Discussion:
Paddington C5 program
(too old to reply)
b***@cylonHQ.com
2017-10-24 08:43:16 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
A series about Paddington station started last night. They showed video of
the HST derailment there along with recovery efforts which was pretty
interesting and enlightening (especially the poor track workers having to
work in human waste). Apparently the cause was track spread due to rotten
sleepers. You'd think someone might have checked but I guess they didn't expect
much to happen at 5mph.
Recliner
2017-10-24 08:51:24 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by b***@cylonHQ.com
A series about Paddington station started last night. They showed video of
the HST derailment there along with recovery efforts which was pretty
interesting and enlightening (especially the poor track workers having to
work in human waste). Apparently the cause was track spread due to rotten
sleepers. You'd think someone might have checked but I guess they didn't expect
much to happen at 5mph.
The series actually started about a month ago.
d***@yahoo.co.uk
2017-10-24 09:28:13 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 08:51:24 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
Post by Recliner
Post by b***@cylonHQ.com
A series about Paddington station started last night. They showed video of
the HST derailment there along with recovery efforts which was pretty
interesting and enlightening (especially the poor track workers having to
work in human waste). Apparently the cause was track spread due to rotten
sleepers. You'd think someone might have checked but I guess they didn't expect
much to happen at 5mph.
The series actually started about a month ago.
The way these TV companies describe their series is not always clear.
I think on our PVR guide the present episodes are described as new in
a manner that on first glance may look like it is a new series being
introduced, when what they must mean it is a new episode.
But this isn't consistent, Coronation Street etc don't get described
as New Coronation street for every episode.
New can also mean "New" to a particular channel and you find yourself
watching something shown on another previously.

If the TV companies are doing this to tempt people to watch these
programmes then in my case it has backfired as I no longer trust them
and watch far less TV than I used to.
What I do watch it usually recorded on the PVR and more gets deleted
than viewed. The odd programme that slips by is usually available by
one of the catchup services anyway but if I don't see something it's
not as if it is life threatening.

G.Harman
Roland Perry
2017-10-24 09:46:46 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
The way these TV companies describe their series is not always clear.
I think on our PVR guide the present episodes are described as new in
a manner that on first glance may look like it is a new series being
introduced, when what they must mean it is a new episode.
Then there's the curious concept of "all new" TV programmes.

Anyway, I'm watching the Paddington series on Ch5 catch-up, and while
the derailed train has shown up in trailers attached to earlier
programmes in the series, I haven't got as far as this actual episode
yet.
--
Roland Perry
b***@cylonHQ.com
2017-10-24 09:29:53 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 08:51:24 -0000 (UTC)
Post by b***@cylonHQ.com
Post by b***@cylonHQ.com
A series about Paddington station started last night. They showed video of
the HST derailment there along with recovery efforts which was pretty
interesting and enlightening (especially the poor track workers having to
work in human waste). Apparently the cause was track spread due to rotten
sleepers. You'd think someone might have checked but I guess they didn't
expect
Post by b***@cylonHQ.com
much to happen at 5mph.
The series actually started about a month ago.
What can I say, I don't watch much TV. It said it was new on the schedule, I
guess they just meant the program, not the series.
Someone Somewhere
2017-10-24 10:01:55 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by b***@cylonHQ.com
A series about Paddington station started last night. They showed video of
the HST derailment there along with recovery efforts which was pretty
interesting and enlightening (especially the poor track workers having to
work in human waste). Apparently the cause was track spread due to rotten
sleepers. You'd think someone might have checked but I guess they didn't expect
much to happen at 5mph.
Strangely enough it was one of the few bits of TV I've watched recently
and I agree it was pretty interesting.

I do wonder with Paddington (and other covered stations where there will
be no weather to deal with the waste) whether it would be possible to
have installed some form of drainage underneath where the toilets are
when the train stops (I know it's not exact, but some kind of trough in
the rough location with a flushing mechanism could do the job and not
leave it festering).

Or of course retrofit the trains with storage tanks....
b***@cylonHQ.com
2017-10-24 10:10:22 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 11:01:55 +0100
Post by b***@cylonHQ.com
Post by b***@cylonHQ.com
A series about Paddington station started last night. They showed video of
the HST derailment there along with recovery efforts which was pretty
interesting and enlightening (especially the poor track workers having to
work in human waste). Apparently the cause was track spread due to rotten
sleepers. You'd think someone might have checked but I guess they didn't
expect
Post by b***@cylonHQ.com
much to happen at 5mph.
Strangely enough it was one of the few bits of TV I've watched recently
and I agree it was pretty interesting.
I do wonder with Paddington (and other covered stations where there will
be no weather to deal with the waste) whether it would be possible to
have installed some form of drainage underneath where the toilets are
when the train stops (I know it's not exact, but some kind of trough in
the rough location with a flushing mechanism could do the job and not
leave it festering).
Or just have the toilets locked out of use at termini.
Post by b***@cylonHQ.com
Or of course retrofit the trains with storage tanks....
That would be the best solution, or at the very least something that captures
the solid waste but lets the fluids out if space is an issue.
Graeme Wall
2017-10-24 15:29:55 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by b***@cylonHQ.com
On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 11:01:55 +0100
Post by b***@cylonHQ.com
Post by b***@cylonHQ.com
A series about Paddington station started last night. They showed video of
the HST derailment there along with recovery efforts which was pretty
interesting and enlightening (especially the poor track workers having to
work in human waste). Apparently the cause was track spread due to rotten
sleepers. You'd think someone might have checked but I guess they didn't
expect
Post by b***@cylonHQ.com
much to happen at 5mph.
Strangely enough it was one of the few bits of TV I've watched recently
and I agree it was pretty interesting.
I do wonder with Paddington (and other covered stations where there will
be no weather to deal with the waste) whether it would be possible to
have installed some form of drainage underneath where the toilets are
when the train stops (I know it's not exact, but some kind of trough in
the rough location with a flushing mechanism could do the job and not
leave it festering).
Or just have the toilets locked out of use at termini.
"Do not use the adjacent apparatus while the train is standing in the
station."
--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.
d***@yahoo.co.uk
2017-10-24 11:09:41 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 11:01:55 +0100, Someone Somewhere
Post by Someone Somewhere
I do wonder with Paddington (and other covered stations where there will
be no weather to deal with the waste) whether it would be possible to
have installed some form of drainage underneath where the toilets are
when the train stops (I know it's not exact, but some kind of trough in
the rough location with a flushing mechanism could do the job and not
leave it festering).
Or of course retrofit the trains with storage tanks....
What trains are left without now? HST with only a few more years use
and what else. So a problem that has been around for over a century
isn't really worth spending much money on for the last few years that
the situation exists.
It's something that should have been dealt with years ago, though
people were a bit more attuned to reading and obeying the signs "Do
Not Flush in Station" than in recent times. The problem has become
worse since most passengers are used to toilet facilities where it
doesn't matter plus the attitudes of a lot of people today where any
request is regarded as an affront to their human rights to do what
they like when they like.
Even so the tracks were never completely clean,
without getting too disgusting perhaps a layer of hot ashes being
dropped regularly left a more acceptable appearance than an emulsion
of oil and faeces.

G.Harman
Someone Somewhere
2017-10-24 12:12:46 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 11:01:55 +0100, Someone Somewhere
Post by Someone Somewhere
I do wonder with Paddington (and other covered stations where there will
be no weather to deal with the waste) whether it would be possible to
have installed some form of drainage underneath where the toilets are
when the train stops (I know it's not exact, but some kind of trough in
the rough location with a flushing mechanism could do the job and not
leave it festering).
Or of course retrofit the trains with storage tanks....
What trains are left without now? HST with only a few more years use
and what else. So a problem that has been around for over a century
isn't really worth spending much money on for the last few years that
the situation exists.
Yes - sorry - I meant to imply in the distant past rather than recently
(in my defence I did say "to have installed" rather than in the current
or future tense)
d***@yahoo.co.uk
2017-10-24 13:38:38 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 13:12:46 +0100, Someone Somewhere
Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
Post by Someone Somewhere
I do wonder with Paddington (and other covered stations where there will
be no weather to deal with the waste) whether it would be possible to
have installed some form of drainage underneath where the toilets are
when the train stops (I know it's not exact, but some kind of trough in
the rough location with a flushing mechanism could do the job and not
leave it festering).
Or of course retrofit the trains with storage tanks....
So a problem that has been around for over a century
Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
isn't really worth spending much money on for the last few years that
the situation exists.
Yes - sorry - I meant to imply in the distant past rather than recently
(in my defence I did say "to have installed"
Ah, so you did.

Perhaps there could have been a solution worthy of Basil Jets
(Bazalgette appropriately) inventive mind . If the track was level lay
a water trough and use the tender pickup . might have to do boiler
cleaning more often and even though the water was boiled may have put
footplate staff off their brew.
Actually a flush or two must have ended up in water troughs anyway.
G.Harman
Roland Perry
2017-10-24 13:08:53 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
Post by Someone Somewhere
Or of course retrofit the trains with storage tanks....
What trains are left without now? HST with only a few more years use
and what else.
IC225? (Yes, I know, they don't operate at Paddington).
--
Roland Perry
Anna Noyd-Dryver
2017-10-24 13:27:32 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Roland Perry
Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
Post by Someone Somewhere
Or of course retrofit the trains with storage tanks....
What trains are left without now? HST with only a few more years use
and what else.
IC225? (Yes, I know, they don't operate at Paddington).
Weren't they built with retention tanks?


Anna Noyd-Dryver
Roland Perry
2017-10-24 14:06:06 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Anna Noyd-Dryver
Post by Roland Perry
Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
Post by Someone Somewhere
Or of course retrofit the trains with storage tanks....
What trains are left without now? HST with only a few more years use
and what else.
IC225? (Yes, I know, they don't operate at Paddington).
Weren't they built with retention tanks?
It seems they were.
--
Roland Perry
BirchangerKen
2017-10-25 10:03:09 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Roland Perry
Post by d***@yahoo.co.uk
Post by Someone Somewhere
Or of course retrofit the trains with storage tanks....
What trains are left without now? HST with only a few more years use
and what else.
IC225? (Yes, I know, they don't operate at Paddington).
317 (which did, once, have tanks).

What about pacers/sprinters?

r***@cix.compulink.co.uk
2017-10-24 21:04:54 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Someone Somewhere
Post by b***@cylonHQ.com
A series about Paddington station started last night. They showed video
of the HST derailment there along with recovery efforts which was pretty
interesting and enlightening (especially the poor track workers having
to work in human waste). Apparently the cause was track spread due to
rotten sleepers. You'd think someone might have checked but I guess they
didn't expect much to happen at 5mph.
Strangely enough it was one of the few bits of TV I've watched
recently and I agree it was pretty interesting.
I do wonder with Paddington (and other covered stations where there
will be no weather to deal with the waste) whether it would be
possible to have installed some form of drainage underneath where the
toilets are when the train stops (I know it's not exact, but some
kind of trough in the rough location with a flushing mechanism could
do the job and not leave it festering).
Or of course retrofit the trains with storage tanks....
I don't know about Paddington but I've seen large metal trays in the 4 foot
at other stations, presumably to catch some of the debris. However, the
Paddington derailment was out of the platforms so trays in the platforms
wouldn't help, presumably.
--
Colin Rosenstiel
Roland Perry
2017-10-25 07:01:25 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by r***@cix.compulink.co.uk
Post by Someone Somewhere
Post by b***@cylonHQ.com
A series about Paddington station started last night. They showed video
of the HST derailment there along with recovery efforts which was pretty
interesting and enlightening (especially the poor track workers having
to work in human waste). Apparently the cause was track spread due to
rotten sleepers. You'd think someone might have checked but I guess they
didn't expect much to happen at 5mph.
Strangely enough it was one of the few bits of TV I've watched
recently and I agree it was pretty interesting.
I do wonder with Paddington (and other covered stations where there
will be no weather to deal with the waste) whether it would be
possible to have installed some form of drainage underneath where the
toilets are when the train stops (I know it's not exact, but some
kind of trough in the rough location with a flushing mechanism could
do the job and not leave it festering).
Or of course retrofit the trains with storage tanks....
I don't know about Paddington but I've seen large metal trays in the 4 foot
at other stations, presumably to catch some of the debris. However, the
Paddington derailment was out of the platforms
No it wasn't:

<http://metro.co.uk/2017/08/20/train-derails-as-it-leaves-london-
paddington-station-6865539/>
Post by r***@cix.compulink.co.uk
so trays in the platforms wouldn't help, presumably.
--
Roland Perry
m***@hotmail.com
2017-10-24 21:30:00 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 11:01:55 +0100, Someone Somewhere
Post by Someone Somewhere
Post by b***@cylonHQ.com
A series about Paddington station started last night. They showed video of
the HST derailment there along with recovery efforts which was pretty
interesting and enlightening (especially the poor track workers having to
work in human waste). Apparently the cause was track spread due to rotten
sleepers. You'd think someone might have checked but I guess they didn't expect
much to happen at 5mph.
Strangely enough it was one of the few bits of TV I've watched recently
and I agree it was pretty interesting.
I do wonder with Paddington (and other covered stations where there will
be no weather to deal with the waste) whether it would be possible to
have installed some form of drainage underneath where the toilets are
when the train stops (I know it's not exact, but some kind of trough in
the rough location with a flushing mechanism could do the job and not
leave it festering).
I woukd have thought it would be an ideal location for concrete slab
track. They could have put a drainage channel up the middle so it
woukd just need a quick hose down. The program mentioned having to
break up concrete to remove the sleepers anyway. Anyone know why
timber longitudinal sleepers are in use in parts of Paddington?

---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com
r***@cix.compulink.co.uk
2017-10-24 21:04:53 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by b***@cylonHQ.com
A series about Paddington station started last night. They showed video of
the HST derailment there along with recovery efforts which was pretty
interesting and enlightening (especially the poor track workers having to
work in human waste). Apparently the cause was track spread due to rotten
sleepers. You'd think someone might have checked but I guess they didn't
expect much to happen at 5mph.
The problem wasn't just the rotten sleepers but whoever thought that right
next to the trap points was a good place to locate a vital electrification
gantry.
--
Colin Rosenstiel
Graham Murray
2017-10-25 05:23:51 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by r***@cix.compulink.co.uk
Post by b***@cylonHQ.com
A series about Paddington station started last night. They showed video of
the HST derailment there along with recovery efforts which was pretty
interesting and enlightening (especially the poor track workers having to
work in human waste). Apparently the cause was track spread due to rotten
sleepers. You'd think someone might have checked but I guess they didn't
expect much to happen at 5mph.
The problem wasn't just the rotten sleepers but whoever thought that right
next to the trap points was a good place to locate a vital electrification
gantry.
I think you are referring to a different derailment. This one was where
the rear power car of an HST derailed as it was pulling out of platform
2. Not the one where an incoming ECS 'turbo' SPAd'd when approaching
platform 1.
r***@cix.compulink.co.uk
2017-10-25 08:49:29 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Graham Murray
Post by r***@cix.compulink.co.uk
Post by b***@cylonHQ.com
A series about Paddington station started last night. They showed video
of the HST derailment there along with recovery efforts which was
pretty interesting and enlightening (especially the poor track workers
having to work in human waste). Apparently the cause was track spread
due to rotten sleepers. You'd think someone might have checked but I
guess they didn't expect much to happen at 5mph.
The problem wasn't just the rotten sleepers but whoever thought
that right next to the trap points was a good place to locate a
vital electrification gantry.
I think you are referring to a different derailment. This one was where
the rear power car of an HST derailed as it was pulling out of platform
2. Not the one where an incoming ECS 'turbo' SPAd'd when approaching
platform 1.
Oh, yes! Silly me!
--
Colin Rosenstiel
Loading...