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Ex-postie reviews Mail Rail
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Recliner
2017-09-03 12:34:33 UTC
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Alan Johnson on London's latest railway tourist attraction:

<https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/squeeze-in-and-the-london-postal-museum-mail-rail-will-deliver-you-to-a-lost-world-lvvzlmr3d?shareToken=6d140e276fa1eb76fc82d64640584d9b>

Obviously he got this bit wrong ("Back in the railway’s heyday,
battery-powered locomotives pulled cartloads of mail back and forth for 22
hours a day"), as the old mail trains weren't battery-operated.
Guy Gorton
2017-09-03 16:33:43 UTC
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On Sun, 3 Sep 2017 12:34:33 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
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<https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/squeeze-in-and-the-london-postal-museum-mail-rail-will-deliver-you-to-a-lost-world-lvvzlmr3d?shareToken=6d140e276fa1eb76fc82d64640584d9b>
Obviously he got this bit wrong ("Back in the railway’s heyday,
battery-powered locomotives pulled cartloads of mail back and forth for 22
hours a day"), as the old mail trains weren't battery-operated.
"Mail Rail is opening to the public for the first time" is not quite
true either. I was one of many people who visited it some years
although we could not ride the trains. Was it soon after it ceased to
be used for the mail? Can't remember.

Guy Gorton
Guy Gorton
2017-09-03 16:35:29 UTC
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On Sun, 03 Sep 2017 17:33:43 +0100, Guy Gorton
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On Sun, 3 Sep 2017 12:34:33 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
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<https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/squeeze-in-and-the-london-postal-museum-mail-rail-will-deliver-you-to-a-lost-world-lvvzlmr3d?shareToken=6d140e276fa1eb76fc82d64640584d9b>
Obviously he got this bit wrong ("Back in the railway’s heyday,
battery-powered locomotives pulled cartloads of mail back and forth for 22
hours a day"), as the old mail trains weren't battery-operated.
"Mail Rail is opening to the public for the first time" is not quite
true either. I was one of many people who visited it some years
although we could not ride the trains. Was it soon after it ceased to
be used for the mail? Can't remember.
Guy Gorton
'some years ago although' - sorry about the typo.

Guy Gorton
Recliner
2017-09-04 00:24:59 UTC
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On Sun, 3 Sep 2017 12:34:33 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
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<https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/squeeze-in-and-the-london-postal-museum-mail-rail-will-deliver-you-to-a-lost-world-lvvzlmr3d?shareToken=6d140e276fa1eb76fc82d64640584d9b>
Obviously he got this bit wrong ("Back in the railway’s heyday,
battery-powered locomotives pulled cartloads of mail back and forth for 22
hours a day"), as the old mail trains weren't battery-operated.
"Mail Rail is opening to the public for the first time" is not quite
true either. I was one of many people who visited it some years
although we could not ride the trains. Was it soon after it ceased to
be used for the mail? Can't remember.
I visited it nearly 40 years ago when it was very much in use. We certainly
couldn't ride the trains, and the visit
had to be specially organised by the society of which I was a member;
ordinary members of the public certainly couldn't get access.
Basil Jet
2017-09-04 15:18:56 UTC
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Post by Guy Gorton
"Mail Rail is opening to the public for the first time" is not quite
true either. I was one of many people who visited it some years
although we could not ride the trains. Was it soon after it ceased to
be used for the mail? Can't remember.
It's normal to say a railway becomes "open to the public" not when the
public can look at the trains but when they can ride on them. The
Barking Riverside extension will certainly not be described as "open to
the public" during the shadow running period, when the trains will be
visible for all to see.
Recliner
2017-09-04 23:55:02 UTC
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Post by Guy Gorton
"Mail Rail is opening to the public for the first time" is not quite
true either. I was one of many people who visited it some years
although we could not ride the trains. Was it soon after it ceased to
be used for the mail? Can't remember.
It's normal to say a railway becomes "open to the public" not when the
public can look at the trains but when they can ride on them. The
Barking Riverside extension will certainly not be described as "open to
the public" during the shadow running period, when the trains will be
visible for all to see.
True, and the same was true of the test running of the 345 units.

But Mail Rail has never been visible to members of the general public — you
couldn't just book a visit to watch the trains running. I think only a
minority of us here ever visited it when it was operational, and we'd be
just the sort of people who would have visited it if it had been easy.
Clive D.W. Feather
2017-09-05 06:09:53 UTC
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Post by Guy Gorton
"Mail Rail is opening to the public for the first time" is not quite
true either. I was one of many people who visited it some years
although we could not ride the trains. Was it soon after it ceased to
be used for the mail? Can't remember.
If you were on the visit I was, the trains were still running. It was
the last day of service for both Aldwych and Ongar (I was on the last
train from the latter).
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Clive D.W. Feather
h***@yahoo.co.uk
2017-09-04 00:12:50 UTC
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Post by Recliner
<https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/squeeze-in-and-the-london-postal-museum-mail-rail-will-deliver-you-to-a-lost-world-lvvzlmr3d?shareToken=6d140e276fa1eb76fc82d64640584d9b>
Obviously he got this bit wrong ("Back in the railway’s heyday,
battery-powered locomotives pulled cartloads of mail back and forth for 22
hours a day"), as the old mail trains weren't battery-operated.
This article seems to indicates that Mail Rail was a secret, at least at
one point in the past.

Was this actually the case?
Recliner
2017-09-04 01:31:30 UTC
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Post by Recliner
<https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/squeeze-in-and-the-london-postal-museum-mail-rail-will-deliver-you-to-a-lost-world-lvvzlmr3d?shareToken=6d140e276fa1eb76fc82d64640584d9b>
Obviously he got this bit wrong ("Back in the railway’s heyday,
battery-powered locomotives pulled cartloads of mail back and forth for 22
hours a day"), as the old mail trains weren't battery-operated.
This article seems to indicates that Mail Rail was a secret, at least at
one point in the past.
Was this actually the case?
I don't know that it was actually a secret, but it certainly wasn't
publicised, and of course it was invisible to the public, unlike mail
trains on the BR network or Royal Mail road vehicles.
Peter Able
2017-09-07 12:00:13 UTC
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Post by Recliner
<https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/squeeze-in-and-the-london-postal-museum-mail-rail-will-deliver-you-to-a-lost-world-lvvzlmr3d?shareToken=6d140e276fa1eb76fc82d64640584d9b>
Obviously he got this bit wrong ("Back in the railway's heyday,
battery-powered locomotives pulled cartloads of mail back and forth for 22
hours a day"), as the old mail trains weren't battery-operated.
This article seems to indicates that Mail Rail was a secret, at least at
one point in the past.
Was this actually the case?
I don't know that it was actually a secret, but it certainly wasn't
publicised, and of course it was invisible to the public, unlike mail
trains on the BR network or Royal Mail road vehicles.
It was publicised in several public information films.
Basil Jet
2017-09-08 02:11:08 UTC
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Post by Peter Able
It was publicised in several public information films.
It also played the role of the Vatican railway in the Bruce Willis film
"Hudson Hawk". I can't find the bit in question, but this is great,
despite having no rail content.


Roland Perry
2017-09-04 07:26:02 UTC
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This article seems to indicates that Mail Rail was a secret, at least
at one point in the past.
Was this actually the case?
"Secret" means the journalist hadn't heard of it before.
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Roland Perry
Charles Ellson
2017-09-04 18:13:12 UTC
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This article seems to indicates that Mail Rail was a secret, at least
at one point in the past.
Was this actually the case?
"Secret" means the journalist hadn't heard of it before.
Or they are accusing someone else of hiding something that has long
been public knowledge on the basis that the information has to be
requested.
Scott
2017-09-08 10:33:46 UTC
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On Sun, 3 Sep 2017 12:34:33 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
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All trips cancelled Wednesday due to a technical issue. According to
the commentary, when bombs hit during the blitz the system was up and
running the next day yet in 2017 it takes more than a day to fix an
issue with a museum train.
Graeme Wall
2017-09-08 11:27:17 UTC
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Post by Guy Gorton
On Sun, 3 Sep 2017 12:34:33 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
[snip]
All trips cancelled Wednesday due to a technical issue. According to
the commentary, when bombs hit during the blitz the system was up and
running the next day yet in 2017 it takes more than a day to fix an
issue with a museum train.
Wartime mail was more important to keep moving than peacetime tourists.
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Graeme Wall
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