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Ex-Victoria line unit at Action Town
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Recliner
2018-04-04 13:21:00 UTC
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I came across this strange 2-car ex-Victoria Line unit in the siding
at Acton Town today:

<https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157665392527907>

I see it's been discussed on District Dave's forum:
http://districtdavesforum.co.uk/thread/29230/67-stock-remaining-units

Despite the Victoria Line sign in one cab window, it seems they're
actually 72TS, and rather smart. From the discussion, it seems that
these surviving cars don't currently have a use.
Marland
2018-04-04 17:27:59 UTC
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I came across this strange 2-car ex-Victoria Line unit in the siding
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157665392527907>
http://districtdavesforum.co.uk/thread/29230/67-stock-remaining-units
Despite the Victoria Line sign in one cab window, it seems they're
actually 72TS, and rather smart. From the discussion, it seems that
these surviving cars don't currently have a use.
Downloaded my online edition of the Railway Magazine last night.
In a very similar photo the unit is described as a tunnel cleaning train
formed of 67and 72 stock.



GH
Recliner
2018-04-04 19:42:31 UTC
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I came across this strange 2-car ex-Victoria Line unit in the siding
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157665392527907>
http://districtdavesforum.co.uk/thread/29230/67-stock-remaining-units
Despite the Victoria Line sign in one cab window, it seems they're
actually 72TS, and rather smart. From the discussion, it seems that
these surviving cars don't currently have a use.
Downloaded my online edition of the Railway Magazine last night.
In a very similar photo the unit is described as a tunnel cleaning train
formed of 67and 72 stock.
The District Dave thread says that the tunnel cleaning train has been
cancelled, so the cars are currently without a use.
Marland
2018-04-04 21:43:23 UTC
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I came across this strange 2-car ex-Victoria Line unit in the siding
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157665392527907>
http://districtdavesforum.co.uk/thread/29230/67-stock-remaining-units
Despite the Victoria Line sign in one cab window, it seems they're
actually 72TS, and rather smart. From the discussion, it seems that
these surviving cars don't currently have a use.
Downloaded my online edition of the Railway Magazine last night.
In a very similar photo the unit is described as a tunnel cleaning train
formed of 67and 72 stock.
The District Dave thread says that the tunnel cleaning train has been
cancelled, so the cars are currently without a use.
The RM photos says it was taken on March the 15th so it does seem a long
time for such an asset not too move, as District Dave is largely populated
by LU people I would think they would have the more accurate info.

GH
Recliner
2018-04-05 10:59:16 UTC
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I came across this strange 2-car ex-Victoria Line unit in the siding
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157665392527907>
http://districtdavesforum.co.uk/thread/29230/67-stock-remaining-units
Despite the Victoria Line sign in one cab window, it seems they're
actually 72TS, and rather smart. From the discussion, it seems that
these surviving cars don't currently have a use.
Downloaded my online edition of the Railway Magazine last night.
In a very similar photo the unit is described as a tunnel cleaning train
formed of 67and 72 stock.
The District Dave thread says that the tunnel cleaning train has been
cancelled, so the cars are currently without a use.
The RM photos says it was taken on March the 15th so it does seem a long
time for such an asset not too move, as District Dave is largely populated
by LU people I would think they would have the more accurate info.
I think this is another example of TfL's acute budget squeeze.
Presumably the tunnel cleaning train wasn't needed urgently, so it's
been cancelled, or at least deferred. Similarly, the extra Northern
and Jubilee Line trains have been cancelled.

TfL has been caught in a tight squeeze: ridership is unexpectedly
down, and combined with the fares freeze on all TfL services, means
that revenues are falling. The bus hopper fares can't have helped.

At the same time last-minute Crossrail technical problems have
increased the costs of completing it, before any new revenues come in.
And government subsidies for TfL's operations are coming to any end.
So TfL simultaneously has higher costs, lower revenues, and reduced
subsidies.

Things might start betting better once the Elizabeth line opens at the
end of the year (or will the opening be deferred?).
Jarle Hammen Knudsen
2018-04-05 14:03:08 UTC
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ridership is unexpectedly down
Why?
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Recliner
2018-04-05 15:17:24 UTC
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ridership is unexpectedly down
Why?
Obviously, nobody really knows, but it could be partly because of a
long-term trend not to go into the office as much, or because of the
frequent strikes on Southern, and London Bridge and Waterloo closures for
building work. If fewer people were getting into central London, fewer
people would be using the Tube.
Robin
2018-04-05 17:57:04 UTC
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On Thu, 05 Apr 2018 11:59:16 +0100, Recliner
ridership is unexpectedly down
Why?
TfL's business plan in December had it was "largely owing to economic
factors affecting the whole of the UK, including the uncertainty of
Brexit." But the Assembly's Budget and Performance Committee were not
convinced TfL really knew what was going on, and noted it could also be
lifestyle changes - not just home working but things like online
shopping and more use of PHVs.
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Paul Corfield
2018-04-06 13:49:38 UTC
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On Thu, 05 Apr 2018 11:59:16 +0100, Recliner
ridership is unexpectedly down
Why?
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TfL have yet to publish a definitive researched result. However the following have all been mentioned.

a) increased congestion has slowed bus services meaning people use them less.
b) risk averse "padded" bus timetables mean buses stop and "wait time" for minutes at a time to ensure operators achieve headway targets. Passengers get pissed off with this nonsense (who can blame them?) and stop using the buses.
c) people have transferred to cycles for some journeys.
d) the rise of Uber and similar services have reduced demand for night buses as has the introduction of the Night Tube.
e) the rise of online shopping is reducing shopping trips on public transport.
f) the rise of home delivery services for take away food is reducing trip numbers and people travelling to eat out in restaurants.
g) some employment sectors are seeing softening in demand and employment levels. My own view is this will get VASTLY worse due to Brexit.
h) changes in working patterns mean people commute less and work from home more. Also many jobs are insecure in terms of regular hours.
i) more people are self employed so don't have traditional commuting patterns.
j) the widespread availability of real time bus info has made it more obvious to people where there may be gaps in the service or the service is worse than people perceived it to be. People therefore don't use buses so much.
k) concern over jobs means people are reducing their discretionary spend on leisure activity thus reducing off peak public transport use.
l) years and years of austerity don't help encourage people to make frivolous use of public transport.
m) the increased use of contactless cards and paying per trip or charges per day from bank accounts has made people more aware of the cost of using publci transport. This may have discouraged people from making extra trips where they have not reached a daily cap level.

As you can see there is a mix of internal (to TfL) and external factors affecting how people use the system. It's little wonder if there is decline in amongst all those issues. Of course TfL's response is to cut bus services across London so bus usage will fall as people find a worse service.
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On Thu, 05 Apr 2018 11:59:16 +0100, Recliner
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TfL have yet to publish a definitive researched result. However the followi=
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I'd also add:

n) bus stops that are too close together that mean buses are stopping every
20-30 seconds in some places and can make very slow progress.

Since TfL has made it clear it doesn't really give a monkeys about the elderly,
disabled or mothers with pushchairs by ditching bendy buses and its continued
use of unsuitable double deckers then it can hardly use them as an excuse for
having bus stops only a few hundred metres apart.
Arthur Figgis
2018-04-06 18:08:28 UTC
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On Thu, 05 Apr 2018 11:59:16 +0100, Recliner
ridership is unexpectedly down
Why?
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jhk
TfL have yet to publish a definitive researched result. However the following have all been mentioned.
a) increased congestion has slowed bus services meaning people use them less.
b) risk averse "padded" bus timetables mean buses stop and "wait time" for minutes at a time to ensure operators achieve headway targets. Passengers get pissed off with this nonsense (who can blame them?) and stop using the buses.
b.i) Those *&^%#@ announcements, although fortunately they have now gone.
b.ii) All the bus passengers being wiped out in freak "Not holding on
after the bus has already started moving" accidents once the *&^%#@
announcements stopped.
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Recliner
2018-04-10 01:46:24 UTC
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Post by Jarle Hammen Knudsen
On Thu, 05 Apr 2018 11:59:16 +0100, Recliner
ridership is unexpectedly down
Why?
--
jhk
TfL have yet to publish a definitive researched result. However the
following have all been mentioned.
a) increased congestion has slowed bus services meaning people use them less.
b) risk averse "padded" bus timetables mean buses stop and "wait time"
for minutes at a time to ensure operators achieve headway targets.
Passengers get pissed off with this nonsense (who can blame them?) and
stop using the buses.
c) people have transferred to cycles for some journeys.
d) the rise of Uber and similar services have reduced demand for night
buses as has the introduction of the Night Tube.
e) the rise of online shopping is reducing shopping trips on public transport.
f) the rise of home delivery services for take away food is reducing trip
numbers and people travelling to eat out in restaurants.
g) some employment sectors are seeing softening in demand and employment
levels. My own view is this will get VASTLY worse due to Brexit.
h) changes in working patterns mean people commute less and work from
home more. Also many jobs are insecure in terms of regular hours.
i) more people are self employed so don't have traditional commuting patterns.
j) the widespread availability of real time bus info has made it more
obvious to people where there may be gaps in the service or the service
is worse than people perceived it to be. People therefore don't use buses so much.
k) concern over jobs means people are reducing their discretionary spend
on leisure activity thus reducing off peak public transport use.
l) years and years of austerity don't help encourage people to make
frivolous use of public transport.
m) the increased use of contactless cards and paying per trip or charges
per day from bank accounts has made people more aware of the cost of
using publci transport. This may have discouraged people from making
extra trips where they have not reached a daily cap level.
As you can see there is a mix of internal (to TfL) and external factors
affecting how people use the system. It's little wonder if there is
decline in amongst all those issues. Of course TfL's response is to cut
bus services across London so bus usage will fall as people find a worse service.
This was covered out in Inside Out London on Monday, mentioning some of the
factors you cite.

In a way, we should be pleased, as it saves TfL some capital investment,
and pollution should be reduced with fewer journeys into central London. If
people can accomplish largely the same economic impact by using high speed
broadband from home rather than physically travelling into central London,
it's a productivity benefit.

I think the problems being suffered by mid-market restaurant chains
supports the hypothesis.

Brexit could have an effect in the future if it cuts the number of EU
citizens coming to work in London, but I doubt that it's had much effect
yet.
Roland Perry
2018-04-10 08:15:48 UTC
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Brexit could have an effect in the future if it cuts the number of EU
citizens coming to work in London, but I doubt that it's had much effect
yet.
The only "industry" I've seen publish any figures yet is University
academia, who have around 25k EU citizens employed (in teaching/
research). They have seen an alleged Brexodus effect, for example Kings
College London reportedly having around 140 leave last year compared to
around 100 previously.

What we don't know (from these reports) is whether they've managed to up
their recruitment to 140, and from where.
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Brexit could have an effect in the future if it cuts the number of EU
citizens coming to work in London, but I doubt that it's had much effect
yet.
The only "industry" I've seen publish any figures yet is University
academia, who have around 25k EU citizens employed (in teaching/
research). They have seen an alleged Brexodus effect, for example Kings
College London reportedly having around 140 leave last year compared to
around 100 previously.
What we don't know (from these reports) is whether they've managed to up
their recruitment to 140, and from where.
Yes, I think more are leaving, and fewer applying, but I'm not sure if
there's been an actual reduction employed. Indeed, with some people wanting
to establish residency while they still can (not necessarily academics),
there could even be a temporary increase in EU migrants.
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2018-04-10 09:13:06 UTC
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Brexit could have an effect in the future if it cuts the number of EU
citizens coming to work in London, but I doubt that it's had much effect
yet.
The only "industry" I've seen publish any figures yet is University
academia, who have around 25k EU citizens employed (in teaching/
research). They have seen an alleged Brexodus effect, for example Kings
College London reportedly having around 140 leave last year compared to
around 100 previously.
What we don't know (from these reports) is whether they've managed to up
their recruitment to 140, and from where.
Yes, I think more are leaving, and fewer applying, but I'm not sure if
there's been an actual reduction employed. Indeed, with some people wanting
to establish residency while they still can (not necessarily academics),
there could even be a temporary increase in EU migrants.
Until we see an Immigration Bill with various cut-off dates, and more
importantly what rights will accrue to workers *and* their families,
it's understandable some people will be put off taking a risk.
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Brexit could have an effect in the future if it cuts the number of EU
citizens coming to work in London, but I doubt that it's had much effect
yet.
The only "industry" I've seen publish any figures yet is University
academia, who have around 25k EU citizens employed (in teaching/
research). They have seen an alleged Brexodus effect, for example Kings
College London reportedly having around 140 leave last year compared to
around 100 previously.
What we don't know (from these reports) is whether they've managed to up
their recruitment to 140, and from where.
Yes, I think more are leaving, and fewer applying, but I'm not sure if
there's been an actual reduction employed. Indeed, with some people wanting
to establish residency while they still can (not necessarily academics),
there could even be a temporary increase in EU migrants.
Until we see an Immigration Bill with various cut-off dates, and more
importantly what rights will accrue to workers *and* their families,
it's understandable some people will be put off taking a risk.
Yes, I'm sure that's true, but others who were just considering coming may
bring forward their arrival to be here before any cut-off date.

Incidentally, I think the dates are now agreed (ie, we conceded to the EU's
proposals), but I'm not sure if immigrants' family rights are also
confirmed.
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Brexit could have an effect in the future if it cuts the number of EU
citizens coming to work in London, but I doubt that it's had much effect
yet.
The only "industry" I've seen publish any figures yet is University
academia, who have around 25k EU citizens employed (in teaching/
research). They have seen an alleged Brexodus effect, for example Kings
College London reportedly having around 140 leave last year compared to
around 100 previously.
What we don't know (from these reports) is whether they've managed to up
their recruitment to 140, and from where.
Yes, I think more are leaving, and fewer applying, but I'm not sure if
there's been an actual reduction employed. Indeed, with some people wanting
to establish residency while they still can (not necessarily academics),
there could even be a temporary increase in EU migrants.
Until we see an Immigration Bill with various cut-off dates, and more
importantly what rights will accrue to workers *and* their families,
it's understandable some people will be put off taking a risk.
Yes, I'm sure that's true, but others who were just considering coming may
bring forward their arrival to be here before any cut-off date.
Incidentally, I think the dates are now agreed (ie, we conceded to the EU's
proposals),
The problem is, things keep changing. As recently as last November the
Government was sticking firmly to March 2019.
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but I'm not sure if immigrants' family rights are also confirmed.
Even the immigrants themselves. One report I've read says it's
restricted to: "EU citizens who are working, self-employed, studying,
who have sufficient resources for themselves and their families
..." and can thus apply [up to the end of 2020] for "pre-settled
status", which is basically a concession while they build up five years
residence before applying for UK Citizenship. Not all such applications
succeed.
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Brexit could have an effect in the future if it cuts the number of EU
citizens coming to work in London, but I doubt that it's had much effect
yet.
The only "industry" I've seen publish any figures yet is University
academia, who have around 25k EU citizens employed (in teaching/
research). They have seen an alleged Brexodus effect, for example Kings
College London reportedly having around 140 leave last year compared to
around 100 previously.
What we don't know (from these reports) is whether they've managed to up
their recruitment to 140, and from where.
Yes, I think more are leaving, and fewer applying, but I'm not sure if
there's been an actual reduction employed. Indeed, with some people wanting
to establish residency while they still can (not necessarily academics),
there could even be a temporary increase in EU migrants.
Until we see an Immigration Bill with various cut-off dates, and more
importantly what rights will accrue to workers *and* their families,
it's understandable some people will be put off taking a risk.
Yes, I'm sure that's true, but others who were just considering coming may
bring forward their arrival to be here before any cut-off date.
Incidentally, I think the dates are now agreed (ie, we conceded to the EU's
proposals),
The problem is, things keep changing. As recently as last November the
Government was sticking firmly to March 2019.
Not so firmly, it now turns out. As in most aspects of the transition deal,
it's been agreed on the EU's terms.
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but I'm not sure if immigrants' family rights are also confirmed.
Even the immigrants themselves. One report I've read says it's
restricted to: "EU citizens who are working, self-employed, studying,
who have sufficient resources for themselves and their families
..." and can thus apply [up to the end of 2020] for "pre-settled
status", which is basically a concession while they build up five years
residence before applying for UK Citizenship. Not all such applications
succeed.
Yes, that area remains confused. I wonder why such an application would be
refused?

One other point is the relative strength of the pound. When it dropped
sharply immediately after the Brexit vote, UK wages no longer looked so
good when translated into euros or zlotys. Now it's recovered much of the
lost ground, UK wages may be looking more attractive again.
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Brexit could have an effect in the future if it cuts the number of EU
citizens coming to work in London, but I doubt that it's had much effect
yet.
The only "industry" I've seen publish any figures yet is University
academia, who have around 25k EU citizens employed (in teaching/
research). They have seen an alleged Brexodus effect, for example Kings
College London reportedly having around 140 leave last year compared to
around 100 previously.
What we don't know (from these reports) is whether they've managed to up
their recruitment to 140, and from where.
Yes, I think more are leaving, and fewer applying, but I'm not sure if
there's been an actual reduction employed. Indeed, with some people wanting
to establish residency while they still can (not necessarily academics),
there could even be a temporary increase in EU migrants.
Until we see an Immigration Bill with various cut-off dates, and more
importantly what rights will accrue to workers *and* their families,
it's understandable some people will be put off taking a risk.
Yes, I'm sure that's true, but others who were just considering coming may
bring forward their arrival to be here before any cut-off date.
Incidentally, I think the dates are now agreed (ie, we conceded to the EU's
proposals),
The problem is, things keep changing. As recently as last November the
Government was sticking firmly to March 2019.
Not so firmly, it now turns out. As in most aspects of the transition deal,
it's been agreed on the EU's terms.
Which are what? Mindful that "the devil will be in the detail".
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but I'm not sure if immigrants' family rights are also confirmed.
Even the immigrants themselves. One report I've read says it's
restricted to: "EU citizens who are working, self-employed, studying,
who have sufficient resources for themselves and their families
..." and can thus apply [up to the end of 2020] for "pre-settled
status", which is basically a concession while they build up five years
residence before applying for UK Citizenship. Not all such applications
succeed.
Yes, that area remains confused. I wonder why such an application would be
refused?
A criminal record is an obvious one.
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2018-04-10 08:33:02 UTC
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Brexit could have an effect in the future if it cuts the number of EU
citizens coming to work in London, but I doubt that it's had much effect
yet.
If the amount of Polish I hear on my journey is any guide then if a lot of
them clear off I might actually get a seat occasionally.
Recliner
2018-04-10 11:41:58 UTC
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Brexit could have an effect in the future if it cuts the number of EU
citizens coming to work in London, but I doubt that it's had much effect
yet.
If the amount of Polish I hear on my journey
I wonder what they're saying about you?
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is any guide then if a lot of
them clear off I might actually get a seat occasionally.
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Brexit could have an effect in the future if it cuts the number of EU
citizens coming to work in London, but I doubt that it's had much effect
yet.
If the amount of Polish I hear on my journey
I wonder what they're saying about you?
Notalot I imagine. They're probably thinking "Perhaps I should have worked
harder at school and got some decent qualifications, then I wouldn't have to
travel 1000 miles just to get a job making overpriced coffee for mininum wage".
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Brexit could have an effect in the future if it cuts the number of EU
citizens coming to work in London, but I doubt that it's had much effect
yet.
If the amount of Polish I hear on my journey
I wonder what they're saying about you?
Notalot I imagine. They're probably thinking "Perhaps I should have worked
harder at school and got some decent qualifications, then I wouldn't have to
travel 1000 miles just to get a job making overpriced coffee for mininum wage".
They're probably graduates in a field with few jobs back home.
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Brexit could have an effect in the future if it cuts the number of EU
citizens coming to work in London, but I doubt that it's had much effect
yet.
If the amount of Polish I hear on my journey
I wonder what they're saying about you?
Notalot I imagine. They're probably thinking "Perhaps I should have worked
harder at school and got some decent qualifications, then I wouldn't have to
travel 1000 miles just to get a job making overpriced coffee for mininum wage".
They're probably graduates in a field with few jobs back home.
FSVO "home". The more I look into it, the more I see that UK nationals
with UK degrees are likely to be "working in retail" the first few years
after uni while they try to find something more permanent.
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Brexit could have an effect in the future if it cuts the number of EU
citizens coming to work in London, but I doubt that it's had much effect
yet.
If the amount of Polish I hear on my journey
I wonder what they're saying about you?
Notalot I imagine. They're probably thinking "Perhaps I should have worked
harder at school and got some decent qualifications, then I wouldn't have to
travel 1000 miles just to get a job making overpriced coffee for mininum
wage".
They're probably graduates in a field with few jobs back home.
If you've got a degree in engineering you don't move across a continent to
work for shit wages in a coffee shop and live in a bedsit. They could do that
in their own country. Some might be here as students to learn english or just
for the sake of living abroad, but in general the blue collar sector gets the
bottom of the barrel who are too useless to get a job back home or do jobs
where the work moves around such as in construction and are so desperate for
work they're quite happy to be treated as virtual slaves in a way that brits
would not. Its a license for employers to exploit.
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If the amount of Polish I hear on my journey
I wonder what they're saying about you?
Notalot I imagine. They're probably thinking "Perhaps I should have worked
harder at school and got some decent qualifications, then I wouldn't have to
travel 1000 miles just to get a job making overpriced coffee for mininum
wage".
They're probably graduates in a field with few jobs back home.
If you've got a degree in engineering you don't move across a continent to
work for shit wages in a coffee shop and live in a bedsit. They could do that
in their own country. Some might be here as students to learn english or just
for the sake of living abroad, but in general the blue collar sector gets the
bottom of the barrel who are too useless to get a job back home or do jobs
where the work moves around such as in construction and are so desperate for
work they're quite happy to be treated as virtual slaves in a way that brits
would not. Its a license for employers to exploit.
Yet another thing you know nothing about.

But I do recognise how much you know about goading the recliner's of
this world to keep replying to your trolling.
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2018-04-10 15:27:13 UTC
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where the work moves around such as in construction and are so desperate for
work they're quite happy to be treated as virtual slaves in a way that brits
would not. Its a license for employers to exploit.
Yet another thing you know nothing about.
Whereas you're an expert are you? Feel free to fill us in on your relevant
experience Walter Mitty.
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But I do recognise how much you know about goading the recliner's of
this world to keep replying to your trolling.
One has to pass the time somehow waiting for builds to finish.
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2018-04-10 15:52:24 UTC
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where the work moves around such as in construction and are so desperate for
work they're quite happy to be treated as virtual slaves in a way that brits
would not. Its a license for employers to exploit.
Yet another thing you know nothing about.
Whereas you're an expert are you?
Try researching "Gig Economy".
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Feel free to fill us in on your relevant experience Walter Mitty.
I have better things to do in between "builds finishing".
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But I do recognise how much you know about goading the recliner's of
this world to keep replying to your trolling.
One has to pass the time somehow waiting for builds to finish.
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where the work moves around such as in construction and are so desperate for
work they're quite happy to be treated as virtual slaves in a way that brits
would not. Its a license for employers to exploit.
Yet another thing you know nothing about.
Whereas you're an expert are you?
Try researching "Gig Economy".
You working for Deliveroo now then? Must be getting fit with all that cycling.
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Feel free to fill us in on your relevant experience Walter Mitty.
I have better things to do in between "builds finishing".
Clearly not that much better since you seem to post almost every hour during u
the day.
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where the work moves around such as in construction and are so desperate for
work they're quite happy to be treated as virtual slaves in a way that brits
would not. Its a license for employers to exploit.
Yet another thing you know nothing about.
Whereas you're an expert are you?
Try researching "Gig Economy".
You working for Deliveroo now then?
I prefer to use Google as a research tool than Deliveroo.
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I have better things to do in between "builds finishing".
Clearly not that much better since you seem to post almost every hour during u
the day.
Much better things to do than trolling.
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where the work moves around such as in construction and are so desperate for
work they're quite happy to be treated as virtual slaves in a way that brits
would not. Its a license for employers to exploit.
Yet another thing you know nothing about.
Whereas you're an expert are you?
Try researching "Gig Economy".
You working for Deliveroo now then?
I prefer to use Google as a research tool than Deliveroo.
So basically your knowledge in these matters comes from google. Glad we cleared
that up.
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Clearly not that much better since you seem to post almost every hour during u
the day.
Much better things to do than trolling.
Some of your posts suggest otherwise.
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where the work moves around such as in construction and are so desperate for
work they're quite happy to be treated as virtual slaves in a way that brits
would not. Its a license for employers to exploit.
Yet another thing you know nothing about.
Whereas you're an expert are you?
Try researching "Gig Economy".
You working for Deliveroo now then?
I prefer to use Google as a research tool than Deliveroo.
So basically your knowledge in these matters comes from google. Glad we cleared
that up.
It comes from sources which Google finds for me.
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Clearly not that much better since you seem to post almost every hour
during u the day.
Much better things to do than trolling.
Some of your posts suggest otherwise.
All of yours confirm you are trolling.
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ridership is unexpectedly down
Why?
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TfL have yet to publish a definitive researched result. However the
following have all been mentioned.
a) increased congestion has slowed bus services meaning people use them less.
b) risk averse "padded" bus timetables mean buses stop and "wait time"
for minutes at a time to ensure operators achieve headway targets.
Passengers get pissed off with this nonsense (who can blame them?) and
stop using the buses.
especially when the bus is only 2 stops from its terminus
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I came across this strange 2-car ex-Victoria Line unit in the siding
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/albums/72157665392527907>
http://districtdavesforum.co.uk/thread/29230/67-stock-remaining-units
Despite the Victoria Line sign in one cab window, it seems they're
actually 72TS, and rather smart. From the discussion, it seems that
these surviving cars don't currently have a use.
Downloaded my online edition of the Railway Magazine last night.
In a very similar photo the unit is described as a tunnel cleaning train
formed of 67and 72 stock.
The District Dave thread says that the tunnel cleaning train has been
cancelled, so the cars are currently without a use.
The RM photos says it was taken on March the 15th so it does seem a long
time for such an asset not too move, as District Dave is largely populated
by LU people I would think they would have the more accurate info.
I think this is another example of TfL's acute budget squeeze.
Presumably the tunnel cleaning train wasn't needed urgently, so it's
been cancelled, or at least deferred. Similarly, the extra Northern
and Jubilee Line trains have been cancelled.
TfL has been caught in a tight squeeze: ridership is unexpectedly
down, and combined with the fares freeze on all TfL services, means
that revenues are falling. The bus hopper fares can't have helped.
At the same time last-minute Crossrail technical problems have
increased the costs of completing it, before any new revenues come in.
And government subsidies for TfL's operations are coming to any end.
So TfL simultaneously has higher costs, lower revenues, and reduced
subsidies.
Things might start betting better once the Elizabeth line opens at the
end of the year (or will the opening be deferred?).
I don't think it's any of those issues actually. As you will know the old Tunnel Cleaning Train was very unreliable and caught fire. LU put alternative measures in place to keep tunnel dirt and dust under control. However the issues about dust levels and potential harm to passengers have never gone away. A decision was therefore taken years ago to create a new tunnel cleaning train. This involved the use of old Vic Line cars. I believe, but am happy to be corrected, that the eventual train (years late btw) was severely underpowered and not able to work properly. Now how on earth the programme took so long to create an ineffective train is anyone's guess. I believe a decision was taken not to put any further money into the Tunnel Cleaning Train but more on the basis of it possibly being an "open ended" financial hole rather than there being a fixed budget to achieve a defined end. This was not so much due to the worsening financial situation TfL faces now but a simple acceptance that it was best to stop the project.

Given LU's tunnel sizes there is not really the prospect of buying an "off the peg" new tunnel cleaning train from an established manufacturer. Clearly the prospects of such a purchase, even if possible, are lower than zero given the lack of money. However I expect the underlying issues have not gone away and politicians and others will keep asking questions about air quality and dust levels.
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