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Bus Timetables
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Bill Borland
2018-01-30 19:45:32 UTC
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I used to be able to download timetables exactly as they appear in the
case on the bus stop pole - the times for a week summarised in a format
such that the whole thing would fit on one side of an A4 page and could
conveniently be folded and carried. Is this still possible? All I can
find on the tfl website is "journey planners" and a list down one edge
of the page giving all the times for one day only, which would probably
need two or three pages to print, most of which would be white space.

I don't want my journey planned for me; I want to see all that is
available, and make up my own mind.
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Roland Perry
2018-01-30 20:32:58 UTC
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I don't want my journey planned for me; I want to see all that is
available, and make up my own mind.
That ship sailed long ago for almost all public transport.

Airlines were the first to make timetables virtually unobtainable (maybe
25 years ago), rather than asking you when you might want to travel, and
then suggesting some flights they'd prefer you took.
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Roland Perry
tim...
2018-01-30 20:41:38 UTC
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Post by Bill Borland
I don't want my journey planned for me; I want to see all that is
available, and make up my own mind.
That ship sailed long ago for almost all public transport.
Unfortunately :-(
Post by Roland Perry
Airlines were the first to make timetables virtually unobtainable (maybe
25 years ago), rather than asking you when you might want to travel, and
then suggesting some flights they'd prefer you took.
for 2 services a day that not entirely unreasonable

for 300 services a day

it is

IMHO

tim
Recliner
2018-01-30 20:47:22 UTC
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Post by Bill Borland
I don't want my journey planned for me; I want to see all that is
available, and make up my own mind.
That ship sailed long ago for almost all public transport.
But not for London buses:
http://www.londonbusroutes.net/routes.htm
Post by Roland Perry
Airlines were the first to make timetables virtually unobtainable (maybe
25 years ago), rather than asking you when you might want to travel, and
then suggesting some flights they'd prefer you took.
Michael R N Dolbear
2018-01-30 22:51:42 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
Post by Bill Borland
I don't want my journey planned for me; I want to see all that is
available, and make up my own mind.
That ship sailed long ago for almost all public transport.
.> But not for London buses:
.> http://www.londonbusroutes.net/routes.htm

And check the relevant council's web site

https://www.surreycc.gov.uk/roads-and-transport/buses-and-other-transport/bus-timetables
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Roland Perry
2018-01-31 07:03:30 UTC
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I don't want my journey planned for me; I want to see all that is
available, and make up my own mind.
That ship sailed long ago for almost all public transport.
.> http://www.londonbusroutes.net/routes.htm
And check the relevant council's web site
https://www.surreycc.gov.uk/roads-and-transport/buses-and-other-transpor
t/bus-timetables
Those sorts of local-authority published timetables can be somewhat
patchy. The Surrey one looks much better than average. I wonder when the
County last published a timetable booklet?
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Roland Perry
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2018-01-31 09:51:06 UTC
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Post by Bill Borland
I don't want my journey planned for me; I want to see all that is
available, and make up my own mind.
That ship sailed long ago for almost all public transport.
.> http://www.londonbusroutes.net/routes.htm
And check the relevant council's web site
https://www.surreycc.gov.uk/roads-and-transport/buses-and-other-transpor
t/bus-timetables
Those sorts of local-authority published timetables can be somewhat
patchy. The Surrey one looks much better than average. I wonder when the
County last published a timetable booklet?
2nd Jan 2018

HTH

tim
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Michael R N Dolbear
2018-02-01 00:27:38 UTC
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And check the relevant council's web site
https://www.surreycc.gov.uk/roads-and-transport/buses-and-other-transpor
t/bus-timetables
Those sorts of local-authority published timetables can be somewhat
patchy. The Surrey one looks much better than average. I wonder when the
County last published a timetable booklet?
.> 2nd Jan 2018

.> HTH

Both the timetable booklets and the website include those London buses that
run into Surrey
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Roland Perry
2018-01-31 06:55:40 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
Post by Bill Borland
I don't want my journey planned for me; I want to see all that is
available, and make up my own mind.
That ship sailed long ago for almost all public transport.
http://www.londonbusroutes.net/routes.htm
That comes in the class of "virtually unobtainable". Which is different
from "completely unobtainable". There are also timetables for the tube,
but they don't make them very accessible. At least the latter come from
TfL, rather than what appears to be an enthusiastic amateur.
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Post by Roland Perry
Airlines were the first to make timetables virtually unobtainable (maybe
25 years ago), rather than asking you when you might want to travel, and
then suggesting some flights they'd prefer you took.
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Roland Perry
Bill Borland
2018-02-01 15:43:58 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
Post by Bill Borland
I don't want my journey planned for me; I want to see all that is
available, and make up my own mind.
That ship sailed long ago for almost all public transport.
http://www.londonbusroutes.net/routes.htm
Post by Roland Perry
Airlines were the first to make timetables virtually unobtainable (maybe
25 years ago), rather than asking you when you might want to travel, and
then suggesting some flights they'd prefer you took.
My thanks to Recliner. That is exactly what I wanted. Thanks also to
the "enthusiastic amateur" who compiled these timetables.

That format must still exist somewhere in the tfl database as it is
displayed at bus stops; why the hell do they not make copies available
to the public, either on paper or on line? National Rail are much more
obliging - paper copies of the timetables for specific lines are
available at stations, often in "help yourself" racks.
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Bill Borland
Roland Perry
2018-02-01 16:10:23 UTC
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National Rail are much more obliging - paper copies of the timetables
for specific lines are available at stations, often in "help yourself"
racks.
They are only available for some routes. Far too often all they produce
are summaries, and having divided the route up between concepts such as
"inner/outer suburban".
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Roland Perry
Basil Jet
2018-02-01 18:54:29 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
National Rail are much more obliging - paper copies of the timetables
for specific lines are available at stations, often in "help yourself"
racks.
They are only available for some routes. Far too often all they produce
are summaries, and having divided the route up between concepts such as
"inner/outer suburban".
Which NR route has no paper timetable, apart from the London Overground
& TfL Rail?

(actually, you can ask for a TfL Rail timetable at the ticket office and
they will print one off on a sheet of A4... works at Seven Kings, anyway)
Roland Perry
2018-02-01 19:32:12 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
National Rail are much more obliging - paper copies of the
timetables for specific lines are available at stations, often in
"help yourself" racks.
They are only available for some routes. Far too often all they
produce are summaries, and having divided the route up between
concepts such as "inner/outer suburban".
Which NR route has no paper timetable, apart from the London Overground
& TfL Rail?
I've never seen a proper paper timetable for Great Northern. All there
is at the station are credit-card sized pocket guides with highly
selected services. There's eight different subsets (only some of which
are available at any one station):

<https://www.greatnorthernrail.com/travel-information/plan-your-
journey/timetables>
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Roland Perry
Roland Perry
2018-02-01 19:45:19 UTC
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Post by Basil Jet
Which NR route has no paper timetable, apart from the London Overground
& TfL Rail?
I've never seen a proper paper timetable for Great Northern. All there
is at the station are credit-card sized pocket guides with highly
selected services. There's eight different subsets (only some of which
<https://www.greatnorthernrail.com/travel-information/plan-your-journey/timetables>
Note for example how A7 shows services from Cambridge North to Cambridge
and Kings Cross, but omits showing all the intermediate stops south of
Cambridge.

And there's no clue [apart from the journey time] the 1906[1] from Ely
to Kings Cross is all-shacks, rather than fast from Cambridge which is
the case during the day.

[1] RTT says it's 1908, but what's 2 minutes between friends.
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Roland Perry
Roland Perry
2018-02-01 21:45:06 UTC
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the 1906[1] from Ely to Kings Cross is all-shacks,
[1] RTT says it's 1908, but what's 2 minutes between friends.
oops, that's Saturdays.
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Roland Perry
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2018-02-02 02:03:12 UTC
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Post by Roland Perry
National Rail are much more obliging - paper copies of the
timetables for specific lines are available at stations, often in
"help yourself" racks.
They are only available for some routes. Far too often all they
produce are summaries, and having divided the route up between
concepts such as "inner/outer suburban".
Which NR route has no paper timetable, apart from the London Overground
& TfL Rail?
I've never seen a proper paper timetable for Great Northern. All there
is at the station are credit-card sized pocket guides with highly
selected services. There's eight different subsets (only some of which
<https://www.greatnorthernrail.com/travel-information/plan-your-journey/timet
ables>

They used to do a GN booklet which then became a downloadable PDF only but
even that stopped after Summer 2014.
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Roland Perry
2018-02-02 08:02:05 UTC
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Post by Basil Jet
Which NR route has no paper timetable, apart from the London Overground
& TfL Rail?
I've never seen a proper paper timetable for Great Northern. All there
is at the station are credit-card sized pocket guides with highly
selected services. There's eight different subsets (only some of which
<https://www.greatnorthernrail.com/travel-information/plan-your-journey/timetables>
They used to do a GN booklet
FCC, shirley?
Post by Roland Perry
which then became a downloadable PDF only but even that stopped after
Summer 2014.
That'll be an "improvement" when GTR took over the route :(
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Roland Perry
r***@cix.compulink.co.uk
2018-02-02 19:05:32 UTC
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Post by Basil Jet
Which NR route has no paper timetable, apart from the London
Overground & TfL Rail?
I've never seen a proper paper timetable for Great Northern. All
there is at the station are credit-card sized pocket guides with highly
selected services. There's eight different subsets (only some of which
<https://www.greatnorthernrail.com/travel-information/plan-your-journey/tim
etables>
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Post by Roland Perry
They used to do a GN booklet
FCC, shirley?
Then it was, wasn't it?
Post by Roland Perry
Post by Roland Perry
which then became a downloadable PDF only but even that stopped after
Summer 2014.
That'll be an "improvement" when GTR took over the route :(
One of a number on the information front.
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Colin Rosenstiel
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2018-02-01 18:38:23 UTC
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Post by Bill Borland
I don't want my journey planned for me; I want to see all that is
available, and make up my own mind.
That ship sailed long ago for almost all public transport.
http://www.londonbusroutes.net/routes.htm
Post by Roland Perry
Airlines were the first to make timetables virtually unobtainable (maybe
25 years ago), rather than asking you when you might want to travel, and
then suggesting some flights they'd prefer you took.
My thanks to Recliner. That is exactly what I wanted. Thanks also to
the "enthusiastic amateur" who compiled these timetables.
That format must still exist somewhere in the tfl database as it is
displayed at bus stops; why the hell do they not make copies available
to the public, either on paper or on line? National Rail are much more
obliging - paper copies of the timetables for specific lines are
available at stations, often in "help yourself" racks.
The other thing that TfL have apparently given up on is bus maps,
which are invaluable for those of us who like to plan our own
journeys. Again, though, there is an "enthusiastic amateur" who
produces them (http://www.busmap.co.uk/).

Chris.
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Post by Roland Perry
Post by Bill Borland
I don't want my journey planned for me; I want to see all that is
available, and make up my own mind.
That ship sailed long ago for almost all public transport.
http://www.londonbusroutes.net/routes.htm
Post by Roland Perry
Airlines were the first to make timetables virtually unobtainable (maybe
25 years ago), rather than asking you when you might want to travel, and
then suggesting some flights they'd prefer you took.
My thanks to Recliner. That is exactly what I wanted. Thanks also to
the "enthusiastic amateur" who compiled these timetables.
That format must still exist somewhere in the tfl database as it is
displayed at bus stops; why the hell do they not make copies available
to the public, either on paper or on line? National Rail are much more
obliging - paper copies of the timetables for specific lines are
available at stations, often in "help yourself" racks.
The other thing that TfL have apparently given up on is bus maps,
Yes I can't seem to find them even as a download now

Fortunately, I have saved a copy of the south half before they disappeared.
But I am missing the north

The spider maps are useless.
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which are invaluable for those of us who like to plan our own
journeys. Again, though, there is an "enthusiastic amateur" who
produces them (http://www.busmap.co.uk/).
Chris.
Basil Jet
2018-02-02 13:11:54 UTC
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The other thing that TfL have apparently given up on is bus maps,
Yes I can't seem to find them even as a download now
Fortunately, I have saved a copy of the south half before they
disappeared. But I am missing the north
www.clg-laroue.ac-besancon.fr/sites/www.clg-laroue/IMG/pdf/north-east-london-bus-map.pdf

http://www.clg-laroue.ac-besancon.fr/sites/www.clg-laroue/IMG/pdf/north-west-london-bus-map.pdf

Not sure why there are white insets on the Northeast one.
Roland Perry
2018-02-02 14:21:12 UTC
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The other thing that TfL have apparently given up on is bus maps,
Yes I can't seem to find them even as a download now
Fortunately, I have saved a copy of the south half before they
disappeared. But I am missing the north
www.clg-laroue.ac-besancon.fr/sites/www.clg-laroue/IMG/pdf/north-east-lo
ndon-bus-map.pdf
http://www.clg-laroue.ac-besancon.fr/sites/www.clg-laroue/IMG/pdf/north-
west-london-bus-map.pdf
Not sure why there are white insets on the Northeast one.
Perhaps it's something to do with the point during the production
process they were scraped?
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Roland Perry
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2018-02-02 18:59:07 UTC
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The other thing that TfL have apparently given up on is bus maps,
Yes I can't seem to find them even as a download now
Fortunately, I have saved a copy of the south half before they
disappeared. But I am missing the north
www.clg-laroue.ac-besancon.fr/sites/www.clg-laroue/IMG/pdf/north-east-london-bus-map.pdf
http://www.clg-laroue.ac-besancon.fr/sites/www.clg-laroue/IMG/pdf/north-west-london-bus-map.pdf
thanks
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Not sure why there are white insets on the Northeast one.
Recliner
2018-01-30 20:47:22 UTC
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Post by Bill Borland
I used to be able to download timetables exactly as they appear in the
case on the bus stop pole - the times for a week summarised in a format
such that the whole thing would fit on one side of an A4 page and could
conveniently be folded and carried. Is this still possible? All I can
find on the tfl website is "journey planners" and a list down one edge
of the page giving all the times for one day only, which would probably
need two or three pages to print, most of which would be white space.
I don't want my journey planned for me; I want to see all that is
available, and make up my own mind.
Have you tried this site?
<http://www.londonbusroutes.net/routes.htm>
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