UTC
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 10:40:10 +0000, "Richard J."
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 13:26:42 +0000, Recliner
Post by Recliner
People who use the Chiltern, LU or LO lines through West Hampstead
have probably noticed a thicket of new buildings rising in the thin
triangular sliver of land between the LU and LO tracks.
https://goo.gl/maps/eV5UiSkgQ1A2
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157674337762883
Reflecting the unmentioned adjacent railway lines, "the windows will
be triple gazed with specialist anti-vibration plates on the
foundation of the buildings. These are new and specialist building
techniques that will ensure minimal noise when the doors and windows
are closed. All flats will have comfort cooling which can be adjusted
above and below the ambient temperature".
http://www.paramount-properties.co.uk/blog/article/west-hampstead-square-faq
http://www.westhampsteadsquare.com/about
Note the absence of any mention of the railway lines that enclose the
narrow, triangular site. It sounds positively bucolic!
I suppose you have to do your own research after reading the line
"The design is inspired by the linear patterns of the rail lines at
West Hampstead stations ".
I suspect they have sold as fast as they can build them to people who
don't have the need to keep a car themselves nearby and the proximity
of the stations will be advantageous to those who like the public
transport network that London offers that means people don't have to.
Intrigued by this line
"But this typically English corner of London " , is this a veiled
admission than some parts of London have become so overwhelmed by
incomers that they no longer look part of an English City or even a
thinly disguised "Foreigners, we can't stop you but we would rather
you didn't consider moving here."
IMHO it would have been better to have moved the Jubilee Line
platforms to the west of West End Lane and added Chiltern platforms.
Then the new development could, and should, have incorporated the
entrance to a new interchange station.
London's county "mayor" has time to make threats to a foreign
president elect, but precious little to bother with local affairs of
value.
You can hardly blame Sadiq Khan (elected May 2016) for not blocking a
development that has been under way for more than two years.
That's certainly true, but in any case, I can't see why a sane London
mayor would want to slow down, and reduce the capacity, of the
Chiltern line. Doing so would hurt every Chiltern line passenger,
while attracting very few new passengers. The TOC's finances would
also be damaged.

Even if we had a mayor bonkers enough to want to do so, Chiltern and
the DfT certainly wouldn't agree to the plan. And who would fund an
expensive project that has no benefits?
Basil Jet
2016-12-23 21:02:56 UTC
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And who would fund an expensive project that has no benefits?
The Labour Party?
Recliner
2016-12-23 21:27:45 UTC
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And who would fund an expensive project that has no benefits?
The Labour Party?
Well, with OPM (other people's money). Though I don't think even the
Labour party has been demanding that Chiltern Line trains stop at West
Hampstead. That idea has been bouncing around for decades, but I don't
think there's anyone loudly campaigning for it.
e27002 aurora
2016-12-23 13:11:41 UTC
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 10:40:10 +0000, "Richard J."
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 13:26:42 +0000, Recliner
Post by Recliner
People who use the Chiltern, LU or LO lines through West Hampstead
have probably noticed a thicket of new buildings rising in the thin
triangular sliver of land between the LU and LO tracks.
https://goo.gl/maps/eV5UiSkgQ1A2
https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157674337762883
Reflecting the unmentioned adjacent railway lines, "the windows will
be triple gazed with specialist anti-vibration plates on the
foundation of the buildings. These are new and specialist building
techniques that will ensure minimal noise when the doors and windows
are closed. All flats will have comfort cooling which can be adjusted
above and below the ambient temperature".
http://www.paramount-properties.co.uk/blog/article/west-hampstead-square-faq
http://www.westhampsteadsquare.com/about
Note the absence of any mention of the railway lines that enclose the
narrow, triangular site. It sounds positively bucolic!
I suppose you have to do your own research after reading the line
"The design is inspired by the linear patterns of the rail lines at
West Hampstead stations ".
I suspect they have sold as fast as they can build them to people who
don't have the need to keep a car themselves nearby and the proximity
of the stations will be advantageous to those who like the public
transport network that London offers that means people don't have to.
Intrigued by this line
"But this typically English corner of London " , is this a veiled
admission than some parts of London have become so overwhelmed by
incomers that they no longer look part of an English City or even a
thinly disguised "Foreigners, we can't stop you but we would rather
you didn't consider moving here."
IMHO it would have been better to have moved the Jubilee Line
platforms to the west of West End Lane and added Chiltern platforms.
Then the new development could, and should, have incorporated the
entrance to a new interchange station.
London's county "mayor" has time to make threats to a foreign
president elect, but precious little to bother with local affairs of
value.
You can hardly blame Sadiq Khan (elected May 2016) for not blocking a
development that has been under way for more than two years.
I can blame the office. It should never have been created in the
first place. The whole London structure is anti-competitive, and
designed for petty people with political ambitions.
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