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s***@potato.field
2017-09-15 08:19:08 UTC
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Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
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2017-09-15 08:47:08 UTC
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Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
Graeme Wall
2017-09-15 08:49:38 UTC
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Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
Which piece is that?
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2017-09-15 09:04:36 UTC
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Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
Which piece is that?
Builders on piece work.


G.harman
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2017-09-15 09:11:43 UTC
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Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.

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Recliner
2017-09-15 09:15:58 UTC
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Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
It does appear to be terrorism.
Martin Edwards
2017-09-16 06:54:26 UTC
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Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
It does appear to be terrorism.
Yes.
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Recliner
2017-09-16 10:20:13 UTC
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Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
It does appear to be terrorism.
Yes.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Roland Perry
2017-09-16 11:45:54 UTC
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And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Trying to get on a ferry?

ObRail: earlier such terrorists did successfully get on a Eurostar in
London.
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2017-09-16 11:55:28 UTC
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And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Trying to get on a ferry?
ObRail: earlier such terrorists did successfully get on a Eurostar in
London.
One person, after the second tube bombing attempt.
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tim...
2017-09-16 13:14:35 UTC
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And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Trying to get on a ferry?
OOI

assuming that he is the actual wanted person and not just some random person
of the correct ethnicity (as in - the Birmingham Six)

I wonder if they identified him as a potential suspect:

a) from a name
b) from facial recognition
c) his general demeanor
d) a failed attempt to travel on false documents

anything else?

tim
Martin Edwards
2017-09-17 06:41:36 UTC
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And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Trying to get on a ferry?
OOI
assuming that he is the actual wanted person and not just some random
person of the correct ethnicity (as in - the Birmingham Six)
a) from a name
b) from facial recognition
c) his general demeanor
d) a failed attempt to travel on false documents
anything else?
tim
I think police methods are now far more sophisticated.
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Graeme Wall
2017-09-17 07:42:13 UTC
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And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Trying to get on a ferry?
OOI
assuming that he is the actual wanted person and not just some random
person of the correct ethnicity (as in - the Birmingham Six)
a) from a name
b) from facial recognition
c) his general demeanor
d) a failed attempt to travel on false documents
anything else?
tim
I think police methods are now far more sophisticated.
Nothing very sophisticated about trawling through CCTV coverage, but it
aooears to have worked.
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2017-09-17 12:44:03 UTC
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And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Trying to get on a ferry?
OOI
assuming that he is the actual wanted person and not just some random
person of the correct ethnicity (as in - the Birmingham Six)
a) from a name
b) from facial recognition
c) his general demeanor
d) a failed attempt to travel on false documents
anything else?
tim
I think police methods are now far more sophisticated.
ESP?

My question really is

did they pick him up because they had managed to get a name/face for the
person they were looking for

or did he give himself away

tim
d***@yahoo.co.uk
2017-09-17 13:06:45 UTC
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Post by tim...
assuming that he is the actual wanted person and not just some random
person of the correct ethnicity (as in - the Birmingham Six)
a) from a name
b) from facial recognition
c) his general demeanor
d) a failed attempt to travel on false documents
anything else?
tim
I think police methods are now far more sophisticated.
ESP?
My question really is
did they pick him up because they had managed to get a name/face for the
person they were looking for
or did he give himself away
tim
Look at Train CCTV of man with with bag getting on at station xxx
look at CCTV at station xxx for the time period you expect someone on
that train to have entered the station and see same man with same bag
touching in.
Strike lucky and find he used a registered Oyster card.

Just a guess mind.

G.Harman
Graeme Wall
2017-09-17 15:54:53 UTC
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Post by tim...
assuming that he is the actual wanted person and not just some random
person of the correct ethnicity (as in - the Birmingham Six)
a) from a name
b) from facial recognition
c) his general demeanor
d) a failed attempt to travel on false documents
anything else?
tim
I think police methods are now far more sophisticated.
ESP?
My question really is
did they pick him up because they had managed to get a name/face for the
person they were looking for
or did he give himself away
tim
Look at Train CCTV of man with with bag getting on at station xxx
look at CCTV at station xxx for the time period you expect someone on
that train to have entered the station and see same man with same bag
touching in.
Strike lucky and find he used a registered Oyster card.
Or he's a minor criminal with a record and fingerprints/DNA on file.
Get a match from the bucket.
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Roland Perry
2017-09-17 16:09:36 UTC
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did they pick him up because they had managed to get a name/face for the
person they were looking for
or did he give himself away
Look at Train CCTV of man with with bag getting on at station xxx
look at CCTV at station xxx for the time period you expect someone on
that train to have entered the station and see same man with same bag
touching in.
Strike lucky and find he used a registered Oyster card.
Or he's a minor criminal with a record and fingerprints/DNA on file.
Get a match from the bucket.
Very little hard information two days later. One arrest in Dover,
another in London; are either firmly linked to forensics from CCTV and
the bucket, or because of something else?
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2017-09-17 16:25:19 UTC
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Post by tim...
did they pick him up because they had managed to get a name/face for the
person they were looking for
or did he give himself away
Look at Train CCTV of man with with bag getting on at station xxx
look at CCTV at station xxx for the time period you expect someone on
that train to have entered the station and see same man with same bag
touching in.
Strike lucky and find he used a registered Oyster card.
Or he's a minor criminal with a record and fingerprints/DNA on file.
Get a match from the bucket.
Very little hard information two days later. One arrest in Dover,
another in London; are either firmly linked to forensics from CCTV and
the bucket, or because of something else?
Presumably information will remain limited if they're still looking for
more suspects, suppliers, funders, inspirers, etc.
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2017-09-17 16:45:47 UTC
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Very little hard information two days later. One arrest in Dover,
another in London; are either firmly linked to forensics from CCTV and
the bucket, or because of something else?
Presumably information will remain limited if they're still looking for
more suspects, suppliers, funders, inspirers, etc.
But they've lowered the threat level.
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Graeme Wall
2017-09-17 16:26:01 UTC
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did they pick him up because they had managed to get a name/face for the
person they were looking for
or did he give himself away
  Look at Train CCTV of man with  with bag getting on at station xxx
look at CCTV at station xxx for the time period you expect someone on
that  train to have entered the station and see same man with same bag
touching in.
Strike lucky and find he used a registered Oyster card.
Or he's a minor criminal with a record and fingerprints/DNA on file.
Get a match from the bucket.
Very little hard information two days later. One arrest in Dover,
another in London; are either firmly linked to forensics from CCTV and
the bucket, or because of something else?
Doubt we will be told for a while yet. Threat level has been lowered
again so looks like they think no one else is involved.
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2017-09-17 16:41:00 UTC
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Post by tim...
My question really is
did they pick him up because they had managed to get a name/face for the
person they were looking for
or did he give himself away
tim
Look at Train CCTV of man with with bag getting on at station xxx
look at CCTV at station xxx for the time period you expect someone on
that train to have entered the station and see same man with same bag
touching in.
Strike lucky and find he used a registered Oyster card.
Or he's a minor criminal with a record and fingerprints/DNA on file.
Get a match from the bucket.
A friend who was in the police said many minor criminals aren't that
bright and often make one mistake which is all that is needed .

One I recall he mentioned was the interviewing of a suspect who had
previous form and had been brought in because of a torch dropped at
the scene.
Suspect was a getting a bit cockier as he got older and argued that no
way could they have found any prints on the scene because he had
learnt inside Prison always to wear gloves and the torch they said he
had handled would be clean and he had never seen it before.
"can you explain how your prints got on the batteries inside the
Torch ? was the next question.

G.Harman
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2017-09-17 18:10:44 UTC
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A friend who was in the police said many minor criminals aren't that
bright and often make one mistake which is all that is needed .
One I recall he mentioned was the interviewing of a suspect who had
previous form and had been brought in because of a torch dropped at
the scene.
Suspect was a getting a bit cockier as he got older and argued that no
way could they have found any prints on the scene because he had
learnt inside Prison always to wear gloves and the torch they said he
had handled would be clean and he had never seen it before.
"can you explain how your prints got on the batteries inside the
Torch ? was the next question.
A while back someone shared on a Facebook group a local newspaper story
about the police looking for someone who had run someone over. Someone
else then added a comment saying the story was unfair on her boyfriend
because his victim hadn't been watching out for people driving on the
footpath...
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tim...
2017-09-18 12:15:04 UTC
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assuming that he is the actual wanted person and not just some random
person of the correct ethnicity (as in - the Birmingham Six)
a) from a name
b) from facial recognition
c) his general demeanor
d) a failed attempt to travel on false documents
anything else?
tim
I think police methods are now far more sophisticated.
ESP?
My question really is
did they pick him up because they had managed to get a name/face for the
person they were looking for
or did he give himself away
tim
Look at Train CCTV of man with with bag getting on at station xxx
look at CCTV at station xxx for the time period you expect someone on
that train to have entered the station and see same man with same bag
touching in.
Strike lucky and find he used a registered Oyster card.
Yes I do know how they could have found out the identity of the person

my question is

did they in fact manage this in the time available before they stopped the
guy at Dover

or

did they just get lucky because he gave himself away, some other way

My interest here (as a tech professional) is in assessing the state of the
art of the technology to do this in 12 hours, where previously it might have
taken them 3 weeks (or more)

tim
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2017-09-18 12:34:55 UTC
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Post by tim...
assuming that he is the actual wanted person and not just some random
person of the correct ethnicity (as in - the Birmingham Six)
a) from a name
b) from facial recognition
c) his general demeanor
d) a failed attempt to travel on false documents
anything else?
tim
I think police methods are now far more sophisticated.
ESP?
My question really is
did they pick him up because they had managed to get a name/face for the
person they were looking for
or did he give himself away
tim
Look at Train CCTV of man with with bag getting on at station xxx
look at CCTV at station xxx for the time period you expect someone on
that train to have entered the station and see same man with same bag
touching in.
Strike lucky and find he used a registered Oyster card.
Yes I do know how they could have found out the identity of the person
my question is
did they in fact manage this in the time available before they stopped the
guy at Dover
or
did they just get lucky because he gave himself away, some other way
My interest here (as a tech professional) is in assessing the state of the
art of the technology to do this in 12 hours, where previously it might have
taken them 3 weeks (or more)
It seems he was arrested at Dover on other grounds. Only later did they
discover he was wanted fir the attempted bombing. So they got lucky.
tim...
2017-09-18 12:54:10 UTC
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Post by Martin Edwards
Post by tim...
assuming that he is the actual wanted person and not just some random
person of the correct ethnicity (as in - the Birmingham Six)
a) from a name
b) from facial recognition
c) his general demeanor
d) a failed attempt to travel on false documents
anything else?
tim
I think police methods are now far more sophisticated.
ESP?
My question really is
did they pick him up because they had managed to get a name/face for the
person they were looking for
or did he give himself away
tim
Look at Train CCTV of man with with bag getting on at station xxx
look at CCTV at station xxx for the time period you expect someone on
that train to have entered the station and see same man with same bag
touching in.
Strike lucky and find he used a registered Oyster card.
Yes I do know how they could have found out the identity of the person
my question is
did they in fact manage this in the time available before they stopped the
guy at Dover
or
did they just get lucky because he gave himself away, some other way
My interest here (as a tech professional) is in assessing the state of the
art of the technology to do this in 12 hours, where previously it might have
taken them 3 weeks (or more)
It seems he was arrested at Dover on other grounds. Only later did they
discover he was wanted fir the attempted bombing. So they got lucky.
Thanks

I had half expected that would be the answer (but had seen nothing to
suggest it was)

tim
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2017-09-18 12:52:01 UTC
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Post by tim...
my question is
did they in fact manage this in the time available before they stopped the
guy at Dover
or
did they just get lucky because he gave himself away, some other way
My interest here (as a tech professional) is in assessing the state of the
art of the technology to do this in 12 hours, where previously it might have
taken them 3 weeks (or more)
It seems he was arrested at Dover on other grounds.
No, or forged, passport/ticket?
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Only later did they discover he was wanted fir the attempted bombing.
So they got lucky.
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2017-09-18 19:41:17 UTC
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It seems he was arrested at Dover on other grounds. Only later did they
discover he was wanted fir the attempted bombing.
"They" would say that, wouldn't they...?
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2017-09-18 21:01:02 UTC
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It seems he was arrested at Dover on other grounds. Only later did they
discover he was wanted fir the attempted bombing.
"They" would say that, wouldn't they...?
Why? "They" would look smarter if they'd claimed to have caught him
through their superior intelligence, rather than catching him through lucky
accident.
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It seems he was arrested at Dover on other grounds. Only later did they
discover he was wanted fir the attempted bombing.
"They" would say that, wouldn't they...?
Why? "They" would look smarter if they'd claimed to have caught him
through their superior intelligence, rather than catching him through lucky
accident.
They don't need to look smart, just to get the right person. There might
be less paperwork and fewer awkward questions if it was seemingly lucky
chance, rather than something which could give some vague clue as to how
they knew.

ISTR once reading about an aircraft being sent to fly past a major
German warship, in the hope that when the ship came under attack shortly
afterwards the Kriegsmarine would think that the plane had happened to
stumble across it, rather than suspect that someone might be reading
their messages and finding them that way.
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2017-09-16 14:20:32 UTC
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Post by s***@potato.field
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
It does appear to be terrorism.
Yes.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
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It does appear to be terrorism.
Yes.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
It's not guaranteed.
Most criminals are caught due to having some form of previous
interaction with the Police and establishing the end of a trail, eg a
bank robbers trail may have started when he nicked some sweets from a
corner shop as a 13 year old and became one to watch and whose habits
and haunts become known.
With a terrorist the trail may have been started by intelligence
services observing their coming and goings with other known people
doing suspicious activity or being seen at certain buildings.
In both case if the perpetuator of a bank robbery or a terrorist act
is doing it for absolutely the first time and is a lone wolf it
becomes much harder, surveillance videos will not help if the person
in the image cannot be recognized or are disguised unless they happen
to turn up again elsewhere unguarded.
There are experts at analyzing videos but as an example of how
difficult it is to find someone with no previous look at the Jogger
who pushed the woman into the path of a Bus recently, not even
disguised, reasonable video from the street and the bus, loads of
people about.
They still have not identified anyone enough to bring charges

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Post by Recliner
It does appear to be terrorism.
Yes.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
It's not guaranteed.
Most criminals are caught due to having some form of previous
interaction with the Police and establishing the end of a trail, eg a
bank robbers trail may have started when he nicked some sweets from a
corner shop as a 13 year old and became one to watch and whose habits
and haunts become known.
With a terrorist the trail may have been started by intelligence
services observing their coming and goings with other known people
doing suspicious activity or being seen at certain buildings.
In both case if the perpetuator of a bank robbery or a terrorist act
is doing it for absolutely the first time and is a lone wolf it
becomes much harder, surveillance videos will not help if the person
in the image cannot be recognized or are disguised unless they happen
to turn up again elsewhere unguarded.
There are experts at analyzing videos but as an example of how
difficult it is to find someone with no previous look at the Jogger
who pushed the woman into the path of a Bus recently, not even
disguised, reasonable video from the street and the bus, loads of
people about.
They still have not identified anyone enough to bring charges
Indeed, and they've wrongly arrested two innocent joggers so far. You'd
think the jogger should be relatively easy to find, as his home location
can be pinned down to quite a narrow area, and he must have been caught by
many other cameras on his route.
Graeme Wall
2017-09-16 16:19:31 UTC
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It does appear to be terrorism.
Yes.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
It's not guaranteed.
Most criminals are caught due to having some form of previous
interaction with the Police and establishing the end of a trail, eg a
bank robbers trail may have started when he nicked some sweets from a
corner shop as a 13 year old and became one to watch and whose habits
and haunts become known.
With a terrorist the trail may have been started by intelligence
services observing their coming and goings with other known people
doing suspicious activity or being seen at certain buildings.
In both case if the perpetuator of a bank robbery or a terrorist act
is doing it for absolutely the first time and is a lone wolf it
becomes much harder, surveillance videos will not help if the person
in the image cannot be recognized or are disguised unless they happen
to turn up again elsewhere unguarded.
There are experts at analyzing videos but as an example of how
difficult it is to find someone with no previous look at the Jogger
who pushed the woman into the path of a Bus recently, not even
disguised, reasonable video from the street and the bus, loads of
people about.
They still have not identified anyone enough to bring charges
Indeed, and they've wrongly arrested two innocent joggers so far. You'd
think the jogger should be relatively easy to find, as his home location
can be pinned down to quite a narrow area,
Not necessarily in central London, could have jogged from his place of
work and back (he recrossed the bridge shortly after the incident) and
actually lives somewhere in the London commuter area, aka England.

and he must have been caught by
Post by Recliner
many other cameras on his route.
But who is going to put in the effort to look at them all, once he left
the bridge he could have gone in any direction.
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Post by Recliner
It does appear to be terrorism.
Yes.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
It's not guaranteed.
Most criminals are caught due to having some form of previous
interaction with the Police and establishing the end of a trail, eg a
bank robbers trail may have started when he nicked some sweets from a
corner shop as a 13 year old and became one to watch and whose habits
and haunts become known.
With a terrorist the trail may have been started by intelligence
services observing their coming and goings with other known people
doing suspicious activity or being seen at certain buildings.
In both case if the perpetuator of a bank robbery or a terrorist act
is doing it for absolutely the first time and is a lone wolf it
becomes much harder, surveillance videos will not help if the person
in the image cannot be recognized or are disguised unless they happen
to turn up again elsewhere unguarded.
There are experts at analyzing videos but as an example of how
difficult it is to find someone with no previous look at the Jogger
who pushed the woman into the path of a Bus recently, not even
disguised, reasonable video from the street and the bus, loads of
people about.
They still have not identified anyone enough to bring charges
Indeed, and they've wrongly arrested two innocent joggers so far. You'd
think the jogger should be relatively easy to find, as his home location
can be pinned down to quite a narrow area,
Not necessarily in central London, could have jogged from his place of
work and back (he recrossed the bridge shortly after the incident) and
actually lives somewhere in the London commuter area, aka England.
Yes, good point.
Post by Graeme Wall
and he must have been caught by
Post by Recliner
many other cameras on his route.
But who is going to put in the effort to look at them all, once he left
the bridge he could have gone in any direction.
Yes, but they can work outwards from the end of the bridge to trace his
route. That area must have plenty of cameras. And the case is high profile
enough that it may be worth the effort.

However, if, within a few days of the incident, they didn't realise that
they needed to do it, the footage from most of the cameras may not have
been retained.
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2017-09-16 20:30:19 UTC
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Post by Recliner
Post by Recliner
It does appear to be terrorism.
Yes.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
It's not guaranteed.
Most criminals are caught due to having some form of previous
interaction with the Police and establishing the end of a trail, eg a
bank robbers trail may have started when he nicked some sweets from a
corner shop as a 13 year old and became one to watch and whose habits
and haunts become known.
With a terrorist the trail may have been started by intelligence
services observing their coming and goings with other known people
doing suspicious activity or being seen at certain buildings.
In both case if the perpetuator of a bank robbery or a terrorist act
is doing it for absolutely the first time and is a lone wolf it
becomes much harder, surveillance videos will not help if the person
in the image cannot be recognized or are disguised unless they happen
to turn up again elsewhere unguarded.
There are experts at analyzing videos but as an example of how
difficult it is to find someone with no previous look at the Jogger
who pushed the woman into the path of a Bus recently, not even
disguised, reasonable video from the street and the bus, loads of
people about.
They still have not identified anyone enough to bring charges
Indeed, and they've wrongly arrested two innocent joggers so far. You'd
think the jogger should be relatively easy to find, as his home location
can be pinned down to quite a narrow area,
Not necessarily in central London, could have jogged from his place of
work and back (he recrossed the bridge shortly after the incident) and
actually lives somewhere in the London commuter area, aka England.
Yes, good point.
Post by Graeme Wall
and he must have been caught by
Post by Recliner
many other cameras on his route.
But who is going to put in the effort to look at them all, once he left
the bridge he could have gone in any direction.
Yes, but they can work outwards from the end of the bridge to trace his
route. That area must have plenty of cameras. And the case is high profile
enough that it may be worth the effort.
Lots of cameras at the north end of the bridge, possibly not so many at
the south end.
Post by Recliner
However, if, within a few days of the incident, they didn't realise that
they needed to do it, the footage from most of the cameras may not have
been retained.
It took quite a while to be made public. Don't know how long footage is
kept on modern CCTV but doubt it is more than week at the outside.
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Post by Recliner
Post by Recliner
It does appear to be terrorism.
Yes.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
It's not guaranteed.
Most criminals are caught due to having some form of previous
interaction with the Police and establishing the end of a trail, eg a
bank robbers trail may have started when he nicked some sweets from a
corner shop as a 13 year old and became one to watch and whose habits
and haunts become known.
With a terrorist the trail may have been started by intelligence
services observing their coming and goings with other known people
doing suspicious activity or being seen at certain buildings.
In both case if the perpetuator of a bank robbery or a terrorist act
is doing it for absolutely the first time and is a lone wolf it
becomes much harder, surveillance videos will not help if the person
in the image cannot be recognized or are disguised unless they happen
to turn up again elsewhere unguarded.
There are experts at analyzing videos but as an example of how
difficult it is to find someone with no previous look at the Jogger
who pushed the woman into the path of a Bus recently, not even
disguised, reasonable video from the street and the bus, loads of
people about.
They still have not identified anyone enough to bring charges
Indeed, and they've wrongly arrested two innocent joggers so far. You'd
think the jogger should be relatively easy to find, as his home location
can be pinned down to quite a narrow area,
Not necessarily in central London, could have jogged from his place of
work and back (he recrossed the bridge shortly after the incident) and
actually lives somewhere in the London commuter area, aka England.
Yes, good point.
Post by Graeme Wall
and he must have been caught by
Post by Recliner
many other cameras on his route.
But who is going to put in the effort to look at them all, once he left
the bridge he could have gone in any direction.
Yes, but they can work outwards from the end of the bridge to trace his
route. That area must have plenty of cameras. And the case is high profile
enough that it may be worth the effort.
Lots of cameras at the north end of the bridge, possibly not so many at
the south end.
Post by Recliner
However, if, within a few days of the incident, they didn't realise that
they needed to do it, the footage from most of the cameras may not have
been retained.
It took quite a while to be made public. Don't know how long footage is
kept on modern CCTV but doubt it is more than week at the outside.
Yes, that may be the weak link.
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On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:20:32 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Recliner
Post by Recliner
It does appear to be terrorism.
Yes.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
It's not guaranteed.
Most criminals are caught due to having some form of previous
interaction with the Police and establishing the end of a trail, eg a
bank robbers trail may have started when he nicked some sweets from a
corner shop as a 13 year old and became one to watch and whose habits
and haunts become known.
With a terrorist the trail may have been started by intelligence
services observing their coming and goings with other known people
doing suspicious activity or being seen at certain buildings.
In both case if the perpetuator of a bank robbery or a terrorist act
is doing it for absolutely the first time and is a lone wolf it
becomes much harder, surveillance videos will not help if the person
in the image cannot be recognized or are disguised unless they happen
to turn up again elsewhere unguarded.
There are experts at analyzing videos but as an example of how
difficult it is to find someone with no previous look at the Jogger
who pushed the woman into the path of a Bus recently, not even
disguised, reasonable video from the street and the bus, loads of
people about.
They still have not identified anyone enough to bring charges
Indeed, and they've wrongly arrested two innocent joggers so far. You'd
think the jogger should be relatively easy to find, as his home location
can be pinned down to quite a narrow area, and he must have been caught by
many other cameras on his route.
As would the bomber. The only question would be how long it took to
back-track his movements. It takes people time - but he must have
boarded the train somewhere with his bucket-in-a-LIDL-bag.
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2017-09-16 20:32:37 UTC
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Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Recliner
Post by Recliner
It does appear to be terrorism.
Yes.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
It's not guaranteed.
Most criminals are caught due to having some form of previous
interaction with the Police and establishing the end of a trail, eg a
bank robbers trail may have started when he nicked some sweets from a
corner shop as a 13 year old and became one to watch and whose habits
and haunts become known.
With a terrorist the trail may have been started by intelligence
services observing their coming and goings with other known people
doing suspicious activity or being seen at certain buildings.
In both case if the perpetuator of a bank robbery or a terrorist act
is doing it for absolutely the first time and is a lone wolf it
becomes much harder, surveillance videos will not help if the person
in the image cannot be recognized or are disguised unless they happen
to turn up again elsewhere unguarded.
There are experts at analyzing videos but as an example of how
difficult it is to find someone with no previous look at the Jogger
who pushed the woman into the path of a Bus recently, not even
disguised, reasonable video from the street and the bus, loads of
people about.
They still have not identified anyone enough to bring charges
Indeed, and they've wrongly arrested two innocent joggers so far. You'd
think the jogger should be relatively easy to find, as his home location
can be pinned down to quite a narrow area, and he must have been caught by
many other cameras on his route.
As would the bomber. The only question would be how long it took to
back-track his movements. It takes people time - but he must have
boarded the train somewhere with his bucket-in-a-LIDL-bag.
Limited to 5 possible places and a fairly short window of time so fairly
easy to go through.
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2017-09-17 06:43:37 UTC
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Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
It's not guaranteed.
I was once caught urinating in New Street Station by cctv. I had gone
off the platform onto some gravel, but there was a camera there.
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painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman
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Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
It's not guaranteed.
I was once caught urinating in New Street Station by cctv. I had gone
off the platform onto some gravel, but there was a camera there.
But were you Caught live so to speak by someone watching in real time
or a day or so later after a picture of bits of you appeared on
Newsnight.
Perhaps you were lucky they didn't announce on the tannoy, " will the
man in the xxxx coloured shirt please stop urinating on the gravel at
the end of the platform".

G.Harman
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Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
It's not guaranteed.
I was once caught urinating in New Street Station by cctv. I had gone
off the platform onto some gravel, but there was a camera there.
Were they pissed?
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Post by s***@potato.field
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
Post by e27002 aurora
Post by s***@potato.field
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
It does appear to be terrorism.
Yes.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.

And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.

To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for
more than a few years.
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2017-09-17 00:12:50 UTC
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Post by s***@potato.field
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
Post by e27002 aurora
Post by s***@potato.field
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
It does appear to be terrorism.
Yes.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.
If anything, people seem to want more of it, as they feel safer with it.
This latest Parsons Green case seems to be an example where it paid off.
That may well also happen with the homicidal bridge jogger.
Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.
Why not? It's exactly what most people think.
Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for
more than a few years.
Yes, it's been around for many years.

But instead of the early grainy, very low res, fuzzy, extended play VHS
images on worn-out tapes, it's now HD quality, sharp, clear, digital
images. Perhaps some are now 4k video quality?

They can now also be centrally monitored and stored for much longer. And,
in some cases, the images are automatically computer-scanned for car number
plates (ANPR) and known faces.

Your time will come: this is one area where Britain leads and the world
follows.
Nobody
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On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 10:20:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
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Post by s***@potato.field
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
Post by e27002 aurora
Post by s***@potato.field
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
It does appear to be terrorism.
Yes.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.
If anything, people seem to want more of it, as they feel safer with it.
And 'they' don't really think/consider beyond, as to how it affects
their individual right to unobserved movement.

The state (in Canaduh anyway) has no right to know where I might or
might not be.
Post by Recliner
Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.
Why not? It's exactly what most people think.
That's a surrender to un-involved citizenship. Big word:
acquiescence.
Post by Recliner
Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for
more than a few years.
Yes, it's been around for many years.
Sad.
Post by Recliner
Your time will come: this is one area where Britain leads and the world
follows.
Interestingly, the crime rate in Canaduh has been dropping for
decades.

Yes, Bad Things happen... but the occurrence relative to overall
population ain't growing.

Perception of safety, at least in my and general observation in our
major urban areas, is stable or improving... and remember, we're a
welcoming, multi-cultural society.
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Post by Recliner
Post by s***@potato.field
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
Post by e27002 aurora
Post by s***@potato.field
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
It does appear to be terrorism.
Yes.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.
If anything, people seem to want more of it, as they feel safer with it.
And 'they' don't really think/consider beyond, as to how it affects
their individual right to unobserved movement.
The state (in Canaduh anyway) has no right to know where I might or
might not be.
Post by Recliner
Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.
Why not? It's exactly what most people think.
acquiescence.
Post by Recliner
Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for
more than a few years.
Yes, it's been around for many years.
Sad.
Post by Recliner
Your time will come: this is one area where Britain leads and the world
follows.
Interestingly, the crime rate in Canaduh has been dropping for
decades.
What's with your unfunny misspellings? They just make your posts less
readable.
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Post by s***@potato.field
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
Post by e27002 aurora
Post by s***@potato.field
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
It does appear to be terrorism.
Yes.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.
If anything, people seem to want more of it, as they feel safer with it.
And 'they' don't really think/consider beyond, as to how it affects
their individual right to unobserved movement.
The state (in Canaduh anyway) has no right to know where I might or
might not be.
Post by Recliner
Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.
Why not? It's exactly what most people think.
acquiescence.
Post by Recliner
Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for
more than a few years.
Yes, it's been around for many years.
Sad.
Post by Recliner
Your time will come: this is one area where Britain leads and the world
follows.
Interestingly, the crime rate in Canaduh has been dropping for
decades.
What's with your unfunny misspellings? They just make your posts less
readable.
Oh please, lighten up!

They are at least deliberately consistent.

We gave up wearing bowlers while striding across London Bridge a
decade or few ago, Shirley. <g>
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Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
It does appear to be terrorism.
Yes.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.
If anything, people seem to want more of it, as they feel safer with it.
And 'they' don't really think/consider beyond, as to how it affects
their individual right to unobserved movement.
The state (in Canaduh anyway) has no right to know where I might or
might not be.
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Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.
Why not? It's exactly what most people think.
acquiescence.
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Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for
more than a few years.
Yes, it's been around for many years.
Sad.
Post by Recliner
Your time will come: this is one area where Britain leads and the world
follows.
Interestingly, the crime rate in Canaduh has been dropping for
decades.
Yes, Bad Things happen... but the occurrence relative to overall
population ain't growing.
Perception of safety, at least in my and general observation in our
major urban areas, is stable or improving... and remember, we're a
welcoming, multi-cultural society.
And well policed. Stephen Pinker cites a police strike in Montreal
where there were bank raids on the first day and a provincial policeman
was attacked.
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painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman
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Post by s***@potato.field
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
It does appear to be terrorism.
Yes.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.
If anything, people seem to want more of it, as they feel safer with it.
And 'they' don't really think/consider beyond, as to how it affects
their individual right to unobserved movement.
The state (in Canaduh anyway) has no right to know where I might or
might not be.
Post by Recliner
Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.
Why not? It's exactly what most people think.
acquiescence.
Post by Recliner
Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for
more than a few years.
Yes, it's been around for many years.
Sad.
Post by Recliner
Your time will come: this is one area where Britain leads and the world
follows.
Interestingly, the crime rate in Canaduh has been dropping for
decades.
Yes, Bad Things happen... but the occurrence relative to overall
population ain't growing.
Perception of safety, at least in my and general observation in our
major urban areas, is stable or improving... and remember, we're a
welcoming, multi-cultural society.
One key thing is you don't have anything like the British tabloid press
which delights in keeping the population in a state of panic. What
Canadian newspapers I've seen on visits appear to be fairly staid in
comparison and some even have news in.
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
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Post by s***@potato.field
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
It does appear to be terrorism.
Yes.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.
If anything, people seem to want more of it, as they feel safer with it.
This latest Parsons Green case seems to be an example where it paid off.
That may well also happen with the homicidal bridge jogger.
Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.
Why not? It's exactly what most people think.
Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for
more than a few years.
Yes, it's been around for many years.
But instead of the early grainy, very low res, fuzzy, extended play VHS
images on worn-out tapes, it's now HD quality, sharp, clear, digital
images. Perhaps some are now 4k video quality?
How many would sir like ?
https://www.cctvcameraworld.com/4k-ip-cameras.html
Post by Recliner
They can now also be centrally monitored and stored for much longer. And,
in some cases, the images are automatically computer-scanned for car number
plates (ANPR) and known faces.
Your time will come: this is one area where Britain leads and the world
follows.
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Post by Recliner
Post by s***@potato.field
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
Post by e27002 aurora
Post by s***@potato.field
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
It does appear to be terrorism.
Yes.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.
If anything, people seem to want more of it, as they feel safer with it.
This latest Parsons Green case seems to be an example where it paid off.
That may well also happen with the homicidal bridge jogger.
Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.
Why not? It's exactly what most people think.
Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for
more than a few years.
Yes, it's been around for many years.
But instead of the early grainy, very low res, fuzzy, extended play VHS
images on worn-out tapes, it's now HD quality, sharp, clear, digital
images. Perhaps some are now 4k video quality?
How many would sir like ?
https://www.cctvcameraworld.com/4k-ip-cameras.html
I wonder how widely installed those are? Most installed cameras are well
behind the state-of-the-art.
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On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 10:20:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
Post by Recliner
Post by Recliner
Post by s***@potato.field
On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:47:08 +0100
Post by e27002 aurora
Post by s***@potato.field
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
It does appear to be terrorism.
Yes.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.
If anything, people seem to want more of it, as they feel safer with it.
This latest Parsons Green case seems to be an example where it paid off.
That may well also happen with the homicidal bridge jogger.
Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.
Why not? It's exactly what most people think.
Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for
more than a few years.
Yes, it's been around for many years.
But instead of the early grainy, very low res, fuzzy, extended play VHS
images on worn-out tapes, it's now HD quality, sharp, clear, digital
images. Perhaps some are now 4k video quality?
How many would sir like ?
https://www.cctvcameraworld.com/4k-ip-cameras.html
I wonder how widely installed those are? Most installed cameras are well
behind the state-of-the-art.
At around 200 squid a time possibly roughly the same good/bad quality
spread among users applies as before when it seemed to be "TV" quality
v. something cheaper ?
Roland Perry
2017-09-17 08:40:01 UTC
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But instead of the early grainy, very low res, fuzzy, extended play VHS
images on worn-out tapes, it's now HD quality, sharp, clear, digital
images. Perhaps some are now 4k video quality?
How many would sir like ?
https://www.cctvcameraworld.com/4k-ip-cameras.html
I wonder how widely installed those are? Most installed cameras are well
behind the state-of-the-art.
At around 200 squid a time possibly roughly the same good/bad quality
spread among users applies as before when it seemed to be "TV" quality
v. something cheaper ?
The cost of CCTV systems is much more than just a consumer grade camera.
For public surveillance not only is there the backhaul, but they are
often able to pan and tilt, and need much better sensitivity/
illumination than those listed.

Have you actually installed and used those cheapo ones? They are OK for
the passageway down the side of a shop, but not much else.
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But instead of the early grainy, very low res, fuzzy, extended play VHS
images on worn-out tapes, it's now HD quality, sharp, clear, digital
images. Perhaps some are now 4k video quality?
How many would sir like ?
https://www.cctvcameraworld.com/4k-ip-cameras.html
I wonder how widely installed those are? Most installed cameras are well
behind the state-of-the-art.
At around 200 squid a time possibly roughly the same good/bad quality
spread among users applies as before when it seemed to be "TV" quality
v. something cheaper ?
The cost of CCTV systems is much more than just a consumer grade camera.
For public surveillance not only is there the backhaul, but they are
often able to pan and tilt, and need much better sensitivity/
illumination than those listed.
Have you actually installed and used those cheapo ones? They are OK for
the passageway down the side of a shop, but not much else.
There's not much point having pan and tilt if you haven't got someone
to operate it; the "do you know this person?" pictures generally seem
to come from fixed cameras. The need for moveable cameras is reduced
by siting fixed cameras at pinch points; each moveable camera is
likely to augment several fixed cameras depending on purpose. When you
get to the point of needing to track a specific target then you
probably are needing more moveable cameras (and zoom lenses).
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But instead of the early grainy, very low res, fuzzy, extended play VHS
images on worn-out tapes, it's now HD quality, sharp, clear, digital
images. Perhaps some are now 4k video quality?
How many would sir like ?
https://www.cctvcameraworld.com/4k-ip-cameras.html
I wonder how widely installed those are? Most installed cameras are well
behind the state-of-the-art.
At around 200 squid a time possibly roughly the same good/bad quality
spread among users applies as before when it seemed to be "TV" quality
v. something cheaper ?
The cost of CCTV systems is much more than just a consumer grade camera.
For public surveillance not only is there the backhaul, but they are
often able to pan and tilt, and need much better sensitivity/
illumination than those listed.
Have you actually installed and used those cheapo ones? They are OK for
the passageway down the side of a shop, but not much else.
There's not much point having pan and tilt if you haven't got someone
to operate it; the "do you know this person?" pictures generally seem
to come from fixed cameras.
Tell that to the installers of the tens of thousands of cameras which do
pan and tilt.
Post by Charles Ellson
The need for moveable cameras is reduced by siting fixed cameras at
pinch points;
The moveable cameras tend to be at strategic points where they can cover
may different routes. The panning and tilting can be automatic on a
timer. Such cameras are more for preventing crime than detecting it.
Post by Charles Ellson
each moveable camera is likely to augment several fixed cameras
depending on purpose. When you get to the point of needing to track a
specific target then you probably are needing more moveable cameras
(and zoom lenses).
You've been watching too much "Spooks".
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But instead of the early grainy, very low res, fuzzy, extended play VHS
images on worn-out tapes, it's now HD quality, sharp, clear, digital
images. Perhaps some are now 4k video quality?
How many would sir like ?
https://www.cctvcameraworld.com/4k-ip-cameras.html
I wonder how widely installed those are? Most installed cameras are well
behind the state-of-the-art.
At around 200 squid a time possibly roughly the same good/bad quality
spread among users applies as before when it seemed to be "TV" quality
v. something cheaper ?
The cost of CCTV systems is much more than just a consumer grade camera.
For public surveillance not only is there the backhaul, but they are
often able to pan and tilt, and need much better sensitivity/
illumination than those listed.
Have you actually installed and used those cheapo ones? They are OK for
the passageway down the side of a shop, but not much else.
There's not much point having pan and tilt if you haven't got someone
to operate it; the "do you know this person?" pictures generally seem
to come from fixed cameras.
Tell that to the installers of the tens of thousands of cameras which do
pan and tilt.
Post by Charles Ellson
The need for moveable cameras is reduced by siting fixed cameras at pinch
points;
The moveable cameras tend to be at strategic points where they can cover
may different routes. The panning and tilting can be automatic on a timer.
Such cameras are more for preventing crime than detecting it.
Post by Charles Ellson
each moveable camera is likely to augment several fixed cameras depending
on purpose. When you get to the point of needing to track a specific
target then you probably are needing more moveable cameras (and zoom
lenses).
You've been watching too much "Spooks".
I never had a problem with spooks following people on CCTV

It was the way that there was always magically a "new" real person to take
over regardless of the route that the perp took, that was unbelievable.

tim
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But instead of the early grainy, very low res, fuzzy, extended play VHS
images on worn-out tapes, it's now HD quality, sharp, clear, digital
images. Perhaps some are now 4k video quality?
How many would sir like ?
https://www.cctvcameraworld.com/4k-ip-cameras.html
I wonder how widely installed those are? Most installed cameras are well
behind the state-of-the-art.
At around 200 squid a time possibly roughly the same good/bad quality
spread among users applies as before when it seemed to be "TV" quality
v. something cheaper ?
The cost of CCTV systems is much more than just a consumer grade camera.
For public surveillance not only is there the backhaul, but they are
often able to pan and tilt, and need much better sensitivity/
illumination than those listed.
Have you actually installed and used those cheapo ones? They are OK for
the passageway down the side of a shop, but not much else.
There's not much point having pan and tilt if you haven't got someone
to operate it; the "do you know this person?" pictures generally seem
to come from fixed cameras.
Tell that to the installers of the tens of thousands of cameras which do
pan and tilt.
Post by Charles Ellson
The need for moveable cameras is reduced by siting fixed cameras at pinch
points;
The moveable cameras tend to be at strategic points where they can cover
may different routes. The panning and tilting can be automatic on a timer.
Such cameras are more for preventing crime than detecting it.
Post by Charles Ellson
each moveable camera is likely to augment several fixed cameras depending
on purpose. When you get to the point of needing to track a specific
target then you probably are needing more moveable cameras (and zoom
lenses).
You've been watching too much "Spooks".
No, I've been working in one of many areas where that is exactly what
is done when an offender leaves the scene of their crime. They're
generally too thick to go off down a side street so we've often
watched the police with us just waiting for them to walk/run past.
Post by tim...
I never had a problem with spooks following people on CCTV
It was the way that there was always magically a "new" real person to take
over regardless of the route that the perp took, that was unbelievable.
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The moveable cameras tend to be at strategic points where they can cover
may different routes. The panning and tilting can be automatic on a timer.
Such cameras are more for preventing crime than detecting it.
Post by Charles Ellson
each moveable camera is likely to augment several fixed cameras depending
on purpose. When you get to the point of needing to track a specific
target then you probably are needing more moveable cameras (and zoom
lenses).
You've been watching too much "Spooks".
No, I've been working in one of many areas where that is exactly what
is done when an offender leaves the scene of their crime. They're
generally too thick to go off down a side street so we've often
watched the police with us just waiting for them to walk/run past.
How are the police alerted to the flight of the alleged offender so
soon?

Meanwhile, I was looking at one of the pan/tilt cameras on a street
corner (T-junction) earlier today, and it simply cycles between each of
the three directions every 15-20 seconds.
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The moveable cameras tend to be at strategic points where they can cover
may different routes. The panning and tilting can be automatic on a timer.
Such cameras are more for preventing crime than detecting it.
Post by Charles Ellson
each moveable camera is likely to augment several fixed cameras depending
on purpose. When you get to the point of needing to track a specific
target then you probably are needing more moveable cameras (and zoom
lenses).
You've been watching too much "Spooks".
No, I've been working in one of many areas where that is exactly what
is done when an offender leaves the scene of their crime. They're
generally too thick to go off down a side street so we've often
watched the police with us just waiting for them to walk/run past.
How are the police alerted to the flight of the alleged offender so
soon?
Through a set of the local authority's radios used by door staff,
police, street wardens and others.
Post by Roland Perry
Meanwhile, I was looking at one of the pan/tilt cameras on a street
corner (T-junction) earlier today, and it simply cycles between each of
the three directions every 15-20 seconds.
That would suggest it is mainly for observing the traffic when in that
style of use. It might be findable on one of the various websites that
get feeds from cameras.
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I've been working in one of many areas where that is exactly what
is done when an offender leaves the scene of their crime. They're
generally too thick to go off down a side street so we've often
watched the police with us just waiting for them to walk/run past.
How are the police alerted to the flight of the alleged offender so
soon?
Through a set of the local authority's radios used by door staff,
police, street wardens and others.
I'm surprised to find that's the idea behind the cameras where I live.
Surprised because I know the police station (where the feeds end up) is
unmanned at the times when they would be most useful.
Post by Charles Ellson
Post by Roland Perry
Meanwhile, I was looking at one of the pan/tilt cameras on a street
corner (T-junction) earlier today, and it simply cycles between each of
the three directions every 15-20 seconds.
That would suggest it is mainly for observing the traffic when in that
style of use.
Antisocial behaviour.
Post by Charles Ellson
It might be findable on one of the various websites that get feeds from
cameras.
No, and the pictures it takes are virtually inaccessible to the public
even under SAR. I've never seen quite such a lots of bogus reasons why
they could refuse :(
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Post by s***@potato.field
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Post by s***@potato.field
Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
It does appear to be terrorism.
Yes.
And they've now made an arrest, in Dover.
Don't these bombers realise that with all the surveillance videos,
they're going to get caught?
I dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.
If anything, people seem to want more of it, as they feel safer with it.
This latest Parsons Green case seems to be an example where it paid off.
That may well also happen with the homicidal bridge jogger.
Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
And please don't launch the "if you've done nothing wrong, you have
nothing to fear" defence at me.
Why not? It's exactly what most people think.
Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
To an outsider, watching your exports of TV programming involving
fictional crime (e.g. the rather ancient series 'Scott and Bailey')
suggests that a mind-boggling Big Brother watch-it has been around for
more than a few years.
Yes, it's been around for many years.
But instead of the early grainy, very low res, fuzzy, extended play VHS
images on worn-out tapes, it's now HD quality, sharp, clear, digital
images. Perhaps some are now 4k video quality?
How many would sir like ?
https://www.cctvcameraworld.com/4k-ip-cameras.html
I wonder how widely installed those are? Most installed cameras are well
behind the state-of-the-art.
All new vehicles (trains, buses, trams, etc) will have had them fitted
since they became available. Its older stock and fixed installations
that don't get changed so often. I expect there are still a few tube
cameras out there more than 30 years after CCD cameras became ubiquitous.
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dunno why youse guys in the UK aren't (constantly?) up in arms over
the seemingly massive surveillance you appear to live under.
Some are, but those don't get much coverage in the media.
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Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
--
Spud
Okay, you've got it off your chest. Be it noted that most of the vitims
of these punks are Muslims in Muslim majority countries. The daughters
of my next door neighbour but one call me "Uncle". I do not anticipate
that they will try to blow me up when they are older.
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If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
Okay, you've got it off your chest.  Be it noted that most of the vitims
of these punks are Muslims in Muslim majority countries.  The daughters
of my next door neighbour but one call me "Uncle".  I do not anticipate
that they will try to blow me up when they are older.
Are you sure it's not "uncool"? ;-)
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If it is terrorism then it'll almost certainly be down to followers of the
peaceful not in any way militant religion of islam.
Okay, you've got it off your chest. Be it noted that most of the
vitims of these punks are Muslims in Muslim majority countries. The
daughters of my next door neighbour but one call me "Uncle". I do not
anticipate that they will try to blow me up when they are older.
Are you sure it's not "uncool"? ;-)
Impossible.
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Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
Seen a picture of the device on twitter with wires hanging out.

And my money's on some jihadi fucker. We shall see.
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Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
Seen a picture of the device on twitter with wires hanging out.
And my money's on some jihadi fucker. We shall see.
That seems to be the current theory.
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Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
Seen a picture of the device on twitter with wires hanging out.
the device had a timer (apparently)

tim
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Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh.  It sounds like a chemical reaction.  We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
Seen a picture of the device on twitter with wires hanging out.
the device had a timer (apparently)
Maybe LU can find out how one works,
and fit them in their line control offices.
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Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
Seen a picture of the device on twitter with wires hanging out.
the device had a timer (apparently)
Maybe LU can find out how one works,
and fit them in their line control offices.
are we meant to understand that comment?

tim
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Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
Seen a picture of the device on twitter with wires hanging out.
the device had a timer (apparently)
Maybe LU can find out how one works,
and fit them in their line control offices.
are we meant to understand that comment?
Makes perfect sense to me. LU timetables are just fiction. Someone should
invest in buying the drivers and signalmen some watches at least. Oh, and
sack the idiot who thought playing "There is a good service on all lines"
every 5 minutes was a way to stop people noticing that there hasn't been a
train for the last 10 and there are now 1000 people on the platform waiting.

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Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
Seen a picture of the device on twitter with wires hanging out.
the device had a timer (apparently)
Maybe LU can find out how one works,
and fit them in their line control offices.
are we meant to understand that comment?
Makes perfect sense to me. LU timetables are just fiction. Someone should
invest in buying the drivers and signalmen some watches at least.
you mean that they don't have them (watches that is)?

And in any case, how does having a timer stop the delay happening in the
first place.

and how does it help fix the problem?

(Yes I do know how to fix it!)

tim
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Makes perfect sense to me. LU timetables are just fiction. Someone should
invest in buying the drivers and signalmen some watches at least.
you mean that they don't have them (watches that is)?
And in any case, how does having a timer stop the delay happening in the
first place.
Because as a couple of hundred people are sitting in a train with a green
light waiting for the relief driver to turn up to take over, perhaps having
an alarm bell in the mess might remind him that he's paid to drive the damn
thing.

Another nice-to-have would be an auto cutoff interval on the PA if the driver
decides he's a budding talk radio host and spends 2 minutes telling us the
bleedin fecking obvious.

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Makes perfect sense to me. LU timetables are just fiction. Someone should
invest in buying the drivers and signalmen some watches at least.
you mean that they don't have them (watches that is)?
And in any case, how does having a timer stop the delay happening in the
first place.
Because as a couple of hundred people are sitting in a train with a green
light waiting for the relief driver to turn up to take over, perhaps having
an alarm bell in the mess might remind him that he's paid to drive the damn
thing.
well having grown up on a route where turns started at the terminus (Morden)
I suppose that I never experienced that problem

But you're right it does happen on the Picc at Acton

But I still don't see that it's down to the individual not knowing the time.
They just do it because they can.

tim
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Because as a couple of hundred people are sitting in a train with a green
light waiting for the relief driver to turn up to take over, perhaps having
an alarm bell in the mess might remind him that he's paid to drive the damn
thing.
well having grown up on a route where turns started at the terminus (Morden)
I suppose that I never experienced that problem
Congratulations, you had utl post 80000 on the aioe server :)
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But you're right it does happen on the Picc at Acton
And arnos grove and no doubt rayners lane too.
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But I still don't see that it's down to the individual not knowing the time.
They just do it because they can.
Well thats probably true unfortunately.
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Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
Seen a picture of the device on twitter with wires hanging out.
the device had a timer (apparently)
Which, apparently is a first for jihadi nutters if it is so.
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Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh.  It sounds like a chemical reaction.  We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
Seen a picture of the device on twitter with wires hanging out.
the device had a timer (apparently)
Which, apparently is a first for jihadi nutters if it is so.
But not for Irish nutters.
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But not for Irish nutters.
The use of a timer is not a huge advancement of tech for the alan's
snackbar brigade, but it is unusual that they seem short of willing
martyrs. Assuming it's them and my money says it is (speculation of
course...)

Perhaps they are losing the ability to find dickheads willing to blow
themselves up?
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But not for Irish nutters.
The use of a timer is not a huge advancement of tech for the alan's
snackbar brigade, but it is unusual that they seem short of willing
martyrs. Assuming it's them and my money says it is (speculation of
course...)
Perhaps they are losing the ability to find dickheads willing to blow
themselves up?
Not on current evidence, this is the first attack in quite a while that
wasn't a suicide attack.[1] The exception, of course, being North
Ireland where there are still terrorist attacks involving bombs with
either timers or other ways of being detonated that don't involve the
death of the perpetrator.

[1] In fact I can't think of an attack since 911 by Islamic
fundamentalists in Europe/USA that wasn't a suicide attack.
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But not for Irish nutters.
The use of a timer is not a huge advancement of tech for the alan's
snackbar brigade, but it is unusual that they seem short of willing
martyrs. Assuming it's them and my money says it is (speculation of
course...)
Perhaps they are losing the ability to find dickheads willing to blow
themselves up?
Not on current evidence, this is the first attack in quite a while that
wasn't a suicide attack.[1] The exception, of course, being North
Ireland where there are still terrorist attacks involving bombs with
either timers or other ways of being detonated that don't involve the
death of the perpetrator.
[1] In fact I can't think of an attack since 911 by Islamic
fundamentalists in Europe/USA that wasn't a suicide attack.
What about the printer bombs?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_planes_bomb_plot

Or, pre-911, there was the Hindawi attempted bombing that led to the
subsequent additional airport questioning:
https://www.asi-mag.com/ann-marie-murphy-hindawi-affair-30th-anniversary-review/
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But not for Irish nutters.
The use of a timer is not a huge advancement of tech for the alan's
snackbar brigade, but it is unusual that they seem short of willing
martyrs. Assuming it's them and my money says it is (speculation of
course...)
Perhaps they are losing the ability to find dickheads willing to blow
themselves up?
Not on current evidence, this is the first attack in quite a while that
wasn't a suicide attack.[1] The exception, of course, being North
Ireland where there are still terrorist attacks involving bombs with
either timers or other ways of being detonated that don't involve the
death of the perpetrator.
[1] In fact I can't think of an attack since 911 by Islamic
fundamentalists in Europe/USA that wasn't a suicide attack.
What about the printer bombs?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_planes_bomb_plot
Good point, not subsequently attempted again and the perpetrator was
taken out by a crise missile IIRC.
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Or, pre-911, there was the Hindawi attempted bombing that led to the
https://www.asi-mag.com/ann-marie-murphy-hindawi-affair-30th-anniversary-review/
That was very much before 911 but wasn't a suicide attack as such. The
mule didn't know she was intended to be murdered.
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But not for Irish nutters.
The use of a timer is not a huge advancement of tech for the alan's
snackbar brigade, but it is unusual that they seem short of willing
martyrs. Assuming it's them and my money says it is (speculation of
course...)
Perhaps they are losing the ability to find dickheads willing to blow
themselves up?
Not on current evidence, this is the first attack in quite a while that
wasn't a suicide attack.[1] The exception, of course, being North
Ireland where there are still terrorist attacks involving bombs with
either timers or other ways of being detonated that don't involve the
death of the perpetrator.
[1] In fact I can't think of an attack since 911 by Islamic
fundamentalists in Europe/USA that wasn't a suicide attack.
What about the printer bombs?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_planes_bomb_plot
Good point, not subsequently attempted again and the perpetrator was
taken out by a crise missile IIRC.
Or perhaps not?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibrahim_al-Asiri#Reports_of_death
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Or, pre-911, there was the Hindawi attempted bombing that led to the
https://www.asi-mag.com/ann-marie-murphy-hindawi-affair-30th-anniversary-review/
That was very much before 911 but wasn't a suicide attack as such. The
mule didn't know she was intended to be murdered.
Yes, and that's why passengers subsequently were asked, "Were you given
anything? And did you pack it yourself?"
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But not for Irish nutters.
The use of a timer is not a huge advancement of tech for the alan's
snackbar brigade, but it is unusual that they seem short of willing
martyrs. Assuming it's them and my money says it is (speculation of
course...)
Perhaps they are losing the ability to find dickheads willing to blow
themselves up?
Not on current evidence, this is the first attack in quite a while that
wasn't a suicide attack.[1] The exception, of course, being North
Ireland where there are still terrorist attacks involving bombs with
either timers or other ways of being detonated that don't involve the
death of the perpetrator.
[1] In fact I can't think of an attack since 911 by Islamic
fundamentalists in Europe/USA that wasn't a suicide attack.
What about the printer bombs?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_planes_bomb_plot
Good point, not subsequently attempted again and the perpetrator was
taken out by a crise missile IIRC.
Or perhaps not?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibrahim_al-Asiri#Reports_of_death
It was Anwar al-Awlaki I was thinking of as the organiser, rather than
the maker.
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Or, pre-911, there was the Hindawi attempted bombing that led to the
https://www.asi-mag.com/ann-marie-murphy-hindawi-affair-30th-anniversary-review/
That was very much before 911 but wasn't a suicide attack as such. The
mule didn't know she was intended to be murdered.
Yes, and that's why passengers subsequently were asked, "Were you given
anything? And did you pack it yourself?"
Which lead to me making a formal complaint about the attitude of a
certain airline's check in staff (no, not that one). When asked the
statutory question about whether I'd packed my own bag, the female
chimed in before I could reply and said I probably got my wife to do it
as men can't pack their own bags.
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But not for Irish nutters.
The use of a timer is not a huge advancement of tech for the alan's
snackbar brigade, but it is unusual that they seem short of willing
martyrs. Assuming it's them and my money says it is (speculation of
course...)
Perhaps they are losing the ability to find dickheads willing to blow
themselves up?
Not on current evidence, this is the first attack in quite a while that
wasn't a suicide attack.[1] The exception, of course, being North
Ireland where there are still terrorist attacks involving bombs with
either timers or other ways of being detonated that don't involve the
death of the perpetrator.
[1] In fact I can't think of an attack since 911 by Islamic
fundamentalists in Europe/USA that wasn't a suicide attack.
There has been quite a bit of knife waving that has not always resulted
in being shot - thinking of Buck House for one. But yes, it's rare.

I suppose it's just possible the DUP/Tory deal has upset the IRA
splinters, but wouldn't they have access to professional grade explosives?
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The use of a timer is not a huge advancement of tech for the alan's
snackbar brigade, but it is unusual that they seem short of willing
martyrs. Assuming it's them and my money says it is (speculation of
course...)
Perhaps they are losing the ability to find dickheads willing to blow
themselves up?
Not on current evidence, this is the first attack in quite a while
that wasn't a suicide attack.[1]  The exception, of course, being
North Ireland where there are still terrorist attacks involving bombs
with either timers or other ways of being detonated that don't involve
the death of the perpetrator.
[1] In fact I can't think of an attack since 911 by Islamic
fundamentalists in Europe/USA that wasn't a suicide attack.
There has been quite a bit of knife waving that has not always resulted
in being shot - thinking of Buck House for one. But yes, it's rare.
I suppose it's just possible the DUP/Tory deal has upset the IRA
splinters
They have other concerns as well.
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but wouldn't they have access to professional grade explosives?
Possibly not these days. Has it been confirmed what the explosive was?

Still most likely to be IS inspired, they've been urging attacks on the
railways for a while now.
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But not for Irish nutters.
The use of a timer is not a huge advancement of tech for the alan's
snackbar brigade, but it is unusual that they seem short of willing
martyrs. Assuming it's them and my money says it is (speculation of
course...)
Perhaps they are losing the ability to find dickheads willing to blow
themselves up?
Not on current evidence, this is the first attack in quite a while that
wasn't a suicide attack.[1] The exception, of course, being North
Ireland where there are still terrorist attacks involving bombs with
either timers or other ways of being detonated that don't involve the
death of the perpetrator.
[1] In fact I can't think of an attack since 911 by Islamic
fundamentalists in Europe/USA that wasn't a suicide attack.
I think the Barcelona cell might also have been planning timer bombs, but
managed to blow themselves up while making them. Even suicidal jihadis
might want to plant more than one bomb each. Another post-911 train timer
bombing was in Madrid:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings
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But not for Irish nutters.
The use of a timer is not a huge advancement of tech for the alan's
snackbar brigade, but it is unusual that they seem short of willing
martyrs. Assuming it's them and my money says it is (speculation of
course...)
Perhaps they are losing the ability to find dickheads willing to blow
themselves up?
Not on current evidence, this is the first attack in quite a while that
wasn't a suicide attack.[1] The exception, of course, being North
Ireland where there are still terrorist attacks involving bombs with
either timers or other ways of being detonated that don't involve the
death of the perpetrator.
[1] In fact I can't think of an attack since 911 by Islamic
fundamentalists in Europe/USA that wasn't a suicide attack.
I think the Barcelona cell might also have been planning timer bombs, but
managed to blow themselves up while making them. Even suicidal jihadis
might want to plant more than one bomb each.
Still intend suicide to get their hands on all those virgins…

Another post-911 train timer
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings
That is an exception.
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Other than "attempted suicide-by-cop", how would you characterise the
Lee Rigby attack?
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Other than "attempted suicide-by-cop", how would you characterise the
Lee Rigby attack?
As suicide by cop, they made no attempt to make a getaway after the murder.
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The use of a timer is not a huge advancement of tech for the alan's
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martyrs. Assuming it's them and my money says it is (speculation of
course...)
alan's snackbar brigade?

tim
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The use of a timer is not a huge advancement of tech for the alan's
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martyrs. Assuming it's them and my money says it is (speculation of
course...)
alan's snackbar brigade?
It's a homophone of a well know phrase jihadi nutters like to shout :)
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Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh.  It sounds like a chemical reaction.  We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
Seen a picture of the device on twitter with wires hanging out.
the device had a timer (apparently)
Which, apparently is a first for jihadi nutters if it is so.
But not for Irish nutters.
Or US nutters, the construction apparently being similar to the Boston
Marathon bombings :-
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/parsons-green-tube-bomber-inspired-11176982

or just plain home grown nutters who like killing people for some
vague reason.
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It's just some mental midget. ISIS would be embarrassed by such a device.
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Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
Seen a picture of the device on twitter with wires hanging out.
And my money's on some jihadi fucker. We shall see.
An uncle of mine was an army officer and did time against Christian
terrorists in Cyprus.
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2017-09-17 00:04:50 UTC
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On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 07:55:38 +0100, Martin Edwards
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Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
Seen a picture of the device on twitter with wires hanging out.
And my money's on some jihadi fucker. We shall see.
An uncle of mine was an army officer and did time against Christian
terrorists in Cyprus.
One would expect that an uncle, were he such, would be yours!

Maybe, he was just one of your uncles.

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Martin Edwards
2017-09-17 06:52:30 UTC
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On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 07:55:38 +0100, Martin Edwards
Post by Martin Edwards
Post by Tim Watts
Post by e27002 aurora
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Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
Seen a picture of the device on twitter with wires hanging out.
And my money's on some jihadi fucker. We shall see.
An uncle of mine was an army officer and did time against Christian
terrorists in Cyprus.
One would expect that an uncle, were he such, would be yours!
Maybe, he was just one of your uncles.
<ducks>
Yes, the other is still alive and in a bad way. Please don't make fun.
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Charles Ellson
2017-09-15 17:13:43 UTC
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Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
There are reports of folks leaving the station with burns on exposed
flesh. It sounds like a chemical reaction. We can but hope it's not
"the religion of piece" proselytizing.
You mean the crap Trump has come out with while poking his nose into
our business ?
Roland Perry
2017-09-15 08:45:01 UTC
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Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
Or a Galaxy Note 7.
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2017-09-15 09:05:37 UTC
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Looks like it could be an improvised device, or some builders chemicals that
overheated. Hopefully the latter but seems unlikely to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545
It had wires sticking out, so probably the former.
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2017-09-17 15:56:10 UTC
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It took quite a while to be made public. Don't know how long
footage is kept on modern CCTV but doubt it is more than week at
the outside.
Yes, that may be the weak link.
Usually 30 days.
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Colin Rosenstiel
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2017-09-18 11:51:03 UTC
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This is a very personal issue for me.
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