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Basil Jet
2017-02-09 07:48:39 UTC
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Does anyone know when Barbican ceased to be served by Thameslink trains
FROM Moorgate? All of the web resources suggest that Barbican was served
by Thameslink trains in both directions until 2009, but I know that
platform 4 was out of use for at least a decade before the junction at
Farringdon closed.
s***@potato.field
2017-02-09 09:29:09 UTC
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Post by Basil Jet
Does anyone know when Barbican ceased to be served by Thameslink trains
FROM Moorgate? All of the web resources suggest that Barbican was served
by Thameslink trains in both directions until 2009, but I know that
platform 4 was out of use for at least a decade before the junction at
Farringdon closed.
Sounds reasonable. I used to use the circle line about 15 years ago and
P4 was out of use even then.

On a related note, does anyone know the fate of that branch? Are LU still
going to take it over and use it for sidings when crossrail is done, or has
that fallen by the wayside?
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Charles Ellson
2017-02-09 19:44:13 UTC
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Post by Basil Jet
Does anyone know when Barbican ceased to be served by Thameslink trains
FROM Moorgate? All of the web resources suggest that Barbican was served
by Thameslink trains in both directions until 2009, but I know that
platform 4 was out of use for at least a decade before the junction at
Farringdon closed.
Sounds reasonable. I used to use the circle line about 15 years ago and
P4 was out of use even then.
On a related note, does anyone know the fate of that branch? Are LU still
going to take it over and use it for sidings when crossrail is done, or has
that fallen by the wayside?
Some has been built over, some is used for storage and ISTR might be
used for additional sidings.
Basil Jet
2017-02-09 20:17:10 UTC
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Post by Basil Jet
Does anyone know when Barbican ceased to be served by Thameslink trains
FROM Moorgate? All of the web resources suggest that Barbican was served
by Thameslink trains in both directions until 2009, but I know that
platform 4 was out of use for at least a decade before the junction at
Farringdon closed.
Sounds reasonable. I used to use the circle line about 15 years ago and
P4 was out of use even then.
On a related note, does anyone know the fate of that branch? Are LU still
going to take it over and use it for sidings when crossrail is done, or has
that fallen by the wayside?
Some has been built over, some is used for storage and ISTR might be
used for additional sidings.
At some point there were plans for an escalator bank from Barbican
Circle station to the Farringdon/Barbican Crossrail station to cut
through the abandoned tracks. I'm not sure if that is in the final plan.
Richard J.
2017-02-09 21:58:28 UTC
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Post by Basil Jet
Does anyone know when Barbican ceased to be served by Thameslink trains
FROM Moorgate? All of the web resources suggest that Barbican was served
by Thameslink trains in both directions until 2009, but I know that
platform 4 was out of use for at least a decade before the junction at
Farringdon closed.
Sounds reasonable. I used to use the circle line about 15 years ago and
P4 was out of use even then.
On a related note, does anyone know the fate of that branch? Are LU still
going to take it over and use it for sidings when crossrail is done, or has
that fallen by the wayside?
Some has been built over, some is used for storage and ISTR might be
used for additional sidings.
At some point there were plans for an escalator bank from Barbican
Circle station to the Farringdon/Barbican Crossrail station to cut
through the abandoned tracks. I'm not sure if that is in the final plan.
There is certainly an eastern ticket hall for Farringdon Crossrail which
is now being constructed and will be adjacent to Barbican station. I've
seen no details of its connection to the Underground platforms. Current
progress is detailed at
http://www.crossrail.co.uk/route/stations/farringdon/current-works/

There's a lot of interesting stuff on London Reconnections that I
haven't got time to investigate at the moment. See
http://www.londonreconnections.com/2012/london-terminals-fullsome-farringdon-part-1/
for example.
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Recliner
2017-02-11 16:24:15 UTC
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Post by Basil Jet
Does anyone know when Barbican ceased to be served by Thameslink trains
FROM Moorgate? All of the web resources suggest that Barbican was served
by Thameslink trains in both directions until 2009, but I know that
platform 4 was out of use for at least a decade before the junction at
Farringdon closed.
Sounds reasonable. I used to use the circle line about 15 years ago and
P4 was out of use even then.
On a related note, does anyone know the fate of that branch? Are LU still
going to take it over and use it for sidings when crossrail is done, or has
that fallen by the wayside?
Some has been built over, some is used for storage and ISTR might be
used for additional sidings.
Seen on Twitter today -- new LU sidings being built at Farringdon:

Track renewals at Farringdon - first phase installation of a new modular
double junction and sidings roads

<https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4YhuGaWIAA6BE9?format=jpg&name=large>
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2017-02-11 19:10:43 UTC
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Does anyone know when Barbican ceased to be served by Thameslink
trains FROM Moorgate? All of the web resources suggest that Barbican
was served by Thameslink trains in both directions until 2009, but I
know that platform 4 was out of use for at least a decade before the
junction at Farringdon closed.
Sounds reasonable. I used to use the circle line about 15 years ago and
P4 was out of use even then.
On a related note, does anyone know the fate of that branch? Are LU
still going to take it over and use it for sidings when crossrail is
done, or has that fallen by the wayside?
Some has been built over, some is used for storage and ISTR might be
used for additional sidings.
Track renewals at Farringdon - first phase installation of a new modular
double junction and sidings roads
<https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4YhuGaWIAA6BE9?format=jpg&name=large>
Replacing earlier sidings which were taken up because they were too short,
surely?
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Recliner
2017-02-11 22:38:02 UTC
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Does anyone know when Barbican ceased to be served by Thameslink
trains FROM Moorgate? All of the web resources suggest that Barbican
was served by Thameslink trains in both directions until 2009, but I
know that platform 4 was out of use for at least a decade before the
junction at Farringdon closed.
Sounds reasonable. I used to use the circle line about 15 years ago and
P4 was out of use even then.
On a related note, does anyone know the fate of that branch? Are LU
still going to take it over and use it for sidings when crossrail is
done, or has that fallen by the wayside?
Some has been built over, some is used for storage and ISTR might be
used for additional sidings.
Track renewals at Farringdon - first phase installation of a new modular
double junction and sidings roads
<https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4YhuGaWIAA6BE9?format=jpg&name=large>
Replacing earlier sidings which were taken up because they were too short,
surely?
Yes, I think so. Presumably there's now room for longer ones, with the WL
tracks gone.
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Post by Basil Jet
Does anyone know when Barbican ceased to be served by Thameslink
trains FROM Moorgate? All of the web resources suggest that Barbican
was served by Thameslink trains in both directions until 2009, but I
know that platform 4 was out of use for at least a decade before the
junction at Farringdon closed.
Sounds reasonable. I used to use the circle line about 15 years ago
and P4 was out of use even then.
On a related note, does anyone know the fate of that branch? Are LU
still going to take it over and use it for sidings when crossrail is
done, or has that fallen by the wayside?
Some has been built over, some is used for storage and ISTR might be
used for additional sidings.
Track renewals at Farringdon - first phase installation of a new
modular double junction and sidings roads
<https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4YhuGaWIAA6BE9?format=jpg&name=large>
Replacing earlier sidings which were taken up because they were too
short, surely?
Yes, I think so. Presumably there's now room for longer ones, with the WL
tracks gone.
Presumably but it's not clear to me from the angle of the shot where the
sidings will end up.
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Post by Basil Jet
Does anyone know when Barbican ceased to be served by Thameslink
trains FROM Moorgate? All of the web resources suggest that Barbican
was served by Thameslink trains in both directions until 2009, but I
know that platform 4 was out of use for at least a decade before the
junction at Farringdon closed.
Sounds reasonable. I used to use the circle line about 15 years ago
and P4 was out of use even then.
On a related note, does anyone know the fate of that branch? Are LU
still going to take it over and use it for sidings when crossrail is
done, or has that fallen by the wayside?
Some has been built over, some is used for storage and ISTR might be
used for additional sidings.
Track renewals at Farringdon - first phase installation of a new
modular double junction and sidings roads
<https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4YhuGaWIAA6BE9?format=jpg&name=large>
Replacing earlier sidings which were taken up because they were too
short, surely?
Yes, I think so. Presumably there's now room for longer ones, with the WL
tracks gone.
Presumably but it's not clear to me from the angle of the shot where the
sidings will end up.
More pics:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4ZxRUeXUAEGWBU?format=jpg&name=large
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Does anyone know when Barbican ceased to be served by Thameslink
trains FROM Moorgate? All of the web resources suggest that
Barbican was served by Thameslink trains in both directions until
2009, but I know that platform 4 was out of use for at least a
decade before the junction at Farringdon closed.
Sounds reasonable. I used to use the circle line about 15 years ago
and P4 was out of use even then.
On a related note, does anyone know the fate of that branch? Are LU
still going to take it over and use it for sidings when crossrail
is done, or has that fallen by the wayside?
Some has been built over, some is used for storage and ISTR might be
used for additional sidings.
Track renewals at Farringdon - first phase installation of a new
modular double junction and sidings roads
<https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4YhuGaWIAA6BE9?format=jpg&name=large>
Replacing earlier sidings which were taken up because they were too
short, surely?
Yes, I think so. Presumably there's now room for longer ones, with the
WL tracks gone.
Presumably but it's not clear to me from the angle of the shot
where the sidings will end up.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4ZxRUeXUAEGWBU?format=jpg&name=large
Is that Farringdon in the background of the first two of those pictures?
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Does anyone know when Barbican ceased to be served by Thameslink
trains FROM Moorgate? All of the web resources suggest that
Barbican was served by Thameslink trains in both directions until
2009, but I know that platform 4 was out of use for at least a
decade before the junction at Farringdon closed.
Sounds reasonable. I used to use the circle line about 15 years ago
and P4 was out of use even then.
On a related note, does anyone know the fate of that branch? Are LU
still going to take it over and use it for sidings when crossrail
is done, or has that fallen by the wayside?
Some has been built over, some is used for storage and ISTR might be
used for additional sidings.
Track renewals at Farringdon - first phase installation of a new
modular double junction and sidings roads
<https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4YhuGaWIAA6BE9?format=jpg&name=large>
Replacing earlier sidings which were taken up because they were too
short, surely?
Yes, I think so. Presumably there's now room for longer ones, with the
WL tracks gone.
Presumably but it's not clear to me from the angle of the shot
where the sidings will end up.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4ZxRUeXUAEGWBU?format=jpg&name=large
Is that Farringdon in the background of the first two of those pictures?
Yes, that's where this weekend's work is. I don't think LU has any use for
the CWL formation for its tracks east of that area. Any of the former track
bed not needed by Crossrail will no doubt find a commercial use between
Barbican and Moorgate.
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Is that Farringdon in the background of the first two of those pictures?
Yes, that's where this weekend's work is. I don't think LU has any use for
the CWL formation for its tracks east of that area. Any of the former track
bed not needed by Crossrail will no doubt find a commercial use between
Barbican and Moorgate.
That seems a bit shortsighted IMO. There's always a use for a new diversion
line, stabling and reversing facilities for when the circle craps out again.
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Is that Farringdon in the background of the first two of those pictures?
Yes, that's where this weekend's work is. I don't think LU has any use for
the CWL formation for its tracks east of that area. Any of the former track
bed not needed by Crossrail will no doubt find a commercial use between
Barbican and Moorgate.
That seems a bit shortsighted IMO. There's always a use for a new diversion
line, stabling and reversing facilities for when the circle craps out again.
That's what they're reinstating at Farringdon. They already have a
spare (reversing) platform at Moorgate.
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Is that Farringdon in the background of the first two of those pictures?
Yes, that's where this weekend's work is. I don't think LU has any use for
the CWL formation for its tracks east of that area. Any of the former track
bed not needed by Crossrail will no doubt find a commercial use between
Barbican and Moorgate.
That seems a bit shortsighted IMO. There's always a use for a new diversion
line, stabling and reversing facilities for when the circle craps out again.
That's what they're reinstating at Farringdon. They already have a
spare (reversing) platform at Moorgate.
2 IIRC. But they're not much use if a train breaks down between moorgate and
farringdon. Since the right of way is there and most of the track is there
it seems foolish to me to bin them.
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