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Bakerloo 2017 consultation
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Basil Jet
2017-03-02 00:19:02 UTC
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Charles Ellson
2017-03-02 02:39:57 UTC
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Next week - Northern Line to Elstree ?
Graeme Wall
2017-03-02 07:44:09 UTC
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Next week - Northern Line to Elstree ?
Already there, you can see the trains on Eastenders…
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Charles Ellson
2017-03-02 18:49:59 UTC
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Next week - Northern Line to Elstree ?
Already there, you can see the trains on Eastenders…
Can't, I don't watch it. ;-)
BevanPrice
2017-03-02 22:01:39 UTC
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On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 00:19:02 +0000, Basil Jet
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Next week - Northern Line to Elstree ?
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Already there, you can see the trains on Eastenders…
Can't, I don't watch it. ;-)
Likewise, although I used to watch it once. Got fed up because it just
seemed to be endless variations of the same stories. And have deserted
other soaps for the same reason.

r***@cix.compulink.co.uk
2017-03-02 10:15:22 UTC
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Next week - Northern Line to Elstree ?
Is Lewisham in the Metropolitan Green Belt then?
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Graeme Wall
2017-03-02 07:43:42 UTC
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At last, a proposal that wasn't in the 1971 London Rail Study!

Makes a lot of sense.
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tim...
2017-03-02 08:54:06 UTC
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get then to give Bromley council a great big kick up the arse and stop them
from vetoing the extension along the Catford branch.

I really can't believe that the residents of Hayes wouldn't prefer an every
5 minute service to a choice of central London destinations instead of a 15
minute service to a main line station where they have to change, just
because they lose the possibility of through services to Cannon Street.

and not to mention the possibility for a 24 hour service
Graeme Wall
2017-03-02 09:06:55 UTC
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get then to give Bromley council a great big kick up the arse and stop
them from vetoing the extension along the Catford branch.
I really can't believe that the residents of Hayes wouldn't prefer an
every 5 minute service to a choice of central London destinations
instead of a 15 minute service to a main line station where they have to
change, just because they lose the possibility of through services to
Cannon Street.
and not to mention the possibility for a 24 hour service
Presumably that comes under the heading of proposed extensions.
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tim...
2017-03-02 09:21:15 UTC
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get then to give Bromley council a great big kick up the arse and stop
them from vetoing the extension along the Catford branch.
I really can't believe that the residents of Hayes wouldn't prefer an
every 5 minute service to a choice of central London destinations
instead of a 15 minute service to a main line station where they have to
change, just because they lose the possibility of through services to
Cannon Street.
and not to mention the possibility for a 24 hour service
Presumably that comes under the heading of proposed extensions.
it was in the original suggestion

but was taken out because Bromley didn't support it (actively discouraged
it)

The additional costs of converting 5-10 miles of over-ground line is going
to be (relatively) trivial

and the costs of the linking tunnel is going to cost considerably more to do
as a one-off, than as part of the original build

and, of course, it saves on the costs of turn around facilities at Lewisham

tim
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2017-03-02 09:57:10 UTC
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I'd lay money on the actual old kent road station ending up in the middle
of the 2 proposals if this extension ever gets built.
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but was taken out because Bromley didn't support it (actively discouraged
it)
I can kind of see their point. Would you really want to switch to having to
squeeze onto a tube train in the rush hour when up until now you've been used
to mainline sized trains? Also tube trains arn't fast and the journey could end
up taking somewhat longer.
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tim...
2017-03-02 10:08:25 UTC
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I'd lay money on the actual old kent road station ending up in the middle
of the 2 proposals if this extension ever gets built.
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but was taken out because Bromley didn't support it (actively discouraged
it)
I can kind of see their point. Would you really want to switch to having to
squeeze onto a tube train in the rush hour when up until now you've been used
to mainline sized trains?
you really think there's that much of a difference?

And there will be more of them (per hour) so more room for all the people at
the outlying stations
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Also tube trains arn't fast and the journey could end
up taking somewhat longer.
The services are already "all stops" so I can't see it being that different

tim
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s***@potato.field
2017-03-02 10:42:51 UTC
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I can kind of see their point. Would you really want to switch to having to
squeeze onto a tube train in the rush hour when up until now you've been used
to mainline sized trains?
you really think there's that much of a difference?
Yes. Tube trains are cramped and have a hard ride due to the limited
suspension travel. Track defects that would barely be noticable in a mainline
train are painfully obvious in a tube train.
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r***@cix.compulink.co.uk
2017-03-02 12:02:56 UTC
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I'd lay money on the actual old kent road station ending up in the
middle of the 2 proposals if this extension ever gets built.
Post by tim...
but was taken out because Bromley didn't support it (actively
discouraged it)
I can kind of see their point. Would you really want to switch to
having to squeeze onto a tube train in the rush hour when up until now
you've been used to mainline sized trains?
you really think there's that much of a difference?
And there will be more of them (per hour) so more room for all the
people at the outlying stations
Post by s***@potato.field
Also tube trains arn't fast and the journey could end
up taking somewhat longer.
The services are already "all stops" so I can't see it being that different
Indeed. Compare the 41-43 minutes off-peak for 14 1/2 miles from Hayes to
Charing Cross to 47 minutes for the 23.23 Km (14 1/2miles) from Harrow &
Wealdstone to Elephant & Castle. Hardly a big difference in running time for
more than double the effective frequency and reduced transfer times for most
passengers. 3 trains an hour from Harrow & Wealdstone are LO, connecting at
Queen's Park into a 20 trains an hour off-peak service.
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