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Circle suspended but not Hammersmith & City
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Jarle Hammen Knudsen
2017-04-13 16:17:11 UTC
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CIRCLE LINE: Good Friday 14, Saturday 15, Sunday 16 and Easter Monday
17 April, no service between Hammersmith and Edgware Road.

HAMMERSMITH & CITY LINE: Good Friday 14, Saturday 15, Sunday 16 and
Easter Monday 17 April, no service between Liverpool Street and
Barking. Trains will operate between Hammersmith and Aldgate.

Why is the Circle suspended, but not the Hammersmith & City? Don't
they share tracks?
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jhk
r***@ntlworld.com
2017-04-13 22:42:21 UTC
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Post by Jarle Hammen Knudsen
CIRCLE LINE: Good Friday 14, Saturday 15, Sunday 16 and Easter Monday
17 April, no service between Hammersmith and Edgware Road.
HAMMERSMITH & CITY LINE: Good Friday 14, Saturday 15, Sunday 16 and
Easter Monday 17 April, no service between Liverpool Street and
Barking. Trains will operate between Hammersmith and Aldgate.
Why is the Circle suspended, but not the Hammersmith & City? Don't
they share tracks?
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jhk
Well, as a guess, I'd say that as there is no service
between Liverpool Street and Barking, Hammersmith & City
Line trains will fill out the schedule to Hammersmith so
there will be no need and no requirement for Circle Line
trains to provide the same service.
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Jarle Hammen Knudsen
2017-04-14 10:34:57 UTC
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CIRCLE LINE: Good Friday 14, Saturday 15, Sunday 16 and Easter Monday
17 April, no service between Hammersmith and Edgware Road.
HAMMERSMITH & CITY LINE: Good Friday 14, Saturday 15, Sunday 16 and
Easter Monday 17 April, no service between Liverpool Street and
Barking. Trains will operate between Hammersmith and Aldgate.
Why is the Circle suspended, but not the Hammersmith & City? Don't
they share tracks?
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jhk
Well, as a guess, I'd say that as there is no service
between Liverpool Street and Barking, Hammersmith & City
Line trains will fill out the schedule to Hammersmith so
there will be no need and no requirement for Circle Line
trains to provide the same service.
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The "Weekend travel information" email says the reason for the Circle
suspension is to test new signalling. Will the Hammersmith & City line
trains run with the new signalling then?
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jhk
Recliner
2017-04-14 11:20:03 UTC
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On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 12:34:57 +0200, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
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CIRCLE LINE: Good Friday 14, Saturday 15, Sunday 16 and Easter Monday
17 April, no service between Hammersmith and Edgware Road.
HAMMERSMITH & CITY LINE: Good Friday 14, Saturday 15, Sunday 16 and
Easter Monday 17 April, no service between Liverpool Street and
Barking. Trains will operate between Hammersmith and Aldgate.
Why is the Circle suspended, but not the Hammersmith & City? Don't
they share tracks?
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jhk
Well, as a guess, I'd say that as there is no service
between Liverpool Street and Barking, Hammersmith & City
Line trains will fill out the schedule to Hammersmith so
there will be no need and no requirement for Circle Line
trains to provide the same service.
to
The "Weekend travel information" email says the reason for the Circle
suspension is to test new signalling. Will the Hammersmith & City line
trains run with the new signalling then?
They're exactly the same trains, so, no, not with passengers on board.
My guess is that the signalling test is on a part of the Circle line
that's closed this long Easter weekend.
Someone Somewhere
2017-04-14 13:09:07 UTC
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On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 12:34:57 +0200, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
Post by Jarle Hammen Knudsen
The "Weekend travel information" email says the reason for the Circle
suspension is to test new signalling. Will the Hammersmith & City line
trains run with the new signalling then?
They're exactly the same trains, so, no, not with passengers on board.
My guess is that the signalling test is on a part of the Circle line
that's closed this long Easter weekend.
Yes - but as pointed out there is no part of the Circle Line that is
closed that isn't shared with the Hammersmith and City line which is open.
Recliner
2017-04-14 13:53:28 UTC
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On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 12:34:57 +0200, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
Post by Jarle Hammen Knudsen
The "Weekend travel information" email says the reason for the Circle
suspension is to test new signalling. Will the Hammersmith & City line
trains run with the new signalling then?
They're exactly the same trains, so, no, not with passengers on board.
My guess is that the signalling test is on a part of the Circle line
that's closed this long Easter weekend.
Yes - but as pointed out there is no part of the Circle Line that is
closed that isn't shared with the Hammersmith and City line which is open.
So does that mean the Circle Line is actually a circle line this weekend?
Basil Jet
2017-04-14 14:28:12 UTC
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On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 12:34:57 +0200, Jarle Hammen Knudsen
Post by Jarle Hammen Knudsen
The "Weekend travel information" email says the reason for the Circle
suspension is to test new signalling. Will the Hammersmith & City line
trains run with the new signalling then?
They're exactly the same trains, so, no, not with passengers on board.
My guess is that the signalling test is on a part of the Circle line
that's closed this long Easter weekend.
Yes - but as pointed out there is no part of the Circle Line that is
closed that isn't shared with the Hammersmith and City line which is open.
So does that mean the Circle Line is actually a circle line this weekend?
Looks that way... the journey planner says that Aldgate to Bayswater is
direct Circle Line via Barbican. If I ask it for the same journey next
Wednesday it gives the same route but includes the change at Edgware Road.
Jarle Hammen Knudsen
2017-04-14 15:40:09 UTC
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On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 13:53:28 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
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Yes - but as pointed out there is no part of the Circle Line that is
closed that isn't shared with the Hammersmith and City line which is open.
So does that mean the Circle Line is actually a circle line this weekend?
From the Weekend travel information email: " A circular service will
operate Edgware Road – Aldgate – Edgware Road. "
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jhk
Recliner
2017-04-14 16:18:03 UTC
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On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 13:53:28 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
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Yes - but as pointed out there is no part of the Circle Line that is
closed that isn't shared with the Hammersmith and City line which is open.
So does that mean the Circle Line is actually a circle line this weekend?
From the Weekend travel information email: " A circular service will
operate Edgware Road – Aldgate – Edgware Road. "
I wonder if the new signalling is actually being tested on the closed
eastern section of the H&C and District lines, between Aldgate East and
West Ham?
Steve Fitzgerald
2017-04-16 15:32:53 UTC
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HAMMERSMITH & CITY LINE: Good Friday 14, Saturday 15, Sunday 16 and
Easter Monday 17 April, no service between Liverpool Street and
Barking. Trains will operate between Hammersmith and Aldgate.
Why is the Circle suspended, but not the Hammersmith & City? Don't
they share tracks?
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jhk
Well, as a guess, I'd say that as there is no service
between Liverpool Street and Barking, Hammersmith & City
Line trains will fill out the schedule to Hammersmith so
there will be no need and no requirement for Circle Line
trains to provide the same service.
to
The "Weekend travel information" email says the reason for the Circle
suspension is to test new signalling. Will the Hammersmith & City line
trains run with the new signalling then?
They are running a circular Circle this weekend and a Hammersmith -
Aldgate service; called Circle line on the trains as the H&C doesn't go
to Aldgate!

The main work is Crossrail work at Whitechapel.
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Recliner
2017-04-16 15:52:13 UTC
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HAMMERSMITH & CITY LINE: Good Friday 14, Saturday 15, Sunday 16 and
Easter Monday 17 April, no service between Liverpool Street and
Barking. Trains will operate between Hammersmith and Aldgate.
Why is the Circle suspended, but not the Hammersmith & City? Don't
they share tracks?
--
jhk
Well, as a guess, I'd say that as there is no service
between Liverpool Street and Barking, Hammersmith & City
Line trains will fill out the schedule to Hammersmith so
there will be no need and no requirement for Circle Line
trains to provide the same service.
to
The "Weekend travel information" email says the reason for the Circle
suspension is to test new signalling. Will the Hammersmith & City line
trains run with the new signalling then?
They are running a circular Circle this weekend and a Hammersmith -
Aldgate service; called Circle line on the trains as the H&C doesn't go
to Aldgate!
So, in the clockwise (outer rail) direction, there are two separate Circle
line services! But separate Circle and H&C services in the anti-clock.
Post by Steve Fitzgerald
The main work is Crossrail work at Whitechapel.
Yes, that makes sense.
Someone Somewhere
2017-04-18 07:03:38 UTC
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The main work is Crossrail work at Whitechapel.
Again? How many closures are they planning to have for that?

Actually, a better way to put it would be - how many closures did they
originally plan for and how many are they actually going to have, on
both the sub-surface and Overground lines?
Recliner
2017-04-18 11:40:13 UTC
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On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 08:03:38 +0100, Someone Somewhere
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The main work is Crossrail work at Whitechapel.
Again? How many closures are they planning to have for that?
Actually, a better way to put it would be - how many closures did they
originally plan for and how many are they actually going to have, on
both the sub-surface and Overground lines?
It's been, in effect, a complete station rebuild, with the SSR tracks
moved, and all-new buildings. I imagine they always knew it would take
a lot of line closures.
Someone Somewhere
2017-04-19 08:22:26 UTC
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On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 08:03:38 +0100, Someone Somewhere
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The main work is Crossrail work at Whitechapel.
Again? How many closures are they planning to have for that?
Actually, a better way to put it would be - how many closures did they
originally plan for and how many are they actually going to have, on
both the sub-surface and Overground lines?
It's been, in effect, a complete station rebuild, with the SSR tracks
moved, and all-new buildings. I imagine they always knew it would take
a lot of line closures.
Apparently not - they have allegedly asked for a lot more than they
originally planned because they got behind and several of them certainly
seem to be at short notice (ie advertised a week or so in advance rather
than months).
Recliner
2017-04-20 09:24:35 UTC
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CIRCLE LINE: Good Friday 14, Saturday 15, Sunday 16 and Easter Monday
17 April, no service between Hammersmith and Edgware Road.
HAMMERSMITH & CITY LINE: Good Friday 14, Saturday 15, Sunday 16 and
Easter Monday 17 April, no service between Liverpool Street and
Barking. Trains will operate between Hammersmith and Aldgate.
Why is the Circle suspended, but not the Hammersmith & City? Don't
they share tracks?
--
jhk
Well, as a guess, I'd say that as there is no service
between Liverpool Street and Barking, Hammersmith & City
Line trains will fill out the schedule to Hammersmith so
there will be no need and no requirement for Circle Line
trains to provide the same service.
to
The "Weekend travel information" email says the reason for the Circle
suspension is to test new signalling. Will the Hammersmith & City line
trains run with the new signalling then?
I've just received this week's email, and it sounds like they'll actually
be doing the signal testing this weekend, not last:

"Trains will not run between Edgware Road and Hammersmith. This is to allow
us to test new signalling and replace track at Latimer Road. "

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