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Tube train with oval winows at front.
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d***@yahoo.co.uk
2017-10-09 14:24:18 UTC
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When I was quite young the F stock was still around with its oval
windows though by then it was on the East london Lines.
Then one day I saw a tube car in sidings at Acton that had similar
windows and I think it was in a sort of brown livery but could be
wrong on that.
Over the years I have looked to see what this may have been to no
avail then yesterday while looking for something else came across this
photo.
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Looks very close to what I rember seeing and at least I now know I
wasn't imagining things
Anyone know the history of this unit?
The shape and door position suggest one of the pre stock builds of the
early 20's but were any built with oval cab windows or was this front
a bitza, possibly after collision damage and former F stock windows
have been grafted on in a one off repair.


G.Harman
Graeme Wall
2017-10-09 15:07:05 UTC
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When I was quite young the F stock was still around with its oval
windows though by then it was on the East london Lines.
Then one day I saw a tube car in sidings at Acton that had similar
windows and I think it was in a sort of brown livery but could be
wrong on that.
Over the years I have looked to see what this may have been to no
avail then yesterday while looking for something else came across this
photo.
http://www.rcts.org.uk/photographs/archive/380/RH/RH01813.jpg
Looks very close to what I rember seeing and at least I now know I
wasn't imagining things
Anyone know the history of this unit?
The shape and door position suggest one of the pre stock builds of the
early 20's but were any built with oval cab windows or was this front
a bitza, possibly after collision damage and former F stock windows
have been grafted on in a one off repair.
It is 1920 Standard stock built by Cammell-Laird. The first tube stock
with pneumatic doors. They were the only tube stock to have elliptical
windows. Originally deployed on the Bakerloo, they were later
transferred to the Piccadilly.
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d***@yahoo.co.uk
2017-10-09 16:51:06 UTC
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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 16:07:05 +0100, Graeme Wall
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The shape and door position suggest one of the pre stock builds of the
early 20's but were any built with oval cab windows or was this front
a bitza, possibly after collision damage and former F stock windows
have been grafted on in a one off repair.
It is 1920 Standard stock built by Cammell-Laird. The first tube stock
with pneumatic doors. They were the only tube stock to have elliptical
windows. Originally deployed on the Bakerloo, they were later
transferred to the Piccadilly.
Thanks, found a couple more pics around which shows I wasn't wrong
about the brown(ish) livery either.
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I only ever saw it the once at Acton roughly where the LT museum Depot
is now.

Unusual, I thought service stock was maroon , was it he same brown
perhaps that the ends of metropolitan hauled stock was before loco
hauled operation ceased with the electrification and cut back of LT
services to Amersham.

G.Harman
Graeme Wall
2017-10-09 17:26:17 UTC
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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 16:07:05 +0100, Graeme Wall
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The shape and door position suggest one of the pre stock builds of the
early 20's but were any built with oval cab windows or was this front
a bitza, possibly after collision damage and former F stock windows
have been grafted on in a one off repair.
It is 1920 Standard stock built by Cammell-Laird. The first tube stock
with pneumatic doors. They were the only tube stock to have elliptical
windows. Originally deployed on the Bakerloo, they were later
transferred to the Piccadilly.
Thanks, found a couple more pics around which shows I wasn't wrong
about the brown(ish) livery either.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/510/31883711403_ccfaf65393.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6129/5927788650_557e0cc732_b.jpg
I only ever saw it the once at Acton roughly where the LT museum Depot
is now.
Unusual, I thought service stock was maroon , was it he same brown
perhaps that the ends of metropolitan hauled stock was before loco
hauled operation ceased with the electrification and cut back of LT
services to Amersham.
Before my time, by the time I started going to school in Amersham the A
stock had arrived.
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Bryan Morris
2017-10-09 17:48:11 UTC
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Before my time, by the time I started going to school in Amersham the A
stock had arrived.
Oval windows galore

<https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=F+Stock+London+Underground&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ve
d=0ahUKEwin-OmljOTWAhVpBcAKHZxqCM0Q_AUIDCgD&biw=1366&bih=583>
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Graeme Wall
2017-10-09 17:57:12 UTC
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Before my time, by the time I started going to school in Amersham the
A stock had arrived.
Oval windows galore
<https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=F+Stock+London+Underground&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ve
d=0ahUKEwin-OmljOTWAhVpBcAKHZxqCM0Q_AUIDCgD&biw=1366&bih=583>
All F stock rather than tube stock. There's even a class 37 in there!
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d***@yahoo.co.uk
2017-10-09 17:59:48 UTC
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Post by Graeme Wall
Before my time, by the time I started going to school in Amersham the A
stock had arrived.
Oval windows galore
<https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=F+Stock+London+Underground&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ve
d=0ahUKEwin-OmljOTWAhVpBcAKHZxqCM0Q_AUIDCgD&biw=1366&bih=583>
Yes , mainly F stock which I mentioned in my original post ,that was
sub surface stock not tube though the distinction seems to be less
nowdays .

G.Harman
Charles Ellson
2017-10-10 02:12:03 UTC
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Post by Bryan Morris
Post by Graeme Wall
Before my time, by the time I started going to school in Amersham the A
stock had arrived.
Oval windows galore
<https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=F+Stock+London+Underground&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ve
d=0ahUKEwin-OmljOTWAhVpBcAKHZxqCM0Q_AUIDCgD&biw=1366&bih=583>
Yes , mainly F stock which I mentioned in my original post ,that was
sub surface stock not tube though the distinction seems to be less
nowdays .
Until you take it down the wrong route. :-(

Charles Ellson
2017-10-10 02:11:03 UTC
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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 16:07:05 +0100, Graeme Wall
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The shape and door position suggest one of the pre stock builds of the
early 20's but were any built with oval cab windows or was this front
a bitza, possibly after collision damage and former F stock windows
have been grafted on in a one off repair.
It is 1920 Standard stock built by Cammell-Laird. The first tube stock
with pneumatic doors. They were the only tube stock to have elliptical
windows. Originally deployed on the Bakerloo, they were later
transferred to the Piccadilly.
Thanks, found a couple more pics around which shows I wasn't wrong
about the brown(ish) livery either.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/510/31883711403_ccfaf65393.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6129/5927788650_557e0cc732_b.jpg
I only ever saw it the once at Acton roughly where the LT museum Depot
is now.
Unusual, I thought service stock was maroon
"Crimson Lake" IIRC but I doubt if much of it ever got washed between
major overhauls.
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was it he same brown
perhaps that the ends of metropolitan hauled stock was before loco
hauled operation ceased with the electrification and cut back of LT
services to Amersham.
G.Harman
Peter Able
2017-10-09 18:14:48 UTC
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Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
When I was quite young the F stock was still around with its oval
windows though by then it was on the East london Lines.
Then one day I saw a tube car in sidings at Acton that had similar
windows and I think it was in a sort of brown livery but could be
wrong on that.
Over the years I have looked to see what this may have been to no
avail then yesterday while looking for something else came across this
photo.
http://www.rcts.org.uk/photographs/archive/380/RH/RH01813.jpg
Looks very close to what I rember seeing and at least I now know I
wasn't imagining things
Anyone know the history of this unit?
It was a mobile classroom. According to my 1963 Ian Allan it was "Training
School Train", cars IC1075 to IC1079 inc. Formed 1948.

It was scrapped late in the 1960s, I believe.

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Peter Able
2017-10-09 18:24:48 UTC
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INSTRUCTION TRAIN

IC 1075-9 In 1949 London Transport converted five tube trailer
cars of 1919 vintage into an Instruction Train for the
staff of the Chief Mechanical Engineer (Railways).
Four of the cars contain demonstration equipment
which includes traction control equipments, automatic
wedglock coupler, various types of brake equip-
ment, shoe gauging equipment, tripcock gauging
equipment and air-worked doors complete with engines
(mounted inside the car and not as part of the car).
The fifth car, ICl076, is fitted out as a lecture room
with epidiascope and also contains a small office.
The five cars are part of a batch of forty trailer cars
built by Cammell Laird for the Bakerloo Line, which
were the first new cars to be built with air-worked
doors. Two distinctive features about the cars are
their "bulging" sides and the oval windows in the car
ends similar to those in the "F" stock.

Again, courtesy Ian Allan.

As part of LT's Service Stock, yor recollection of the colour is spot-on.

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2017-10-09 22:31:48 UTC
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When I was quite young the F stock was still around with its oval
windows though by then it was on the East london Lines.
Then one day I saw a tube car in sidings at Acton that had similar
windows and I think it was in a sort of brown livery but could be
wrong on that.
Over the years I have looked to see what this may have been to no
avail then yesterday while looking for something else came across this
photo.
http://www.rcts.org.uk/photographs/archive/380/RH/RH01813.jpg
Looks very close to what I rember seeing and at least I now know I
wasn't imagining things
Anyone know the history of this unit?
The shape and door position suggest one of the pre stock builds of the
early 20's but were any built with oval cab windows or was this front
a bitza, possibly after collision damage and former F stock windows
have been grafted on in a one off repair.
The ex-Bakerloo 1920 stock converted to a training train.
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